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[IrishNinja]

ehhh that gif is troubling. i deal with a few frames between my plasma & upscaler for most games and i'm okay with twitchy SHMUPs, rhythm games etc but even playing Um Jammer Lammy's disc on my PS3 = absolutely broken for me, it's kind've a fine line and if this crosses it, it's not gonna be an acceptable solution/option at all

Now I know after all your posts that this is a joke. The WiiU tablet is not great tech at all.

in regards to latency (the topic at hand) it very much is, which was the point there.

 

[Freeman]

Emulation will always be needed because of this

Good luck playing anything with precision on PS Now. It's gonna be hoooooorrible for action games, FPS, rhythm games, etc.

Slowing it down makes it look much worse than it should.

There will always be people complaining, its a reasonable solution. Everyone has the option to keep the PS3 if they can't handle inferior image and added input lag (most people just wan't to play a game).

I just hope that this doesn't mean there wont be PS1 and PS2 running directly on PS4, PS1 games specially makes no sense to be streamed since my toaster can emulate it, just release an official emulator for each platform (like it was done with the PS3, PSP and Vita), I don't know why PSN Mobile doesn't offer PS1 games yet(or does it).

Pricing must be reasonable as well.

 

[Lana Del Rey]

As I said, perhaps not well enough, but I've streamed over wifi away from the house with good reaction times.

Still probably with a relatively close distance though, no? Probably closer than the sony data centers.

 

[Dragon]

in regards to latency (the topic at hand) it very much is, which was the point there.

It's an inane comparison. It's not receiving data from the net, if it was, it would have the same exact problems.

 

[Noema]

Oh so you've played PSNow already?

Just stop, until we know what it's like.

But similar services, such as OnLive, already exist, and they can give us a pretty good idea of what PSNow will be like.

Sony can't change the laws of physics and the way Internet Topology works. There'll be latency, and there's no way around it. The farther away you are from the server, and the more hoops you have to make to connect to that server, the higher the latency.

All the bandwidth in the world and all the servers in the world can't fix that.

This is not to say that PSNow will be horrible; some games will work better than others (RPGs, strategy, etc), but good luck playing that requires good reactions and timing.

Don't get me wrong; I love that PSNow exists, specially if they gradually add PS1 and PS2 games that are playable a la carte with a PS+ membership. We just need to be realistic and temper our expectations.

 

[Matriox]

Still probably with a relatively close distance though, no? Probably closer than the sony data centers.

This is true. About ~200 miles away but yeah, Sony would be farther.

 

[RPG_Fanatic]

• Not all games will be available.
• Highly likely that games will need to be re-licensed
• Sony controls everything
• Internet required at all time
• Costs money
• lag

Emulators will be needed for a long time.

And the above reasons are why PSNow doesn't interest me.

 

[Freeman]

But similar services, such as OnLive, already exist, and they can give us a pretty good idea of what PSNow will be like.

Sony can't change the laws of physics and the way Internet Topology works. There'll be latency, and there's no way around it. The farther away you are from the server, and the more hoops you have to make to connect to that server, the higher the latency.

All the bandwidth in the world and all the servers in the world can't fix that.

This is not to say that PSNow will be horrible; some games will work better than others (RPGs, strategy, etc), but good luck playing that requires good reactions and timing.

Don't get me wrong; I love that PSNow exists, specially if they gradually add PS1 and PS2 games that are playable a la carte with a PS+ membership. We just need to be realistic and temper our expectations.

That's true. But sometimes, for some people, its all about being able to play a game. I remember when I use to get 400+ ms while playing WoW back in the day, sucked ass, but it was my only alternative.

Sony has a good catalog of games that are less sensitive to input lag (story driven games, slower games, etc). I would gift TLoU, Uncharted, Journey, etc for so many people if they could just play it out of their TV or smartphone.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Slowing it down makes it look much worse than it should.

Not really.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

Absolutely not.

Emulation is far better than streaming for obvious reasons.

The reason we have PSNow instead of PS3 BC on PS4 is due to technical reasons, not because it's superior. Eventually, an emulator will be feasible, will be a superior solution, and retro or dedicated gamers will appreciate that.

Not dissing PSNow, as it's the best they could do without including additional hardware and it even has some pros (PS titles anywhere, anytime), but good emulation > lag and compression any day of the week. Even if they improve the compression with time, as well as the whole service, it will still have more lag than the actual system or an emulator no matter what.

 

[Phades]

But when will then, be now?

Soon (tm).

 

[Cheech]

And I kept my PS3 for this reason – but those will eventually go away. Probably around the time the network improvements make it moot .

Dude, you can go buy any console you want off eBay for dirt cheap. I bought a refurbished NES a couple years ago for like $25.

As they are still making PS3s and will be for at least a couple more years, there really is no reason for BC. Personally, the only game I can see myself wanting to replay is TLOU, which I'm sure will work well enough on PS Now.

It's annoying to have thousands of consoles under your TV, it kinda kills the point of console which is to be easy to use and not cumbersome.

If you're playing enough PS3 games where you would be using BC often, keeping a PS3 plugged in is really not a tall order. If you're only playing the odd game, keep it in a closet and swap it out with your PS4, a process would takes a minute, tops.

Either way, people getting bent out of shape about BC has always been alien to me. I currently game on PC and PS4, and I don't have nearly enough time to play all the stuff I do have, let alone old shit I already played years ago on PS3.

 

[Zee-Row]

How long do you think it will take before PS3 emulators on PC become a thing?

 

[Kibbles]

I've played onlive. Streaming games suck, I want the most precise controls and clearest graphics.

 

[Badgerst3]

I've played onlive. Streaming games suck, I want the most precise controls and clearest graphics.

Well there goes my hope for dark souls 2 on my ps4.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Input lag over streaming looks exactly like the gif depicts it. On platformers you need to stop moving well before a ledge if you want to stop at the ledge. If you're jumping from small platform to small platform, you need to release movement before you hit the platform otherwise the game will register you as still wanting to move after you land. Without the lag you can release movement as you hit the platform. But with lag you'll run off it if you do the same thing.

I know this from having used onlive and even gaikai in the past.

 

[DeaviL]

Keep using that gif in slow mo that doesn't represent the real input lag. *claps*

edit: http://instagram.com/p/i4c7TvhqvB/# REAL input lag

That's lag on a server down the hall, have fun playing the same game on a server a city or 2 away.

 

[satam55]

Why is this thread running for 5 pages? Do folks not understand the concept that their is NOT a high-end CPU currently on the market (or coming out anytime in the next several+ years, if ever.) that is powerful enough to play PS3 (or Xbox 360) games via software emulation, let alone the weak low-powered tablet/laptop CPUs in the PS4/Xbox1.

The ONLY possible way to play PS3 games on the PS4 is via streaming. There's nothing to discuss (unless you wanna talk about a PS1 or PS2 emulator).

 

[4lejandro]

Having a ps1 and ps2 emulator on board and just streaming the game content for temporary use, for these games would be great, the only real problem would be with ps3 games, I remember reading about some patents or something related to PS2 emulation (on the cell heh) a while ago, and of course I've no tech knowledge and I am talking out of my ass... for ps4.

For tablets, phones and tv's of course it would be 100% streaming...

I don't think I would use it much but what the hell.

 

[rokkerkory]

I think this is good progress but obviously have some ways to go. Next-next-gen is where this will be hot I think.

At least MS/Sony laying foundation now.

 

[turnbuckle]

Remote Play on the PS4 already works much better than this. You can play Resogun and Battlefield 4 on the Vita just fine. The only downside so far is the 30fps limit.

Oh, I've played Resogun on my Vita but it was more of a novelty than something I'd use if I were really playing for a high score. It's not a substitute for me to playing straight from the console, and I cannot see how the PSNow streaming would be even as good as streaming from a device that's right in your house. If anything, I'd expect it to be slightly to quite noticeably worse.

I hope I'm wrong, but I believed the hype on the PSVita streaming from PS4 and it's been disappointing so far for me. To the point where I wonder if people saying that it's good just don't notice the difference quite so much, a la people who think sub 60 FPS or sub HD resolution isn't too noticeable.

It would be impossible to play something like MLB the Show on this. Input lag alone is an issue trying to get as close to no lag as possible, throwing on an additional layer streaming latency would all but kill the ability to time pitches.

 

[turnbuckle]

It's not a choice between streaming and emulation.

It's a choice between streaming and FUCKING NOTHING.

I'll take the streaming.

Streaming or playing games on their native systems? With a PC+PS3+Vita you can pretty much play any game from the entire Playstation library.

The thought of playing Street Fighter III or Wipeout HD streamed is awful.

quote=elite09]Keep using that gif in slow mo that doesn't represent the real input lag. *claps*

edit: http://instagram.com/p/i4c7TvhqvB/# REAL input lag[/quote]

That's a pretty big difference. This looks totally playable.

I think it looks worse in the video.

 

[Sol1dus]

I wonder if games like MAG will return? It's completely shit down but couldn't it work now though streaming? Probably not since idk what I'm talking about

 

[qa_engineer]

I don't think mag will make a return.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Now I know after all your posts that this is a joke. The WiiU tablet is not great tech at all.

I really can't comment on the tech behind it because I don't know how it works, all I can say is it feels wonderful, at least for a touchscreen. And I'm sure Nintendo would make the WiiU cheaper if they could, because their strategy has always been to make affordable consoles.

All I'm saying is the tech works: it's a gaming touchscreen that's ideal for gameplay. If you think it's an useless addition, or it's too bulky or whatever, that's fine, it's just not what I'm arguing.

It's an inane comparison. It's not receiving data from the net, if it was, it would have the same exact problems.

First, Nintendo wouldn't waste their time with cloud gaming. Second, the point is that people seem to have trouble seeing latency issues, local or online based. If you feel that was too off-topic, report to a mod and see what he says.