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Obama talks race and gender in Philly...
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Saint10118
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Jenga said:
Ha...!
You're so pathetic...sounds like you need a cup of Godot blend #47!
:lol that was genius
Hellsing321
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Ah true.Tamanon said:Yeah, but to be fair, the commandments aren't really that strictly followed by many churches.
ToyMachine228
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That was an amazing speech, and delivered magnificently. I don't even know what to say about it. It was amazing in a societal sense, and a political sense. And addressing some of the most difficult issues to address...Religion and race.
In a political sense, it was a great speech. It shows what Obama's campaign is about. Honesty, realism, and good intention to address our problems not only as Americans, but as humans as well on the larger scale. Speeches like that, are what gives this campaign Hope, not as a slogan, but as a reality. And right now at least it seems the media is picking up on that just looking at the headlines.
I imagine we'll be talking about this speech more, so I'll end my post now but just let me say this...I want that man as my next President. After the scandal filled Clinton administration, and the corrupt, and disconnected Bush administration, I really think that Barack Obama will do a lot to restore this country's confidence in not only our government, but in ourselves. And with our economy in the state that it's in right now...That's what we need. Confidence.
In a political sense, it was a great speech. It shows what Obama's campaign is about. Honesty, realism, and good intention to address our problems not only as Americans, but as humans as well on the larger scale. Speeches like that, are what gives this campaign Hope, not as a slogan, but as a reality. And right now at least it seems the media is picking up on that just looking at the headlines.
I imagine we'll be talking about this speech more, so I'll end my post now but just let me say this...I want that man as my next President. After the scandal filled Clinton administration, and the corrupt, and disconnected Bush administration, I really think that Barack Obama will do a lot to restore this country's confidence in not only our government, but in ourselves. And with our economy in the state that it's in right now...That's what we need. Confidence.
Tamanon said:
Nice blanket bullshit statement, but not all churches are like this. I attended Catholic masses for many years and never once was there propaganda and lies like this said during the sermon.
No one is saying ban churches either, but things have to be called out upon when they are clearly wrong and lying.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/speechwriter_of_one.php
Obama wrote the entire speech himself.
Obama wrote the entire speech himself.
PhoenixDark
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Most churches don't participate in propaganda or racist rabble rousing. I attended church for more than 17 years and rarely heard anything about politics, unless it was some analogy for instance. Are social issues discussed frequently? Of course. But there's a difference between talking about social problems and propagating conspiracy theorist nonsense
Culex said:
Give me a fucking break. You've heard minutes of words out of thousands and thousands of hours worth of sermons and you're going to label the churche's entire existence on it?
PhoenixDark said:
I personally heard it at my church in Pittsburgh as well as the church my family goes to when we attend our family reunion in Alabama.
Dr_Cogent said:
once again. thats your view.
when has Hillary been called a nigger? You really think usa foreign policy had no effect on 9-11 and how the world views us?
so i saw no lies or propaganda. yes there is hatred and anger. and thats just the truth on how the black community feels.
but once again thats how some of us have come together and strengthened our faith and our communities.
once again whats the problem?
Love To Love You Baby
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I remember going to church circa 2003 and having the pastor Biblically justify why we should go to war with Iraq.
A) I disagree completely with that and shouldn't be judged by what some idiot at a church I went to said.
B) Praising terrible foreign policy (the pastor I was referring to) is worse than critiquing terrible foreign policy (Obama's pastor).
A) I disagree completely with that and shouldn't be judged by what some idiot at a church I went to said.
B) Praising terrible foreign policy (the pastor I was referring to) is worse than critiquing terrible foreign policy (Obama's pastor).
Culex said:
How else could Rove have put Bush in for two terms? Thinking less politically, consider...
Think for a moment how insanely successful Passion of the Christ was and suspend any disbelief that it wasn't all thanks to evangelical churches in America.
Evangelical churches aren't just a political stump, they're a modern day information distribution platform that knows no equal. Everything from intentional religious and political message to hearsay disseminate through the structured community so quickly that it's fascinating, because of the number of touchpoints in the social network.
The evangelical networking stack goes something like this, from formal to informal:
1. Radio/TV - Christian talk radio is syndicated worldwide and widely listened to. CBN may not have particularly high viewership, but it's base is broad enough to penetrate the vast majority of evangelical churches in the Western world. When pat Robertson spews some ridiculous and patently false, every church in America will have ten women spreading the gossip at church within a mean of 3.5 days.
2. Pulp publishing / music / web - CCM and "pop" Christian publications like Christianity Today and free devotional / international newsletters rotate frequently enough to introduce tweaks in message that aren't just introduced quickly, but often immediately absorbed as truth. The Family Values campaign in the late 70s demonstrates this.
3. Youth - youth activism drives a lot of the communication, not only because it's more tech-savvy, but because the involvement is more intense. The average evangelical youth spends two-to-three times more time at church and even more with people who affirm his/her beliefs. Not to be discounted, there is an entire hierarchy of weekend conferences (from local to super regional) that are extremely thoroughly trafficked and nearly universal in method and message. They firm up the experience of evangelical youth from disparate backgrounds and parts of the country.
It's a truly amazing information distribution platform. If I had time to go for a PhD, it would almost certainly be to model the means by which a single point is distributed.
harSon said:
No, you give me a fucking break. There is no way that these were the only time that tard spouted off. Given his demeanor, I would wager this is a normal thing on a very regular basis. There is no way this is some sort of aberration that they just "happened" to get on tape.
Hellsing321
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Obviously the church has to be spreading the right kind of propaganda.Tamanon said:No, really, what is propaganda? And after answering, why wouldn't any church be accused of it?
Skellig Gra
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It is amusing to see all the anti-religion/pro-Obama folks try to defend religion now. I'll leave it at that.
Tamanon said:No, really, what is propaganda? And after answering, why wouldn't any church be accused of it?
US gives drugs to blacks and then arrests them?
US developed AIDs virus?
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:lol
This isn't lies, hatred and propaganda?
No church that I have ever been too has preached such things or anything even remotely in the same vein.
Hollywood Duo said:
Yes. It's fucking hilarious and really a joke as well.
PhoenixDark
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Dr_Cogent said:
I find it shocking that people are willing to support this as long as he said it "a couple times out of a thousand sermons." Not only is that untruthful it also is a disgusting slippery slope
Son of Godzilla
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Catholic masses are incredibly different than the majority of Christian services.Dr_Cogent said:
Kabuki Waq
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i cant believe you people put so much stock into ANY speaches by any politician still.
or maybe i am just way too jaded.
or maybe i am just way too jaded.
PhoenixDark
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harSon said:
What about his statements praising Farakkkhan?
Tamanon said:
First off, fuck you Tamanon. That depends on what you consider to be propoganda. If you are liberal lefty tard then yeah, all churches are propaganda. Guess it depends on if you are a Godless heathen or not that determines what is propaganda and what isn't.
harSon said:
Unless you can conclusively prove that those statements are true that we deliberately build prisons with the mindset we are going to incarcerate poor blacks with a huge conspiracy behind it, then please, STFU.
This is why the OT is fucking retarded. It's so overwhelmingly liberal and left that it's impossible to have an even handed discussion.
1. Wow, i agree with Phoenix.PhoenixDark said:
2. GAF is defending religion for Obama's sake. You people are surely drinking the kool-Aid.
3. The difference between the propaganda by Wright and the propaganda that is a church by itself, is that the church doesn't sanction race wars, which is pretty much what Wright was doing. He is a softer version of Khalid Abdul Muhammad.
Are Obama supporters really going to warp reality for Obama. Falwell is not the defacto pastor across the nation
PhoenixDark
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Triumph said:
Oh, we're playing the "bububu Clinton" game now. Anyone who praises Farakkhan is a dumbass.
boredJonathan
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Dr_Cogent said:
One of these things is not like the other.
James Power
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Hollywood Duo said:
All this probably is more an example of the desperation of the US citizens itself than it has to do with Obama or what he represents. He just happens to be the lucky blanket these desperate people project their hopes onto. And if something doesn't quite fit they'll make believe it fit.
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