Thunder Monkey
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Add Blitzer to the black man hate train.topsyturvy said:
Lou Dobbs is scared of anyone with a little brown in their hue.
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Lou Dobbs is scared of anyone with a little brown in their hue.
The Orange
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Strangely, Huckabee came out with the most rational response to this issue. Who would've thought.
Fragamemnon
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The Orange said:
Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
topsyturvy
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All that is just stupid though, none of what he says is based on fact, more on assumption.maximum360 said:
So lou dobbs is racist because he might not like obama?Thunder Monkey said:
maximum360
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The Orange said:
IMO, he's misguided in some of his political ideals but I don't think he's a bad guy. But I'm pretty sure we won't see him anytime on Faux expressing such thoughts as they're more inclined to bring Black Panther members to continue to stir up the racial divide.
Deus Ex Machina
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They also said John Kerry made some comments about race in America today. Does anyone know what he said?
I'm somewhat undecided on where I stand in this whole thing.
On one hand, as a former church-goer, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that having a pastor with these sort of views is far more telling than if it were just a friend. Often people choose their church based on the church's (and pastors) stance on issues. I've seen massive amounts of people leave churches for far more trivial matters- for instance, over use of donation funds (bigger building vs. more missionaries, etc).
I HAVE to assume that his pastor's views reflect his own. I can't base it on prepared speeches or edited websites. The only way (in my opinion) to have an idea of who a candidate really is, is by what they've done and who they associate with. I couldn't care less how charismatic and well-spoken they are, it's ultimately meaningless. I want to see how they have lived their life and who they chose to associate with. Someone's pastor is about as close as a personal relationship can get (minus their spouse).
The only question left in my mind is whether I trust him as a candidate. Personally, I stop listening to people who spout off wild, baseless conspiracy theories like white people creating AIDS. I read the transcipts of a few of the pastor's sermons and I thought it was hateful, racist garbage, and it is not something I am willing to simply dismiss. I certainly refuse to listen to someone link ME to this garbage. I won't vote for Obama if I think he's linked to it (with reasonable certainty).
He's obviously an intelligent, articulate guy, which means nothing to me. I need to see (not hear from his mouth) that he is someone I would like to have as President before I endorse him.
On one hand, as a former church-goer, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that having a pastor with these sort of views is far more telling than if it were just a friend. Often people choose their church based on the church's (and pastors) stance on issues. I've seen massive amounts of people leave churches for far more trivial matters- for instance, over use of donation funds (bigger building vs. more missionaries, etc).
I HAVE to assume that his pastor's views reflect his own. I can't base it on prepared speeches or edited websites. The only way (in my opinion) to have an idea of who a candidate really is, is by what they've done and who they associate with. I couldn't care less how charismatic and well-spoken they are, it's ultimately meaningless. I want to see how they have lived their life and who they chose to associate with. Someone's pastor is about as close as a personal relationship can get (minus their spouse).
The only question left in my mind is whether I trust him as a candidate. Personally, I stop listening to people who spout off wild, baseless conspiracy theories like white people creating AIDS. I read the transcipts of a few of the pastor's sermons and I thought it was hateful, racist garbage, and it is not something I am willing to simply dismiss. I certainly refuse to listen to someone link ME to this garbage. I won't vote for Obama if I think he's linked to it (with reasonable certainty).
He's obviously an intelligent, articulate guy, which means nothing to me. I need to see (not hear from his mouth) that he is someone I would like to have as President before I endorse him.
topsyturvy
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Political pundits would like to call that the clinton machine. The funny thing is, nothing clinton threw at him worked. And honestly, negative ads and tactics comes with politics.AniHawk said:
and if you're complaining about shaddy tactics then you're gonna bitch come the GE.
Thunder Monkey
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No, he fills that nicely with his overall hate of immigrants.topsyturvy said:
Do you think it's feasible to transport 13 million people across the border at one time?
Lou Dobbs does. His anger towards Obama, is just another qualm he has with people of color.
These things don't make him a card carrying member of the KKK, but they're enough for me to disregard anything the guy says as bigotry.
topsyturvy
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I'm not defending lou dobbs here but i guess i'm in the position now. Just last week lou called out Obama for saying the same thing you just said. I also highly doubt lou dobbs is racist when he have 2 co hosts that is african american on primary nights.Thunder Monkey said:
OBAMA'S PASSPORT DATA BREACHED; STATE DEPT INVESTIGATION, 2 FIRED
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What the hell is this about?
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What the hell is this about?
soul creator
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ezekial45 said:
Hillary spies committing identity theft
lolz
maximum360
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topsyturvy said:
I have no idea what Lou Dobbs' ideals are outside of his show. He won't be as ridiculously blatantly about his disdain for Obama as those on Fox News Channel but he gets his digs in when he can.
I can't fault her for her poltical ambitions. That's her choice, whether other people are behind it or not is another issue. Her actions and aspirations in this regard though may have consequences in the long run. The ends do not justify the means.
Her Florida and Michigan flip-flop though is evidence that she's disingenuous. It's blatantly obvious that she was aware of the implications of their punishment by the DNC as she's been recorded saying so. Now claiming that she's sticking up for their rights at a time when it's only poltically convenient for her and not before does not paint her in a good light.
Obama's camp has had a horrible month. It seems the longer this drags on, the more mistakes are made on both sides (but especially in the Obama camp). Most of it is due to the petty bickering between both camps but Obama's camp seems to be in self-destruction mode over the long run. Obama had the best strategy for the nomination but I don't think his camp has shown that they have been able to weather the long mud-slinging contest thus far. Hillary's camp has been able to give the impression that they've been able to hold it together longer but I think that's sorta because the media frankly has been as quick to pounce on mistakes made on their end. Once you know they're going to use the kitchen sink strategy, you don't really have any standards or morals to hold them to. On Obama's side though, since they've countered that they're above that, any mistakes makes will be pounced upon ad nauseum.
This next week or so is crucial to Obama. If he can't get beyond this cloud of uncertainty due to recent events (or those that have come to light recently) Hillary could have the nom with the superdelegates making a B line to her. Obama needs to have this out of the news cycle by the weekend and start off fresh on Monday.
Fragamemnon
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If the Washington Times ties the perps back to either Hillary or McCain surrogates-even tangentially-it's going to get balls to the wall 24 hour Action McNews coverage.
maximum360
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Teddman said:
Heh, it could actually benefit Obama in that sense (well except on Fox).
maximum360
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Fragamemnon said:
Indeed. It would be the knock-out blow for Hillary and would look very bad for McCain (considering the recent actions taken by one of his staff-members).
Funky Papa
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Oh man, Drudge is on fire
BILL CLINTON: MY GOOD FRIEND REV. WRIGHT... DEVELOPING...
BILL CLINTON: MY GOOD FRIEND REV. WRIGHT... DEVELOPING...
topsyturvy
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bill o reilly is defending obama, so much for fox hating him. :/
Funky Papa
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waddayathinkTeddman said:
Looks like the Clintons are about to discover that the internet is serious business.
topsyturvy
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He have defended him on his radio show tonight and he's doing it know. Please don't insult me if you don't know what you're talking about.harSon said:
Bill o reilly defending this issue isn't a big deal for obama? ok...Loudninja said:
Green Shinobi
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So is Clinton considered the favorite in the Democratic primary now?
topsyturvy
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I should have edited the fox, but hannity isn't reilly.reilo said:
Green Shinobi
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I wasn't talking about that. I was just asking if all this bullshit has caused Hillary to replace Obama as the Democratic frontrunner.reilo said:
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topsyturvy said:
Huckabee defended Obama too, does that mean the Republican Party doesn't hate Obama?
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