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PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused.
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Watch.

This speech is not about this particular election, it's not even about supporting Obama. What you describe as "Breast Feeding" is simply acknowledging that this acknowledgment is of critical importance.
 
PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused
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2dcjub

"I did not say Dr. King's message was false, or that it served no purpose. What I meant was that Dr. King's message was simply that, a message. It took a president to sign the documents and get it done, and that is what I intend to do."

Well looky here, we now have a guy who can both speak his message, AND enact it if given the opportunity.
 
Fantastic speech. Handled the Wright issue perfectly. His explanations were enlightening.

The most alarming thing I heard though is the populist "us vs. the corporations" message. He put to bed race warfare and went full steam ahead with class warfare.
 
RubxQub said:
2dcjub

"I did not say Dr. King's message was false, or that it served no purpose. What I meant was that Dr. King's message was simply that, a message. It took a president to sign the documents and get it done, and that is what I intend to do."

Well looky here, we now have a guy who can both speak his message, AND enact it if given the opportunity.
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Her comment was on the spot with respect to King, but not Obama - who as president would be able to "sign the documents" and present the message hope. What's your point?
 
PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused. It was a much better speech than Romney's, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has the exact same effect on voters - who's minds are already made up
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You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
 
PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused. It was a much better speech than Romney's, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has the exact same effect on voters - who's minds are already made up
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Even if this speech doesn't help his campaign it's good for the political discourse in america. That's why are embodying the issue, that we focus so much on the nitty gritty of elections we lose sight of politics and how to help america.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Don't waste your breath, it's breast feeding time.

The speech was good - certainly not the life changing event some people seem to be making it out as - but it's not going to clot the issue; the fact that he even had to give a speech on this signifies a loss, similar to Romney's religion speech. This is an extremely sensitive subject among the white electorate and as I've said before, Obama was a fool not to have realized his pastor was a liability years ago. Speeches don't solve things, and I doubt this speech will simply end this issue. The longer it's talked about, the longer Obama suffers
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i heard his wife hates america too.
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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Shit just got real in here. :lol :lol
 
PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused. It was a much better speech than Romney's, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has the exact same effect on voters - who's minds are already made up
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Hmmm...

siamesedreamer said:
Fantastic speech. Handled the Wright issue perfectly. His explanations were enlightening.

The most alarming thing I heard though is the populist "us vs. the corporations" message. He put to bed race warfare and went full steam ahead with class warfare.
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It's pretty clear which of our resident talking heads actually has an open mind, and isn't just looking to have his current opinions confirmed.
 
eznark said:
the gist: Obama's campaign is propped up by race just like mine was propped up by gender

tactless, yes, no arguments there. I'm not even defending what she said. I'm simply saying it's a world of difference when an Afircan American vs. a white person starts talking race.
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there is a huge fucken difference between what obama did today, and what geraldine ferrera has said in the past. obama was talking about fixing racial divides. geraldine ferrera was trying to create those divides. she basically dismissed his candidacy as nothing more than a 'magical negro' stunt.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Her comment was on the spot with respect to King, but not Obama - who as president would be able to "sign the documents" and present the message hope. What's your point?
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My point is that the message is equally important to the action. The action doesn't happen unless the message is there.

You're discrediting the message as if it bears no importance.
 
Listening to this speech reminded me of what a president should sound like. Over the last 4 years, I've resigned myself to the fact that George Bush is completely inept at affecting any sort of positive movement in this country. As a matter of fact, he's done an outstanding job of making life worse for the average American.

Of all the things I have going on in my own life (new kid, job, bills, more bills, doctor bills, grad school) and in the country today, Obama brings me a tiny bit of comfort among all the uncertainty. Obama has a solid record though a bit short on the national side but he has the outstanding potential to be the greatest president in the last 75 years. There isn't a single person I can think of who would be a better president than Barack Obama.
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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:lol
 
eznark said:
"fix" stuff is a solution?

Hey, my computer is broken what should I do?

Fix it.

Wow, thanks Obama!

All I'm saying is that this was a great speech, full of sound and fury while signifying nothing...or something to that effect.
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You are so clueless.

You think it's a speech with no substance because for whatever reason you can't or better yet refuse to sympathize with the enormous amount of honesty in the words that came from the man.

For something to be substantive to you it needs to be political position heavy? Don't we get enough of that? It was heavy on something that is a major part of this Country's history and something that is a major part of our Country's present whether we like to talk about it or not. He totally took to the issue and had a complete mastery of it. Addressing it from both sides of the aisle in a way that he should be perfectly positioned to do. The way he worked his Grandmother into it was so well done.

The only way this speech doesn't resonate with someone here is if they simply didn't give a damn about what the man had to say in the first place. That is the cold hard truth.
 
Looking at the PA poll numbers today with less than 30% of white voters supporting Obama I don't really see how what Phoenix is saying is deserving of such vitriol
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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I endorse this post :lol

Well Saint I think he's clearly being dishonest about the substantive nature of the speech. What Obama said wasn't crap nor was it something that holds no significance for people participating or wishing to participate in this upcoming election. It was extremely important.
 
Great speech. I read the transcript. I can only imagine how awesome it must have been to hear it from his lips.

The messiah has spoken.
 
Saint10118 said:
Wow I know that GAF overwhelmingly loves it some Obama but this type of attack is really uncalled for.
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You're right, my bad. What I meant to call him was a "goddamned motherfucking simp". Shit just got twisted for a second, hope that clarifies everything.
 
Good speech. I wonder how much of it will reach voters. PA is still quite a pretty racist state. I'm glad I moved out of that shithole.
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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OMG. Triumph has been missed. :lol
 
Saint10118 said:
Looking at the PA poll numbers today with less than 30% of white voters supporting Obama I don't really see how what Phoenix is saying is deserving of such vitriol
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Considering he only received 30 or so percent of the white vote in Ohio and there is still 4-5 weeks left to campaign... I'd say thats not all that bad.
 
jmdajr said:
Random comments from houston posters at the chronicle

-No matter what Obama says, he's not going to be able to LIE his way out of this one. His 20 yrs of association with that racist church will surely sink him. I suppose that it will be exposed soon that he was there at some of those sermons. We don't need a man like this even running for President...

-We can debate this all day long but in the end Obama's campaign is UP in SMOKE. Whether you like it or not or find it irrelevant or not, he is done and we'll only have to sit back and watch the death spiral.




its funny how angry some people get :lol

more anger here
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That's the biggest bunch of inbred shitheads I've ever come across.

Great speech by the way.
 
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol LOLOLOL:lol :lol :lol :lol

Oh man...
 
Triumph said:
You're right, my bad. What I meant to call him was a "goddamned motherfucking simp". Shit just got twisted for a second, hope that clarifies everything.
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I glad you could clarify who the true simpleton is.
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
You are so clueless.

You think it's a speech with no substance because for whatever reason you can't or better yet refuse to sympathize with the enormous amount of honesty in the words that came from the man.

For something to be substantive to you it needs to be political position heavy? Don't we get enough of that? It was heavy on something that is a major part of this Country's history and something that is a major part of our Country's present whether we like to talk about it or not. He totally took to the issue and had a complete mastery of it. Addressing it from both sides of the aisle in a way that he should be perfectly positioned to do. The way he worked his Grandmother into it was so well done.

The only way this speech doesn't resonate with someone here is if they simply didn't give a damn about what the man had to say in the first place. That is the cold hard truth.
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It was an excellent speech, I've never said anything but that. It just wasn't some massive watershed moment because there was nothing new there. I understand you're an Obama fan, so I get why you were so enamored with the speech. I think some are doing the speech a disservice by giving it too much weight.

I am a man without a dog in this race, looking at the speech without any real desires one way or another. You can claim that I am somehow at fault for being purposely obtuse, but your fawning over the speech can just as easily be attributed to your fevered devotion to the man.
 
Saint10118 said:
I glad you could clarify who the true simpleton is.
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:lol :lol :lol

Get that trite horseshit out of here.

eznark said:
It was an excellent speech, I've never said anything but that. It just wasn't some massive watershed moment because there was nothing new there. I understand you're an Obama fan, so I get why you were so enamored with the speech. I think some are doing the speech a disservice by giving it too much weight.

I am a man without a dog in this race, looking at the speech without any real desires one way or another. You can claim that I am somehow at fault for being purposely obtuse, but your fawning over the speech can just as easily be attributed to your fevered devotion to the man.
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The compelling aspects of the speech to me were that he wrote it himself, and that he brought into the open, into a major political speech by a major mainstream candidate, the 'living room bitterness' surrounding issues of race on both sides, which are commonly voted upon but never discussed. That is new.
 
Alas, I cannot give a more considered response right now as I have to get on the road. But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.

And it was a reflection of faith - deep, hopeful, transcending faith in the promises of the Gospels. And it was about America - its unique promise, its historic purpose, and our duty to take up the burden to perfect this union - today, in our time, in our way.

I have never felt more convinced that this man's candidacy - not this man, his candidacy - and what he can bring us to achieve - is an historic opportunity. This was a testing; and he did not merely pass it by uttering safe bromides. He addressed the intimate, painful love he has for an imperfect and sometimes embittered man. And how that love enables him to see that man's faults and pain as well as his promise. This is what my faith is about. It is what the Gospels are about. This is a candidate who does not merely speak as a Christian. He acts like a Christian.

Bill Clinton once said that everything bad in America can be rectified by what is good in America. He was right - and Obama takes that to a new level. And does it with the deepest darkest wound in this country's history.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today.
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While I'm not as religious as old Sully, he pretty much nails it.
 
Saint10118 said:
I glad you could clarify who the true simpleton is.
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I don't know what "simp" means, but Urban Dictionary puts it as (paraphrasing):

Someone who acts like a badass around his friends, but is totally whipped around their girlfriend.

It's the combining of both "Sissy" and "Wimp".

No clue whether it's this or simpleton or what...but oh man oh man.
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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Impressive.
HarSon said:
Considering he only received 30 or so percent of the white vote in Ohio and there is still 4-5 weeks left to campaign... I'd say thats not all that bad.
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I agree, although obviously the longer this story stays relevant the longer his numbers will take a hit. Obama's numbers are falling. Something has to be done to fix that
 
harSon said:
Considering he only received 30 or so percent of the white vote in Ohio and there is still 4-5 weeks left to campaign... I'd say thats not all that bad.
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I guess the point I would make is that by the public focusing on race rather than real issues that Obama will be hindered in making gains
 
Triumph said:
You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.
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I love you.
 
Saint10118 said:
I glad you could clarify who the true simpleton is.
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Look, I don't know you from Adam. I don't want to insult you.

I know PhoenixDark, nee Maurice Anthony Cook from Michigan. He is an idiot. Calling him such isn't mean or uncalled for; it's like saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and pussy was the shit we used to eat all the time back in the day. It's, like, TRUE.
 
Triumph said:
Look, I don't know you from Adam. I don't want to insult you.

I know PhoenixDark, nee Maurice Anthony Cook from Michigan. He is an idiot. Calling him such isn't mean or uncalled for; it's like saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and pussy was the shit we used to eat all the time back in the day. It's, like, TRUE.
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And the ref takes a point!
 
eznark said:
It was an excellent speech, I've never said anything but that. It just wasn't some massive watershed moment because there was nothing new there. I understand you're an Obama fan, so I get why you were so enamored with the speech. I think some are doing the speech a disservice by giving it too much weight.

I am a man without a dog in this race, looking at the speech without any real desires one way or another. You can claim that I am somehow at fault for being purposely obtuse, but your fawning over the speech can just as easily be attributed to your fevered devotion to the man.
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I'm not the only one.

On CNN one lady says "Obama just finished what might be THE most important speech of this race."

Another man directly afterwards says "Well this was the most sophisticated speech about race and race relations in America frankly that I've heard. It is more than any scholarly treatment and certainly more than any political treatment"

There are other people just as impressed by the speech and neither one the 2 people were black or Obama supporters :P

Not specifically at eznark, but why are some attempting to suggest that Obama's speech has actually hurt him amongst White Voters?
 
Triumph said:
Look, I don't know you from Adam. I don't want to insult you.

I know PhoenixDark, nee Maurice Anthony Cook from Michigan. He is an idiot. Calling him such isn't mean or uncalled for; it's like saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and pussy was the shit we used to eat all the time back in the day. It's, like, TRUE.
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Who is this guy? He's great!
 
As someone who isn't that impressed with Obama, that speech (read the transcript, didnt hear him give it) is good. Damn good. Won't be a speech of the decade but is going to give him a nice amount of press. Weak ending though after such a good start.
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
I'm not the only one.

On CNN one lady says "Obama just finished what might be THE most important speech of this race."

Another man directly afterwards says "Well this was the most sophisticated speech about race and race relations in America frankly that I've heard. It is more than any scholarly treatment and certainly more than any political treatment"

There are other people just as impressed by the speech and neither one the 2 people were black or Obama supporters :P

Not specifically at eznark, but why are some attempting to suggest that Obama's speech has actually hurt him amongst White Voters?
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I never said, nor implied that.

And I am sure a whole lot of people are going to heap a hell of a lot of hyperbole on this speech.

Also, I'm not saying you had to be an Obama supporter to love the speech but on the flip side, you don't have to hate Obama to have been unimpressed with the substance. If you didn't think the delivery was amazing you're an idiot, though.
 
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