Aquamarine
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3D World is indeed tracking behind Sunshine.
Super Mario Sunshine (Aug. 2002 - Feb. 2003, 7 months of tracking): 1.04 million
Super Mario 3D World (Nov. 2013 - May 2014, 7 months of tracking): ~770K
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NPD Sales Results for May 2014 [Up1: Wii U Hardware]
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3D World is indeed tracking behind Sunshine.
Super Mario Sunshine (Aug. 2002 - Feb. 2003, 7 months of tracking): 1.04 million
Super Mario 3D World (Nov. 2013 - May 2014, 7 months of tracking): ~770K
SwiftDeath
Member
Hmm I'm always curious on the epic battle of TW101 and Tearaway myself
Although I imagine with the Vita's performance, that's pretty one-sided by now
Although I imagine with the Vita's performance, that's pretty one-sided by now
pieatorium
Member
Most big pubs do have a stake there, some of them a growing stake. Just because king and gungho are the big winners doesn't mean EA and Square etc aren't there.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Well W101 had kind of "run away" with that a while back in all honesty. Wasn't it like 74K (W101) vs. 49K (Tearaway) with the last #s we got? Maybe the Vita sales this month added a tremendous 5K to Tearaway sales?
SwiftDeath
Member
You're probably right. I don't keep track of SW sales so well and tend to forget LTD's
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Well MK8 just took the #1 spot for a game (I don't count Thief Gold's sales when it was free) on Amazon's best sellers of 2014. Just passed Titanfall on the XB1 and has taken #9 overall. That was pretty fast o.o.
3D World also has been climbing that charts a lot lately. Just went from #72 (below Watch Dogs XB1) to #67 in like a day or two? o.o
3D World also has been climbing that charts a lot lately. Just went from #72 (below Watch Dogs XB1) to #67 in like a day or two? o.o
the point was they may have had a big stake in those 500m units, where they don't in this relatively new and far different landscape. i'm saying it's a significant loss.
Aquamarine
Member
You have them mixed up a bit.
Here are the numbers we have:
The Wonderful 101
Sep. 2013 - <20K LTD but very close to 20K (launch)
Dec. 2013 - 49K LTD
Feb. 2014 - 65K LTD
Apr. 2014 - 74K LTD
Tearaway
Nov. 2013 - 14K (launch)
Dec. 2013 - 50K LTD
Jan. 2014 - <3.3K
Feb. 2014 - 56K LTD
SwiftDeath
Member
Ah that's more like it
boredandlazy
Member
Happy to admit I was one of those...
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Ah ok. I guess I was wrong then. If I keep spouting out wrong things can I be rewarded with LTDs?
@Aqua Lego City Undercover sold 500K so far in the US =P. Also I think a better nickname (at least compared to one related to your avatar) could be "Sales sister". Just put it to the Soul Sister tune =).
It's not all bad. At least in did better than in Japan where it only sold 4k.
1st Course
Member
Nintendo don't give breakdown for software sales. What is the source for this 500m 3rd party sales figure?
SwiftDeath
Member
Only thing I can think of is the big IGN's Nintendo sales number article
The total 1st Party sales given is ~271M. So depending on what massive-selling 1st Party titles are not included on that list 3rd party sales could be closer to 600M? 500M seems reasonable though
pieatorium
Member
edit wth that chart is weird who list things not in sales order
SwiftDeath
Member
Isn't already on that list though? And where is the 80M from for that?
speculawyer
Member
I don't wanna be a dick . . . but perhaps the OP could be updated?
Or have there been some summaries of the new hard data?
Or have there been some summaries of the new hard data?
pieatorium
Member
yeah i just saw the top 3 and assumed it was in sales order
weird question, but do you have viewtiful joe's numbers?
SwiftDeath
Member
OP is up to date with all officially acquired information I'm pretty sure
There is another summary of other information though
It's IGN so go figure
Aquamarine
Member
All of the hardware numbers this month except for Wii U came from leaks.
The OP can only contain official, verified numbers from websites / journalists.
But I can assure you, that doesn't make the leaks any less credible. You just have to hunt for them instead of reading only the first post of the thread.
yeah, sales exploded after the release of big games, both expected and unexpected (hello gta iii). i don't think that demonstrates that first year on the market where it had no software going for it, and you seem to be applying recent market trends to explain a console's success from 14 years ago. context is important.
well i wasn't arguing that. i was arguing that there are comparisons to be made between the ps2's early success and the wii's early success. the sustained success of each stem from different factors.
well i do think the market that predominantly led the market on the ps2 is markedly different than anything that came since. the million sellers were found in sonic the hedgehog games, in jak and daxter games, in grand theft auto games, in metal gear solid, spongebob squarepants, final fantasy, splinter cell, guitar hero, socom, ace combat, eye toy, dragon quest, and tekken. the ps3's landscape was far less dynamic, and the ps4's looks to be ever more so.
speculawyer
Member
Thanks! Much appreciated.All of the hardware numbers this month except for Wii U came from leaks.
The OP can only contain official, verified numbers from websites / journalists.
But I can assure you, that doesn't make the leaks any less credible. You just have to hunt for them instead of reading only the first post of the thread.
Aquamarine
Member
GameCube:
102K first month.
~190K LTD at the end of 2003.
~300K LTD at the end of 2004.
Any year after that is trivial.
PS2:
9K first month.
66K LTD at the end of 2004.
~100K LTD at the end of 2005.
Hey Aquamarine, can we get LTD figures for Fire Emblem Awakening, and Zelda: A Link Between Worlds?
about 330k
SwiftDeath
Member
Wow I just realized that there is no logical ordering to that IGN 1st Party Sales chart
Not by name, release year or sales
Not by name, release year or sales
i recall something like 1.5 billion units.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Sort of related to this point, is that a group of consumers the Wii attracted that don't really fall into the 'casual' audience bracket but also don't fall into the 'hardcore' bracket are those userbases who drifted away from gaming because they werent being served anymore - I mean, the resurgence of 2D platformers in both the indie space and on the DS / Wii would include people from this group.
Mascot platformers were a dime a dozen in the 16bit days, and the genre was pretty comprehensively killed off with the transition to 3D games - I don't think the NSMB titles would have had anything like the success they had if they hadn't attracted some of the 'lapsed' audience.
You can also see this with the resurgence of other genres via things like kickstarter; point and click adventures, old school western style CRPGs, space exploration... these are genres publishers made a cost decision about at some point, and literally discarded entire games purchasing audiences for.
Market consolidation into a few genres is really harmful to overall industry health, because generally speaking people don't only buy titles in one genre, but if their favourite genre is no longer catered for don't stick around to play lesser favourites.
i got 355m for first-party games from here. there are more games that didn't hit 1m units but still would have added to the total, and probably additional units sold but not updated on that list (so only nintendo would know them). another question mark would be virtual console sales. i'm not sure if all of those things combine for another 40m, or exceed it or whatever, but i think 500m is a pretty safe estimate.
can you kindly give MLB 14(PS4) and MLB 14 (All Versions) LTD? or some range if possible.
shinra-bansho
Member
It seems to be based on software units shipped, so the big missing title is Wii Sports presumably.
I think while it's relatively impossible to verify, it's entirely plausible for people to be buying a system with poor current releases with a view towards future releases even (and perhaps especially) at launch. In doing so a game or two may suffice for now as a tipping point, someone may ostensibly be purchasing the PS4 for Knack but in reality they're getting it for all the games to come. Hardware purchases are after all a one-off cost of entry towards 5-7 years of functional use.
It may be as you say, that DVD was the tipping point I suppose, rather than whatever software was available at launch. I don't know if there's something to show that many people were buying it without any games, or primarily towards playing DVDs any more than there is to suggest that they could have been buying it for future software.
Meanwhile, would you agree that the overall software drivers and demographics that produced a successful Wii were quite different from that which traditionally drove the console space? And if so, wouldn't you agree that at times it is useful to take subsets of total information to get a better picture?
I can see less dynamism, sure. Publishers went after COD and GTA dollars, towards open worlds and shooting. But I don't think that necessarily implies a markedly different demographic make-up.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
I did not say it was good, what i am saying is it won´t have effect on pubs who don´t cater to Wii demographics. So lose of the Wii audience won´t effect pubs who cater to 15-35 year old crowds. Devs who make COD, BF, AC, GTA, won´t be effected since the audience is still there. Ubisoft might be effected because they lose a lot of Just Dance money. But i don´t see it effecting Ubi much in terms of business strategy and future projects.
SwiftDeath
Member
I guess the Wii had a ton of smaller 1st Party Nintendo games sell well that really add up then?
Wii Sports is on the list at 82M though
I remember that number too but thought it was like ages ago. Although I guess Sony lumping together all platforms makes it more difficult. They did that for SW too right?
for me, i can't really find any talk of the system and about the games it will have versus what the machine did and its power at the time. it also runs counter to how game consoles used to sell- really slowly without a system seller. in fact, this was the case until the ps4 and xbox one, where demand seems to be built on what you say, although i believe it's more that that audience has been trained to buy everything frontloaded after last gen. we'll have to see how the year plays out though.
i was never really arguing that point.
less kids, fewer casual players. probably fewer women to boot. they used to be responsible for software that moved on the ps2, and that changed when video game consoles and games became prohibitively expensive to them.
and like mr nyarlatothep said, if i do fit in the demographic, and my favorite genre is no longer being represented, i'm not going to suddenly want to try out that madden game everyone's talked up so much. i'm just going to try and find my favorite genre elsewhere, or i just won't play games i guess.
that is my personal assumption- it's where i'm drawing the 500m number from. it's really just an estimate, but i believe it's fairly close ((355m+missing million units) + third-party sales = 895m). it could be more than 40m unaccounted for, or it could be less. i would be surprised if there was say, another 100m units nintendo sold on the platform that's tucked away somewhere.
1st Course
Member
Fair enough. Wii had many smaller titles that didn''t make the charts, but I guess they add up a lot together
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh I didn't see it, strange table ordering.
Wouldn't this talk fall into the realm of the "buying for future potential"? At launch these current systems are being sold on a lot of gaming promise rather than current reality, as were the last gen systems I believe. Was it notably different back then with the PS2, my very imperfect memory may be failing me.
Depending on how you're defining casual players, I could agree of disagree - i.e. if you're referring to purchase habits rather than genre inclinations, the people who only buying a few games then I don't know whether that's changed dramatically, not sure if there's data to look at for this. I think the long cycle definitely delayed adoption on the HD consoles by other audiences last gen (i.e. pre-teens, children, family-oriented markets) but again I think these are more back-end of adoption curve buyers; I think it's too soon to see the degree these audiences have or haven't moved. The design of the current systems actually probably lends a lot better to cost reduction and eventual more family-friendly prices.
We also seem to be talking about different things with regard to demographics, where I'm referring to an age/gender segment and you're seemingly referring specifically to genre segments. The favourite genre of the teen gamer now is seemingly the GTA style open world game or the CoD style shooter. The genre of choice for teen gamers in days gone by was the likes of JRPGs or platformers depending on a given time period. The producers may ultimately still be catering to the same demographic's current tastes, while one may not fall into that demographic anymore.
I guess to look analogously what are 25-35 year olds watching on television now, what were 25-35 year olds watching on television 20 years ago. The 25-35 year olds from 20 years ago are now 45-55. If I'm tailoring my programming to the tastes of 25-35 year olds now just as I have been for 20 years, that may not meet the tastes of 45-55 year olds, but I'm still catering to the same market I was then.
It certainly does affect them. All of them. Your example of Ubisoft in particular said it was funding larger games for "you" by selling a ton of cheaper-to-make games for "them". Taking half a billion pieces of software (with full siZed royalty cuts) out of your coffers is not good for anyone's bottom line.
Melchiah
Member
The myth of no games still lives on, when in reality the PS2 had an amazing first year software-wise.
I have a hard time believing people in Europe bought a 500 console just for the DVD player. I personally bought it at November 2000 launch for SSX, and the games in the near horizon, like Silent Hill 2, Soul Reaver 2, and Final Fantasy X.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Except it launched in March 2000.
I bought 8 of those 10 titles, several on the day they launched. What a magical time that was.The myth of no games still lives on, when in reality the PS2 had an amazing first year software-wise.
I have a hard time believing people in Europe bought a 500 console just for the DVD player. I personally bought it at November 2000 launch for SSX, and the games in the near horizon, like Silent Hill 2, Soul Reaver 2, and Final Fantasy X.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The myth of no games still lives on, when in reality the PS2 had an amazing first year software-wise.
I have a hard time believing people in Europe bought a 500 console just for the DVD player. I personally bought it at November 2000 launch for SSX, and the games in the near horizon, like Silent Hill 2, Soul Reaver 2, and Final Fantasy X.
Greatest holiday lineup to ever exist in gaming.
Jesus, I wish Japan would gets its ass in gear.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Woah, THAT was the Q4 2001 lineup? Damn.The myth of no games still lives on, when in reality the PS2 had an amazing first year software-wise.
I have a hard time believing people in Europe bought a 500 console just for the DVD player. I personally bought it at November 2000 launch for SSX, and the games in the near horizon, like Silent Hill 2, Soul Reaver 2, and Final Fantasy X.