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Now that we have PSNow, no need for a PS3 emulator?
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shouamabane
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I really hope we get PS/PS2/PSP/PS3/Vita games that run locally on PS4. There's no way my internet connection is fast enough for PS Now.
Really, this is one of the areas we're much better equipped to make these sorts of preliminary judgements on. Not that they can't improve things by release and afterwards, but at a minimum it pretty much is a guarantee that for very, VERY timing reliant games it just won't cut it, at all. Not unless they discover MAGIC in which case why not just make me an awesome all in one box that can run everything ever? Or retroactively implement perfect BC into the PS4, same difference from Sony's vantage point.
Only way that'll happen for PS3 games is if each game was rebuilt specifically for the PS4... which would actually be kind of awesome given that'd mean higher resolutions and higher/smoother FPS even when they pull a Dark Souls PC on us, but no one are you getting that to happen to more than a small pool of games and upcoming releases developed with PS4 releases in mind. Nevermind that some probably threw out their old stuff, like SE probably already did with FFXIII.
Maybe but I'd expect many PS3 games will shoot up in price when everyone realises PSNow is shit and everyone rushes out to rebuy their fave games.
never make any educated guesses ever. speculation is inherently bad.
Emulation will always be needed because of this
Good luck playing anything with precision on PS Now. It's gonna be hoooooorrible for action games, FPS, rhythm games, etc.
Perfect. Case closed.
famousmortimer
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BrokenEchelon
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What If I want to play games I own without paying a monthly subscription service to do so?
I assume you'd play them using whatever method you currently use.
DrROBschiz
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Seriously
You guys need to temper your expectations for cloud gaming
Its great to have the option and will give us some great versatility with more hardware.
Otherwise you have a mountain of potential issues.... many of which are beyond Sonys control and influence.
You guys need to temper your expectations for cloud gaming
Its great to have the option and will give us some great versatility with more hardware.
Otherwise you have a mountain of potential issues.... many of which are beyond Sonys control and influence.
I bet it'll be much better for ppl working odd hours, with how my net connection can drop during peak hours lol no.
Jimmyfenix
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Build yourself a PS3 emulator!
Portugeezer
Member
It's not like PS3 emulation will happen any time soon. Dat cell.
Depends on the games, probably. It may simply be that demand falls because they're older, and the games aren't really all that hard to find. Takes awhile I imagine to really get up there again like NES and SNES games.
And depending on whether you actively subscribe and get everything (like Netflix) or have to rebuy games will determine if this is dead in the water or not. If they want us to buy streaming versions without at least offering a heavy discount, well, fuck them. Bring us PS1/PS2 emulators and get that PS3 as cheap as possible without turning it into a fragile piece of crap. I've argued before that these would be best as a supplemental service, and HAVING to buy streaming-only versions is one of the reasons I barely gave a damn about Onlive to begin with.
Chuck Norris
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When have you ever owned games on a rental service?
Chance Hale
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How will PSNow work for games with performance issues? Last of Us will still run at 25 FPS often but with added compression issues?
Baleoce
Member
Yup.
I hope they do both, sub and "buy" otherwise I shudder to think how subs would influence game design, too many games are full of filler and have treadmills as it is.
Neff
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PS3 is extremely unlikely outside of reverse-engineered ground-up remade ports (and I do think there will be plenty of those), but you can expect the others to some degree because selling legacy titles is still profitable for Sony and PSNow is going to be wholly unsatisfactory for a majority of those who try it.
Where is this video from? Is that a video of PSNow?Emulation will always be needed because of this
Good luck playing anything with precision on PS Now. It's gonna be hoooooorrible for action games, FPS, rhythm games, etc.
The Spoony Hou
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Assuming this PSNow thing is cloud gaming, it's shit. Sony better start working on those emulators.
Emulation will always be needed because of this
Good luck playing anything with precision on PS Now. It's gonna be hoooooorrible for action games, FPS, rhythm games, etc.
Input lag is a problem, but not as big as this, if we take the remote play on PS4/Vita. Its playable.
Emulating PS3 games needs incredibly beefy hardware. PS4/Xbone cant simply emulate them. Cluod gaming is the best we could get.
It's slowed down, that was obvious to me since it looked like a video in slow motion. But it still looks too big for me, at least for any game where reflexes are a primary concern.
Sure it does.
Some games DO have heavy input lag admittedly. It's why people feel Killzone 2 feels "heavy" for instance.
Of course the problem there is that a game like that may've been designed around it, and I doubt most people will switch to a low input lag TV to compensate, though given Sony's are the best on the market currently for that they probably would want exactly that.
The Spoony Hou
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I know that. It's not my fault Sony has now to rely on emulation, is it? How much computing power we need is their problem, not mine.
Noisepurge
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Emulation will always be needed because of this
Good luck playing anything with precision on PS Now. It's gonna be hoooooorrible for action games, FPS, rhythm games, etc.
Remote Play on the PS4 already works much better than this. You can play Resogun and Battlefield 4 on the Vita just fine. The only downside so far is the 30fps limit.
Ehh not quite. They're playable, but by no means are they devoid of input lag. Resogun in particular has some minor lag thanks to the combination the framerate being halved and the Vita's analog sticks being inferior to the Dualshock 4.
I feel like that'll be the best case scenario for PlaystationNow: Acceptable for casual play, but by no means acceptable for anything serious.
Threw it out? I wouldn't count on it, tons of that content went into the recycle.
I remember someone posted a chart of how emulating software relates to power but if I had to guess its around 10 times the power of the PS4, so emulating PS3 games on PC would take around 5 years from now, when strong enough hardware is available.
The Spoony Hou
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That's cute, but I don't see why that means we don't need a PS3 emulator. Well, maybe you don't, but I'd love one.
I sure would love one, but even with a decent PC right now, emulating PS2 games is a pain in the ass. Its pretty hard to get a proper gaming experience with many games, same goes with cube and xbox games.
Sentenza
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Just because you have no clue, it doesn't mean that applies to everyone else.
A lot of people on the PC end have already a lot of familiarity with streaming services for gaming. They've been around for a while now.
So forgive us if we don't buy so easily into some brand-loyalty-dictated hype.
The Spoony Hou
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I wish I knew what your point is. Cloud gaming is crap, Sony should've made the PS4 BC with PS2 and PS3. Since they fucked up, their only option now is emulation.
So, if you love stating how unfeasable PS3 emulation is right now, you should go annoy Sony about it.
The problem is, that I would have done the same as Sony did with PS4. PS3 was such an exotic hardware with its unique CPU and GPU that it was impossible to get emulation on board now. The only solution would have been including the CELL and RSX inside the PS4, but that would have cost another 150$ extra, so this is out of the question. They wanted the 399$ pirce point at cut everything that wasnt necessary. Pure emulation with raw power is also impossible right now and cloud gaming is the only option atm. Sony shows, that they want to bring the PS3 libary to the PS4 and we will see how the input lag really turns out. They wouldnt be doing it if it was something unplayable.
Femmeworth
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I imagine Sony had their top software team look into a PS3 emulator on the PS4 and probably got a giant "Not going to happen" written on the report.
The Spoony Hou
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I'm happy you trust Sony made the right decision, and you can cite all the money and architecture info you want, I don't care, that's not my problem.
I want a PS4 with BC, if Sony can't make one for whatever reason, that's their problem, I'm not their hardware designer. You can make excuses for them as much as you want. I'll just sit here and either wait for a BC PS4, or wait until the PS4 get cheaper and has games I want.
Breakfast at Noon
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Unknown One
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Or pay $600+ for a hypothetical PS4.
Fair enough. I see your point from a consumers view but in the end its something that got cut because BC really is a niche thing, something nice to have. I'm glad they focused on the PS4 soley and made it that good and its nice to see their effort to bring some sort of emulation to the table.
Metalmurphy
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All this is probably a mute point cause I don't think the PS3 will be emulated, ever.
Heh. That's highly unlikely.
First, he would have to be a code genius to get any coherant form of the PS3 OS out while using x86 architecture on the PC (or PS4).
Then, he would have to spend a shit tonne of money on hardware. We're talking small supercomputer levels here. Definitely orders of magnitude more powerful than the gaming PCs the richest and most hardcore of us can afford.
PSNow is simply the most cost-efficient method Sony can provide for us now. They chose x86 architecture for better and easier porting, sacrificing backwards compatibility. So take it or leave it.
Or, you could, you know, spend 200 bucks on a PS3.
samurai1226
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guess you have to pay for psnow to play games you maybe already bought. so i would prefer a good emulator with resolution+aa increases.
It would reduce lag, but streaming from some powerful hardware graphics could easily be improved too.
Sony could offer complete render farms to wealthy customers and deliver fully raytraced PS3 games to them (just in theory).