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[beelzebozo]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/health-exchange-enrollment-jumps-even-as-gop-pledges-repeal.html

WASHINGTON — About 6.4 million people have signed up for health insurance next year under the Affordable Care Act, the Obama administration said Wednesday, as people rushed to purchase plans regardless of Republican promises that the law will be repealed within months.

The new sign-ups — an increase of 400,000 over a similar point last year — mean the health care coverage of millions of consumers could be imperiled by one of the first legislative actions of Donald J. Trump’s presidency. Hundreds of thousands of other people who took no action will be automatically re-enrolled by the federal government in the same or similar plans, officials said, and their coverage could be threatened as well. Consumers still have until the end of January to enroll.

best part:

But the 6.4 million signing up on HealthCare.gov through Monday could undermine the argument that the law is in free fall. The five states with the most people enrolling for coverage on the site through Monday were Florida, with 1.3 million plan selections, Texas (776,000), North Carolina (369,000), Georgia (352,000) and Pennsylvania (291,000). Mr. Trump carried all those states.

the cognitive dissonance is breathtaking

 

[Ushojax]

best part:



the cognitive dissonance is breathtaking

Fuck my own healthcare, EMAILS!!!!

 

[beelzebozo]

he didn't mean it!

 

[Escape Goat]

The failing NYT again. Sad!

 

[Beartruck]

"We didn't think he was serious."

 

[DragonSworne]

Funny that it's always the red states that use the most government resources.


Damn shame we don't have single payer program in this country.

 

[Guevara]

Better get in on that "health insurance" thing while you still can.

 

[Shard]

Yea, this isn't a ticking time bomb for Republicans or anything.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Elections have consequences, have fun getting fucked.

 

[Horns]

Republicans should totally repeal then replace, right? What's the voting record in Congress on repealing Obamacare vs. replacing Obamacare? It's something like 60 vs. 1.

 

[Laevateinn]

Republicans should totally repeal then replace, right? What's the voting record in Congress on repealing Obamacare vs. replacing Obamacare? It's something like 60 vs. 1.

Probably closer to 60 vs 0

 

[Goro Majima]

Interesting that Florida, Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina are so high on the list since none of those states subsidize health care purchased nor is there an individual mandate since they didn't expand Medicaid.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Interesting that Florida, Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina are so high on the list since none of those states subsidize health care purchased nor is there an individual mandate since they didn't expand Medicaid.

I'm willing to bet a lot of people who make use of the exchanges have no idea what they're signing up for is part of the dreaded "Obamacare."

These people are in for a rude awakening if the GOP goes through with it

 

[WedgeX]

I am covered at present under the ACA's exchange.

Fuck your repeal efforts, GOP.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I'm willing to bet a lot of people who make use of the exchanges have no idea what they're signing up for is part of the dreaded "Obamacare."

These people are in for a rude awakening if the GOP goes through with it

Tea party people held up signs at rallies that read "keep government out of my medicaid".

A huge number of people have no idea how the shit they use every day actually works. They don't care as long as it seems to work. Then they become shocked when like, they ask to get rid of the thing they rely on, and somebody goes and gets rid of it.

 

[Zophar]

I mean, ACA is literally a Republican idea. If they want to repeal it only to replace it with a functionally identical system with the exception that they get to call it a Republican win instead of a Democrat one, fucking fine by me.

 

[Shard]

I mean, ACA is literally a Republican idea. If they want to repeal it only to replace it with a functionally identical system with the exception that they get to call it a Republican win instead of a Democrat one, fucking fine by me.

The problem is having to burn it down and build it up again will put people at risk.

 

[Darryl M R]

Why doesn't this article mention her emails?

Trump could say, "The ACA protects a lot of people and right now I don't think we should repeal it" and most of his supporters will not bat an eye. I can see how the GOP might be internally debating the repeal since [White] people will die if there is a gap.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

I bet that ACA doesn't get wholesale gutted. I believe that this is another Trump 'blowhard' moment, and that instead, he will find some compromise. Not saying that it will be a good thing, but I hope that it will still exist in some way.

 

[RumblingRosco]

I bet that ACA doesn't get wholesale gutted. I believe that this is another Trump 'blowhard' moment, and that instead, he will find some compromise. Not saying that it will be a good thing, but I hope that it will still exist in some way.

I agree with you, but I'm not sure how they will develop a compromise. My understanding is that the GOP has merely focused on full-scale repealing of the ACA and has yet to promote a viable alternative or compromise. It's not an easy situation to modify the ACA without hurting a ton of people along the way.

 

[Aztechnology]

I don't think they're going to do shit with ACA until midterms are over. Insurance premiums are going to continue to rise regardless until they are regulated of we overhaul the system, which is why this is so sorrowfully funny.

 

[dynamitejim]

They want to gut Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and pretty much any other program that makes up the social safety net. I'm not sure why people think they won't repeal the ACA?

 

[Incognito]

these guys are currently fumbling over whether or not to remove all or just some of the funding sources for the ACA. the same funding that will be needed in any magical "replace" plan they cough up. would be interesting to watch them square these holes if it weren't for the fact that so many people are going to be devastated.

 

[Aztechnology]

They want to gut Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and pretty much any other program that makes up the social safety net. I'm not sure why people think they won't repeal the ACA?

Because they would lose a lot of seats in congress. They don't date touch SS, Medicare/Medicaid, old people make up the biggest active voting block. Enormously so in midterms. It's why I get so pissed off at people my age. They're a larger block, yet let a smaller block of aged people with specific wants we don't necessarily share decide everything for us.

 

[Blader]

But the 6.4 million signing up on HealthCare.gov through Monday could undermine the argument that the law is in free fall. The five states with the most people enrolling for coverage on the site through Monday were Florida, with 1.3 million plan selections, Texas (776,000), North Carolina (369,000), Georgia (352,000) and Pennsylvania (291,000). Mr. Trump carried all those states.

Good luck to you!

 

[entremet]

I wish I could be spiteful, but we can't tell those who are signing up are Trump voters.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't think they're going to do shit with ACA until midterms are over. Insurance premiums are going to continue to rise regardless until they are regulated of we overhaul the system, which is why this is so sorrowfully funny.

They were elected this year to "fix" the ACA. They can't just punt it down two years, especially when there's no guarantee at all the GOP holds the House in 2018.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

I'm starting to think that theory that the GOP was never expecting to get the WH again and wanted Obamacare's presence as a prevailing boogeyman to scare the base is true.

 

[Aztechnology]

They were elected this year to "fix" the ACA. They can't just punt it down two years, especially when there's no guarantee at all the GOP holds the House in 2018.

Just watch them try anyway.

 

[slit]

They were elected this year to "fix" the ACA. They can't just punt it down two years, especially when there's no guarantee at all the GOP holds the House in 2018.

They have already said they are punting it for at least two. Of course they could be lying but they seem to want cover and arent sure what to do.

 

[RedNalgene]

The really cynical side of me just CAN'T WAIT to see what happens in those states when the GOP fucks with ACA. The complaints are going to be incredible. But then the compassionate side of me realizes that all of these people who need healthcare are gonna get screwed, many of whom voted for Clinton.

 

[Reverend Funk]

I'm getting ready for some pretty sweet "I told you so"s

 

[EmptyCanO'wupass]

Trump will tweet later today that enrollment is down by millions, count on it.

 

[wenis]

Is there a better link to this story? The one in the OP is borked.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Is there a better link to this story? The one in the OP is borked.

copy and paste it instead of clicking it

 

[Blader]

They were elected this year to "fix" the ACA. They can't just punt it down two years, especially when there's no guarantee at all the GOP holds the House in 2018.

Repeal and delay is happening. Congressional Republicans won't have to worry about the backlash until 2019/2020, at which point they're probably hoping Trump's incumbency carries them over the line in 2020 anyway.

 

[cyress8]

But the 6.4 million signing up on HealthCare.gov through Monday could undermine the argument that the law is in free fall. The five states with the most people enrolling for coverage on the site through Monday were Florida, with 1.3 million plan selections, Texas (776,000), North Carolina (369,000), Georgia (352,000) and Pennsylvania (291,000). Mr. Trump carried all those states.

Don't know why they are signing up now. The best time for insurance would be after the repeal. Insurance prices will be at an all time low right after, I tell you hwhat.

 

[OceanBlue]

Prices will go up as insurers leave I imagine so now is a good time. Republicans probably just want to starve the ACA. Let the threat of repeal scare off insurers from the marketplace and cause prices to rise.

 

[Mathieran]

Because they would lose a lot of seats in congress. They don't date touch SS, Medicare/Medicaid, old people make up the biggest active voting block. Enormously so in midterms. It's why I get so pissed off at people my age. They're a larger block, yet let a smaller block of aged people with specific wants we don't necessarily share decide everything for us.

They'll just only have it effect people under 50 or whatever arbitrary age they determine will have the least effect on the people that vote for them. The old folks don't care about us, they just want to keep their benefits while hopefully having to pay less taxes under the guise of looking out for future generations. It really pissed me off since I have been paying for 15 years into SS and won't see a fucking penny of it.

 

[beelzebozo]

Is there a better link to this story? The one in the OP is borked.

sorry wenis, i'll try to fix this. posted it from my phone

 

[hydragonwarrior]

"We didn't think he was serious."

.

 

[Arol]

Couldn't they just repeal it in the first year, blame Obama, wait for the short attention span of the public to forget what happened and still do well in midterms?

Aren't most of the senate seats up for re-election Democratic anyways?

 

[GameAddict411]

Funny that it's always the red states that use the most government resources.


Damn shame we don't have single payer program in this country.

A single payer won't happen and would never happen in the next few decades in The United States. It's gets tiring when this gets thrown around despite how improbable it is. The US health care system has to be completely gutted to support such system. It might be possible to have a similar system in some small states, but expect a huge State tax hike if no government regulations are introduced to the health care system(like charging insane amount of money for simple treatment for example).

 

[GameAddict411]

I agree with you, but I'm not sure how they will develop a compromise. My understanding is that the GOP has merely focused on full-scale repealing of the ACA and has yet to promote a viable alternative or compromise. It's not an easy situation to modify the ACA without hurting a ton of people along the way.

I don't think it's going to be that easy to repeal ACA to begin with, and I highly doubt that they are going to repeal it without a replacement plan that is somewhat similar(which is stupid I know). If what in the OP is true, then they are going to make a lot of people in those states angry. I highly doubt Trump will get a second term if he leaves people without health care.

 

[Ogodei]

It could be that it's illegal for the insurance company to change the terms of the policy immediately, and that these are people with preexisting conditions who could then get locked in for the next year at the existing price, repeal or no.

I'm not sure how this works, though.

 

[Zelenogorsk]

Wait until Paul Ryan hears about this! (*cue thunderclap)

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Won't this eventually reach a point where repealing it won't be worth the hassle? Seems like a numbers game right now, the people enrol the less willing(?) they'll be to repeal it.

 

[beelzebozo]

Won't this eventually reach a point where repealing it won't be worth the hassle? Seems like a numbers game right now, the people enrol the less willing(?) they'll be to repeal it.

they're in too deep. they have to "repeal" it in much the same way that a guy who keeps bragging about the size of his penis has to take out his penis when he is cast in a porno. this is the moment of truth as the GOP unzips its pleated haggar slacks.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I hate them so much.

 

[Strike]

they're in too deep. they have to "repeal" it in much the same way that a guy who keeps bragging about the size of his penis has to take out his penis when he is cast in a porno. this is the moment of truth as the GOP unzips its pleated haggar slacks.

...and America bends over.