NPD Sales Results for August 2015 [PS4 #1 HW/SW, 7M Amiibos LTD, 600K LTD Splatoon]

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The PS4 sold thanks Batman: Arkham Knight bundle 366,000 unit this June, with only 2 weeks of sales.

in September PS4 has for an entire month Metal Gear Solid V ( and doesn't matter the bundle, it will still sell a lot of PS4 ), and 3 weeks of Destiny bundle. But it has even FIFA, NHL, Mad Max, those are small release, but will still sell some console.

September seem waaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than June, so, 300-350k is definitive too low.



Destiny bundle sold 300,000 last year... even if this time TTK bundle will sell 1/4, it will sell 75,000, and that's still a lot. And there is Metal Gear.
I don't say PS4 will sell like last year, but i'm pretty sure PS4 will sell more than in June.
Preordes for Destiny TKK PS4 bundle are damn high trough whole August ( at least on Amazon ). So, i expect huge PS4 numbers in next NPD.
 

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I expect 400k min. Anyway, it's really odd for me that MS didn't offered a "MGS V for free if you buy Xbone" deal just for one week ( like last year with Destiny ).
they only do that when sony does a bundle

sony did a destiny bundle, ms did that deal

sony did a arkham knight bundle, ms did that deal

sony didn't do a mgsv bundle, ms didn't do that deal
 

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The numbers are illustrative only, my point seems to have entirely gone over your head.
Next time just use a more generic unit, like bananas.

Make it like a high school maths problem. Ya know, "If Microsoft has 10 bananas and gives 5 to Square Enix but Sony only offers 3 then which offer should they take?"

Something like that.
 

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Sorry, I missed this bit.
Also, if what you were saying was true about hardware and software, then we'd see a consistent percentage increase in hardware sales to go along with the decrease in software sales. But we aren't.
Is that not the case? I'll admit I haven't paid attention closely — or lately — but when Sony and MS launched, it seemed like YoY software spending dropped, but YoY hardware spending climbed by as much or more, to make overall YoY spending flat to up-a-bit. Has that not been holding true since then?


The numbers are illustrative only, my point seems to have entirely gone over your head.
I understood your point perfectly. It was to confuse people with an irrelevant hypothetical in furtherance of your efforts to make Sony's lead seem less significant than it really is. As I said, your point doesn't really hold water if you use the actual market conditions we have today, so why bring it up at all, apart from muddying the waters?


Next time just use a more generic unit, like bananas.

Make it like a high school maths problem. Ya know, "If Microsoft has 10 bananas and gives 5 to Square Enix but Sony only offers 3 then which offer should they take?"

Something like that.
Of course, it's more complicated than that. Sony control 70% of the software market while MS control only 30%. If 10% of users on the delayed platform don't buy your DLC because they're butthurt about having to wait for it, you'll lose 7% of your total sales by delaying on PlayStation, but only 3% if you delay on XBox. That means MS need to open the bidding with a cash offer equal to 4% of your projected DLC revenue just to get back to even with whatever Sony is offering. Then you need to factor in simply delaying 70% of your DLC revenue for a month versus delaying only 30% of it. What if your DLC kinda sucks, and by the time it finally releases to the audience that's ~2.5x larger, they all know not to buy it at all?

All else being equal, PlayStation will be the default choice of console developers, because that's where the money is. Yes, MS could offset that with some cash, but that becomes harder to do as Sony's lead increases further. Of course, you know all of this stuff, so I'm not sure why you've decided to hitch your wagon to this particular horse.
 

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Fair enough. Sorry, it seemed like you were joining in John's effort to use a personal attack to distract attention from my criticisms of his argument/hypothetical/distraction.
Na, I don't resort to personal attacks.

End of the day what you're saying is true, console war was over the moment Sony launched the PS4. Microsoft can't catch up at all in terms of unit shipments or software sales.

But what John is saying is more in relation to multi plats having marketing with one platform. What he said makes sense and it's the reason you see Xbox have marketing deals with big and small games despite having a smaller market share.
 

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Na, I don't resort to personal attacks.

End of the day what you're saying is true, console war was over the moment Sony launched the PS4. Microsoft can't catch up at all in terms of unit shipments or software sales.

But what John is saying is more in relation to multi plats having marketing with one platform. What he said makes sense and it's the reason you see Xbox have marketing deals with big and small games despite having a smaller market share.
Yup.
It's amusing when people try to make it seem like there's some bias in my sentiment, like I'm not just giving some insight into how things actually work in the real world ::shrug::

It's why I post less in these threads lately, since my words get turned into fuel for one personal argument or another
 

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Yup.
It's amusing when people try to make it seem like there's some bias in my sentiment, like I'm not just giving some insight into how things actually work in the real world ::shrug::
I get you. I've been accused of being bias before when there is nothing that would suggest that.

For what it's worth I appreciate the posts you make and would love to read more about the insight you have into the industry.

It's why I post less in these threads lately, since my words get turned into fuel for one personal argument or another
DID YOU JUST INSULT ME!!!!!!! WTF JOHN!

Just kidding :)


You've seen The Hidden Fortress though right?
No? What's that?
 

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I know Amazon rankings lol, but check them out for September. PS4 is at #18 while XB1 is at #65.

September isn't over, but I expect a significant gap for September. I would say 100k.

MGSV probably sold PS4's, (MGSV PS4 at #8, while XB1 version at #58)
 

ZhugeEX

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I know Amazon rankings lol, but check them out for September. PS4 is at #18 while XB1 is at #65.

September isn't over, but I expect a significant gap for September. I would say 100k.

MGSV probably sold PS4's, (MGSV PS4 at #8, while XB1 version at #58)
Check them out for August
 

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serversurfer, you're arguing about market share/cash again? Why do you even bother. We have someone directly from Sony saying PS4's sales are a big part on why they have all those exclusive 3rd party deals. People want to twist and bend the truth to make it seem like that's not that case, let them.

I'm sure MS decided this generation to give up those partnerships that worked for them last generation because they were in a good mood. And they all went with Sony because they always had more money available.
 

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An Akira Kuraosawa movie (director of Seven Samurai, Rashomon, Kagemusha, Ran etc.)

The first Star Wars film is basically a rework of The Hidden Fortress.

I hope you've at least seen Seven Samurai (and if not I'd remedy that immediately).
 

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I know Amazon rankings lol, but check them out for September. PS4 is at #18 while XB1 is at #65.

September isn't over, but I expect a significant gap for September. I would say 100k.

MGSV probably sold PS4's, (MGSV PS4 at #8, while XB1 version at #58)
Right now PS4 Battlefront SE is at #15 beating PS4 Destiny LE at #18 and it's only been available for pre-order for 3 days.

I'm definitely seeing PS4 winning NPD November now, since it also has the Walmart SE and the regular bundle. This and also whatever they do with Black Ops 3 in November.
 

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I know Amazon rankings lol, but check them out for September. PS4 is at #18 while XB1 is at #65.

September isn't over, but I expect a significant gap for September. I would say 100k.

MGSV probably sold PS4's, (MGSV PS4 at #8, while XB1 version at #58)
Amazon monthly rankings are never an accurate indication of the gap between the two. Just like Zhuge said, look at August's Amazon charts. The difference between the two in the charts is quite significant, yet we ended up with only 7K difference in sales. You can say that this is because Best Buy was offering the TV deal, which really boosted sales of the XB1 and many people bought it from BB instead of Amazon, but at the end of the day, you shouldn't rely on the charts for accurate info.

Right now PS4 Battlefront SE is at #15 beating PS4 Destiny LE at #18 and it's only been available for pre-order for 3 days.

I'm definitely seeing PS4 winning NPD November now, since it also has the Walmart SE and the regular bundle. This and also whatever they do with Black Ops 3 in November.
Agreed. If pre orders are doing this well 3 months from the release of Episode 7, can you imagine the hype in November? Also, Sony will likely announce a price drop, which will boost sales even further.
I still expect one, Cosmic :p
 
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No, I still think a price drop is coming. Just trying to point out that the PS4 will easily surpass 30 million with or without one.
This. I'll be surprised if we don't get at least a temporary price drop for the holiday season. I also think PS4 will easily surpass 30 million regardless.
 

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Right now PS4 Battlefront SE is at #15 beating PS4 Destiny LE at #18 and it's only been available for pre-order for 3 days.

I'm definitely seeing PS4 winning NPD November now, since it also has the Walmart SE and the regular bundle. This and also whatever they do with Black Ops 3 in November.
It's too early to predict november since we don't know yet prices and Xbox One bundles.
 

Javin98

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This. I'll be surprised if we don't get at least a temporary price drop for the holiday season. I also think PS4 will easily surpass 30 million regardless.
Well, a temporary price drop is a bad idea IMO. Early this year, XB1 sales tanked in January because Microsoft raised the price back to $399, only to have to drop it back down to $349 in a few weeks. It would be much wiser to permanently drop the price of the PS4, to $299 for a bigger increase in sales. But the way things are going right now, it seems like $349 is more likely. And like I said earlier in this thread, I'm predicting 35 million sold through.
 

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Amazon monthly rankings are never an accurate indication of the gap between the two. Just like Zhuge said, look at August's Amazon charts. The difference between the two in the charts is quite significant, yet we ended up with only 7K difference in sales. You can say that this is because Best Buy was offering the TV deal, which really boosted sales of the XB1 and many people bought it from BB instead of Amazon, but at the end of the day, you shouldn't rely on the charts for accurate info.


Agreed. If pre orders are doing this well 3 months from the release of Episode 7, can you imagine the hype in November? Also, Sony will likely announce a price drop, which will boost sales even further.
I still expect one, Cosmic :p
Um, pretty sure the 7-10k sales comment was a jest. Search November 2014 NPD thread for details. Hint: rhymes with gboat.
 

Javin98

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Um, pretty sure the 7-10k sales comment was a jest. Search November 2014 NPD thread for details. Hint: rhymes with gboat.
No, it's a actually the gap this month. No joke.

To clarify, I meant 35 million by the end of 2015. Yeah, it may be overly optimistic, but Zhuge predicts 36 million shipped by the end of 2015, so 35 million sold through doesn't seem too much of a stretch IMO. What are your predictions?

I don't think so. I predict 35,500,000 shipped and 33,500,000 sold.
Yeah, your prediction may seem more realistic as of now. But I'm predicting a price drop and some really aggressive bundles from Sony this holiday season. Also, I doubt they would have 2 million units sitting in retail. This holiday season will be massive and I think we may even have some minor stock shortages.