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Triumph said:
Look, I don't know you from Adam. I don't want to insult you.

I know PhoenixDark, nee Maurice Anthony Cook from Michigan. He is an idiot. Calling him such isn't mean or uncalled for; it's like saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and pussy was the shit we used to eat all the time back in the day. It's, like, TRUE.
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I was unaware it was accepted banter between you two. I apologize for mistaking your snark for more than it was.
 
Just read the transcript, and about to watch the video. But, my thoughts can be summarized as:


Holy shit, what a speech.
 
Saint10118 said:
I was unaware it was accepted banter between you two. I apologize for mistaking your snark for more than it was.
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Hey man, don't sweat the small stuff. Other than friends and family, it's ALL small stuff, especially bool sheet on the internets.
 
Saint10118 said:
I was unaware it was accepted banter between you two. I apologize for mistaking your snark for more than it was.
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Triumph usually calls it like it is, he's no dumbass. Although I am ashamed he initially fell for this cult fiasco.
 
Triumph said:
Look, I don't know you from Adam. I don't want to insult you.

I know PhoenixDark, nee Maurice Anthony Cook from Michigan. He is an idiot. Calling him such isn't mean or uncalled for; it's like saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and pussy was the shit we used to eat all the time back in the day. It's, like, TRUE.
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:lol
 
eznark said:
I never said, nor implied that.

And I am sure a whole lot of people are going to heap a hell of a lot of hyperbole on this speech.

Also, I'm not saying you had to be an Obama supporter to love the speech but on the flip side, you don't have to hate Obama to have been unimpressed with the substance. If you didn't think the delivery was amazing you're an idiot, though.
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This a speech about and in response to dialog, and the use of dialog to divide us, what would substance be, policy proposals that limit free speech?
 
Saint10118 said:
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Ha...!

You're so pathetic...sounds like you need a cup of Godot blend #47!
 
PhoenixDark said:
Triumph usually calls it like it is, he's no dumbass. Although I am ashamed he initially fell for this cult fiasco.
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Maurice usually tries to gain attention over the internet by taking absurd stances on things. Witness his Aries/Nintendo On fiasco, personality whoring with such posts as "today I saw a Brazilian woman's hair", and the ultimate "hey guys check me out I'm so unique and smart I'm a black guy that doesn't like Obama! Aren't I cool? Can I play, guys? Can I?"
 
PhoenixDark said:
I have embodied the problem, which is blind cult personality. But I'm not going to waste time with that argument here, again

I didn't dismiss the speech, which I thought was good. The problem is that a speech is not going to fix the hemorrhaging this issue has caused. It was a much better speech than Romney's, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has the exact same effect on voters - who's minds are already made up
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Their minds were already made up long before any of this. This is simply the petty excuse everyone needed to blow out of proportion and cast doubt on Obama. Everything I expected America to do is now happening. I didn't know exactly how he would be cheated out of the elections, but I knew he would be.
 
Dark Octave said:
Their minds were already made up long before any of this. This is simply the petty excuse everyone needed to blow out of proportion and cast doubt on Obama. Everything I expected America to do is now happening. I didn't know exactly how he would be cheated out of the elections, but I knew he would be.
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Not this time (lol). He'll get the NOM NOM NOM, then we'll see.
 
wow, my last few posts on Obama have been very critical of his economic policies but this will finally get me to donate some money to his campaign. The best document on race in America I have ever read hands down, and in competition for the best speech I've ever heard.
 
shibby said:
As someone who isn't that impressed with Obama, that speech (read the transcript, didnt hear him give it) is good. Damn good. Won't be a speech of the decade but is going to give him a nice amount of press. Weak ending though after such a good start.
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really? i feel the exact opposite but came to the same conclusion that it's one hell of a speech.
 
electricpirate said:
This a speech about and in response to dialog, and the use of dialog to divide us, what would substance be, policy proposals that limit free speech?
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I can't even fathom what he could have included in this speech to deserve the praise some are heaping upon it.

Great speech, yes. Seminal, world changing moment in history? hardly.
 
eznark said:
I can't even fathom what he could have included in this speech to deserve the praise some are heaping upon it.

Great speech, yes. Seminal, world changing moment in history? hardly.
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No one has clearly communicated the tangible problems between the races quite so clearly or in such a public forum in recent times.

He laid it all on the line and clearly describes the struggles of blacks and blue collar workers alike, and how race plays into all of it.

Just because you may have already been able to draw this conclusion yourself, no one has quite said it in the way that Barack just did.
 
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
 
omgimaninja said:
I didn't notice him reading off anything, did he memorize the WHOLE speech??
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I don't think so, I thought he had note cards for the speech. It kinda showed near the beginning when he just kinda sped through the speech instead of letting the words resonate like later on.
 
commish said:
That's pretty insightful. If not impressed, perhaps say why?
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If you read his comments regarding Wright, you would know there's no way he would be impressed. Alternatively, if you've read his posts on the gaming side, you would know he is an utterly worthless poster.
 
RubxQub said:
No one has clearly communicated the tangible problems between the races quite so clearly or in such a public forum in recent times.

He laid it all on the line and clearly describes the struggles of blacks and blue collar workers alike, and how race plays into all of it.

Just because you may have already been able to draw this conclusion yourself, no one has quite said it in the way that Barack just did.
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I don't disagree with any of that.
 
eznark said:
I can't even fathom what he could have included in this speech to deserve the praise some are heaping upon it.

Great speech, yes. Seminal, world changing moment in history? hardly.
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I'm not calling this earth shattering, and I'm not putting it at the same level as "I have a dream" or anything, but he said hard truths that aren't being said by anyone in power. He opened a new, and hopefully more fruitful avenue in our national discourse on Race, and that was very important.

That speach alone doesn't change this country, but it will hopefully change our a dialog, and that's the first step to anything meaningful happening.


Edit: I think we all agree that he said hard truths that needed to be said, but haven't been, I think we disagree on how much saying those truths will impact this country.
 
Culex said:
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
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How many churches in the nation have you gone to?

Let's get crazy and say 50.

Not even 1% of the churches in the nation. I think it's a bit ridiculous to assume you know what is going on in churches across the nation to make the statement you just did.
 
Culex said:
Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
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Really?

this is a common thing in many churches (i can think of three churches i've been a part of in which politics were a common topic of discourse within sermons).

are you familiar with what's known as the religious right?
 
I am not an Obama supporter, but I was definitely impressed with the power of his speech. I read the whole thing from Drudge and I couldn't take my eyes off my screen. Here are my comments:

With all his talk of unity, he still has not convinced me that he can speak beyond liberal ideology. He is in a primary right now, so he does not need to speak to other points of view, but he certainly has not shown me that his view of unity extends beyond his own party.

Black, white, or whatever- anyone born in America has the ability to study hard in school, get a good education, and earn enough money to write a check for health insurance. For those who are not able to do this we have Medicaid. I do not understand what universal health care has to do with race.

His viewpoint on this topic is not one shared by a majority of the nation.
 
Culex said:
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
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Er....what? There's a reason that there's an "evagelical" wing of the Republicans. Politics is espoused, albeit not that often. Hell, many people's politics *ARE* determined by their church(via abortion, gay marriage and whatnot).
 
Culex said:
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
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A lot of evangelical churches have pastors that talk about politics, and many pastors will even tell their congregation who to vote for.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I was definitely impressed with the power of his speech. I read the whole thing from Drudge and I couldn't take my eyes off my screen. Here are my comments:

With all his talk of unity, he still has not convinced me that he can speak beyond liberal ideology. He is in a primary right now, so he does not need to speak to other points of view, but he certainly has not shown me that his view of unity extends beyond his own party.

Black, white, or whatever- anyone born in America has the ability to study hard in school, get a good education, and earn enough money to write a check for health insurance. For those who are not able to do this we have Medicaid. I do not understand what universal health care has to do with race.

His viewpoint on this topic is not one shared by a majority of the nation.
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Um, he didn't say universal healthcare had anything to do with race.
 
Culex said:
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?
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Are you serious?

Culex said:
It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.
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:lol :lol

No, really, lots do.
 
Culex said:
It was a great speech from what I've read and heard, but one part of it just doesn't make sense. He states that his pastor's comments may have been similar to what many Americans have heard from their own. Last time I checked, I've never heard a pastor/priest or church official spewing political agenda. Why would my church be spewing politics to me from the pew?

It's one thing hearing the Dali Lama or Pope urging peace, but the majority of churches do not impose poilitcal views upon their members.

I don't get it!
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Black Churches in major urban areas and inner-cities are very much as he stated...

if you want to see other examples of politics in church... watch "Jesus Camp"
 
As a minority, he says everything that everyone in my family that grew up during the civil rights movement ever hoped to say. This might be the greatest speech on race in America ever written/spoken.
 
Tamanon said:
Um, he didn't say universal healthcare had anything to do with race.
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Political Race.

:D

And as to why I am not impressed, I don't have the time or the care to bother. I have a right to my opinion, and everyone else has a right to think otherwise.
 
I find it hard to believe that your churches don't "spew" politics at all. So your churches always talk about Jesus? No commentary on abortion, war, famine, the poor? That's politics too.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I am not an Obama supporter, but I was definitely impressed with the power of his speech. I read the whole thing from Drudge and I couldn't take my eyes off my screen. Here are my comments:

With all his talk of unity, he still has not convinced me that he can speak beyond liberal ideology. He is in a primary right now, so he does not need to speak to other points of view, but he certainly has not shown me that his view of unity extends beyond his own party.

Black, white, or whatever- anyone born in America has the ability to study hard in school, get a good education, and earn enough money to write a check for health insurance. For those who are not able to do this we have Medicaid. I do not understand what universal health care has to do with race.

His viewpoint on this topic is not one shared by a majority of the nation.
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That is his health care plan, just with the idea that a government insurance can provide it more cheaply, and thusly, more people can buy said insurance. It's not Hilaries Mandate plan, it's not single payer, and it's not gov. owns all the hospitals, it just a way to control the spiraling costs of healthcare.

There were chunks out of that speech dedicated to "conservative" ideals of personal responsibility, his campaign isn't about what he will do, but what we can do. Those are things that I think will resonate with a lot of moderate republicans.
 
obijkenobi said:
I find it hard to believe that your churches don't "spew" politics at all. So your churches always talk about Jesus? No commentary on abortion, war, famine, the poor? That's politics too.
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I've never heard one say the white man created AIDS to kill me ;)
 
Tamanon said:
Um, he didn't say universal healthcare had anything to do with race.
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On a very general level, this is a speak on the topic of racism in America and he took time in this speech to talk about health care. That is the notion that I was referring to with my comment.


More than that, what I am trying to say that his views and words on this topic continue to be directly ideologically opposed to the views of conservatives, or anyone that believes in a merit based economy. Again: for all his talk of unity he has not moved beyond attempting to unite his own party. Though, as I stated in my first post, he is in a primary, so there is no reason for him to be more inclusive in his language.
 
Culex said:
I've never heard one say the white man created AIDS to kill me ;)
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Yes. Somehow I doubt that what Wright preaches is completely in line with the average black church out there. If it is, then there is a big problem.

Simply by the excerpts, IMO, there is no way that Obama could have been clueless about this. Juan Williams, of whom I usually disagree with, is saying there is no way Obama did not know about this. He's not a dumb guy.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/16/video-juan-williams-lowers-the-boom-on-obama/
 
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