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njp142 said:
You know his speech was great concept about opening a dialogue, but reinforcing stereotypes and in effect trying to speak for everyone is not something I'd like to hear and would make things worse.


The scab is off, keep the dialogue going, its ok to be a little politically incorrect, without being racist. As long as people allow one another to talk freely and openly without the feeling of reprisal its ok, but its the sound bite era and that's all people want to capitalize on the "gotcha" . Talking about race you unfortunately have to talk about stereotypes that's a given. No one said it would be pretty, be an adult, some will be offended as long as it isn't meant in a racist way I have no problem with a white person saying that this is typical of black folks, instead of saying typical n' word.

Sound bites rule the day and dialogue is lost, no wonder we're so fucked up in this nation, how in the hell are you going to talk about race without bringing up stereotypes.
 
Lame, I have significant learning disabilities and I understood exactly what he was saying. Actually I am surprised someone in political office would have balls to be that honest. I guess that is the problem. We want robot leaders that run everything they say through complete team of people before hand and never tackle or say anything that would remotely upset others even if its honest.
 
There's a possibility the story won't gain traction outside of Fox "Analysis" shows like Hannity. Who knows, there have been surprisingly little blog activity/articles thus far.
 
typhonsentra said:
There's a possibility the story won't gain traction outside of Fox "Analysis" shows like Hannity. Who knows, there have been surprisingly little blog activity/articles thus far.
Yahoo homepage last 48hrs acts like its over for him already.
 
gluv65 said:
The scab is off, keep the dialogue going, its ok to be a little politically incorrect, without being racist. As long as people allow one another to talk freely and openly without the feeling of reprisal its ok, but its the sound bite era and that's all people want to capitalize on the "gotcha" . Talking about race you unfortunately have to talk about stereotypes that's a given. No one said it would be pretty, be an adult, some will be offended as long as it isn't meant in a racist way I have no problem with a white person saying that this is typical of black folks, instead of saying typical n' word.

Sound bites rule the day and dialogue is lost, no wonder we're so fucked up in this nation, how in the hell are you going to talk about race without bringing up stereotypes.

Well said.
 
harSon,

I've supported Obama, but you really can't defend this statement, even if he meant only his grandparent's generation. Stereotyping (no matter the race) goes completely against the speech he made on Tuesday. An open dialogue is a discussion where you explain your own issues and try to understand others, not tell others how they feel/act/believe/etc. That's not listening and discussing.
 
njp142 said:
harSon,

I've supported Obama, but you really can't defend this statement, even if he meant only his grandparent's generation. Stereotyping (no matter the race) goes completely against the speech he made on Tuesday. An open dialogue is a discussion where you explain your own issues and try to understand others, not tell others how they feel/act/believe/etc. That's not listening and discussing.

There is nothing to defend. Unease by whites towards the Black community as a whole was fairly common throughout the Jim Crow era that Obama's grandmother lived through.
 
njp142 said:
harSon,

I've supported Obama, but you really can't defend this statement, even if he meant only his grandparent's generation. Stereotyping (no matter the race) goes completely against the speech he made on Tuesday. An open dialogue is a discussion where you explain your own issues and try to understand others, not tell others how they feel/act/believe/etc. That's not listening and discussing.
Blah blah motherfucking blah,if your going to talk about race,your going to talk about sterotypes.. Anyone who is "offended" by this statement needs a fucking reality check.
 
People are working really, really hard to be offended. The amount of buzz and hubub over this can't last, and I imagine we'll see a bounce-back in poll numbers shortly.
 
typhonsentra said:
There's a possibility the story won't gain traction outside of Fox "Analysis" shows like Hannity. Who knows, there have been surprisingly little blog activity/articles thus far.

Not a chance. This is pretty much going to spell the end of Obama's campaign. Once this is widespread, his poll numbers will plummet. I'm sure he didn't mean it the way he said it, but since when does intent cover a verbal gaffe during a presidential campaign? Especially this week. No, analysts on both sides of the fence will jump all over this one. So very sad.
 
electricpirate said:
Did you actually listen to it, or just read the headline from an ideological blog?

Actual quote, "she is a typical white person... if she sees somebody on the street, if she sees someone on the street she doesn't know, Theres a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away... Each generation feels a little less like that."
Damn, the headline took it way out of context. Thanks, because I wasn't going to read the blog either.. :lol
 
to say "typical white person" was ridiculously stupid, as only the first part of that quote will be re-played over and over. I definitely see what he was trying to get across though.
 
alr1ghtstart said:
to say "typical white person" was ridiculously stupid, as only the first part of that quote will be re-played over and over. I definitely see what he was trying to get across though.

There's no hope for this fucking country.
 
Ferraro won't shut the hell up :P
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8629143

And Foxnews doing exactly what you'd expect:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/20/ferraro-offended-by-comparison-to-pastor-wright/
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity — she doesn’t,” he said. “But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there is a reaction. That has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.

Cutting off the most imporant part "...And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that."
 
alr1ghtstart said:
to say "typical white person" was ridiculously stupid, as only the first part of that quote will be re-played over and over. I definitely see what he was trying to get across though.
Read the quote in context. Don't just go by blog headlines
 
harSon said:
Ferraro won't shut the hell up :P
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8629143

And Foxnews doing exactly what you'd expect:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/20/ferraro-offended-by-comparison-to-pastor-wright/


Cutting off the most imporant part "...And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that."

That's the issue. That one part will be played over and over and over again, and so "the public's" perception of it will be what ends up mattering, not what he MEANT to say.

WE are smart enough and savvy enough to look for the context and understand what he was trying to say, but not everyone is. Remember, GW Bush was elected. Twice.
 
gluv65 said:
The scab is off, keep the dialogue going, its ok to be a little politically incorrect, without being racist. As long as people allow one another to talk freely and openly without the feeling of reprisal its ok, but its the sound bite era and that's all people want to capitalize on the "gotcha" . Talking about race you unfortunately have to talk about stereotypes that's a given. No one said it would be pretty, be an adult, some will be offended as long as it isn't meant in a racist way I have no problem with a white person saying that this is typical of black folks, instead of saying typical n' word.

Sound bites rule the day and dialogue is lost, no wonder we're so fucked up in this nation, how in the hell are you going to talk about race without bringing up stereotypes.

Actually that's a great point about the sound bytes and I here where you're coming from. I just don't like the concept of grouping individuals beliefs, particularly by race. Leave out the "typical person" and specify it to his grandmother and there's no problem.

Also realize I'm speaking as someone who supports him and wants to see him win. I'm not over-reacting to a one-liner. I'll wait for his response, which I'm sure will provide clarification.
 
SteveMeister said:
Not a chance. This is pretty much going to spell the end of Obama's campaign. Once this is widespread, his poll numbers will plummet. I'm sure he didn't mean it the way he said it, but since when does intent cover a verbal gaffe during a presidential campaign? Especially this week.

I agree with you his campaign is over as well, not by this statement but by Rev. Wright statements. It was grave enough for white people to jump off the band wagon of an unknown commodity.

But this typical statement is nothing but the biggest reach, I have ever seen. It just fodder for right wing radio in an effort to prove that somehow this Bi-racial man raised by white people is racist or said something offensive.
 
Ferraro said:
"What this man is doing is he is spewing that stuff out to young people, and to younger people than Obama, and putting it in their heads that it's OK to say `Goddamn America' and it's OK to beat up on white people," she said. "You don't preach that from the pulpit."

:lol @ "beat up white people"
 
SteveMeister said:
That's the issue. That one part will be played over and over and over again, and so "the public's" perception of it will be what ends up mattering, not what he MEANT to say.

WE are smart enough and savvy enough to look for the context and understand what he was trying to say, but not everyone is. Remember, GW Bush was elected. Twice.

I personally don't think this story will catch on outside of Foxnews or Conservative Radio/Television Shows. Theres a rather large difference between the Wright story and this particular quote. The Wright issue brings Obama's judgement into question because of his relationship with such a polarizing figure, Obama's statement regarding "typical white people" would basically be singling him out as a racist which most people think not to be true.
 
harSon said:
I personally don't think this story will catch on outside of Foxnews or Conservative Radio/Television Shows. Theres a rather large difference between the Wright story and this particular quote. The Wright issue brings Obama's judgement into question because of his relationship with such a polarizing figure, Obama's statement regarding "typical white people" would basically be singling him out as a racist which most people think not to be true.
Skimming around the news and blogs sites, I haven't seen mention of it yet. I'm hopeful it will remain FOX fodder and nothing more.
 
Pundits should to realize the impact of their words. If they sink Obama's campaign using the race card they will create a tremendous rift between races. Black voters will be alienated, and prejudices will inflict great damage on both sides for many years to come.

This whole hubbub is extremely irresponsible. People need to stop using race as a political weapon.
 
People also need to stop looking at the words that are said and look at the meaning BEHIND those words.

It's because people don't do that (And the media simply plays sound bites over and over again) that all of these negative attacks and campaigns work, or why they evcen gain traction in the first place.
 
You know, I was telling a co-worker that I couldn't believe Obama had gone this far without saying something stupid. Next thing you know, one of his close allies is exposed as a hatemongering ass and now Obama goes and says something stupid.

Now the gaf politicos are threatening to quit politics and move to Antarctica if this sinks the Obama campaign. :lol

Obama will still head to the convention with a delegate lead, and he'll have enough time from now until then to right this ship, but it's only natural that in a campaign this long and with the amount of things that a candidate says, that something stupid will come out. Might as well be now when he has the lead and time to get back on track. One thing's for sure, he's lost that nice little aura of invincibility he had created for himself. And he's no longer the golden boy of news networks.

He used to be this blank slate where folks would just project their hopes and beliefs on, but now the fox fanatics are busy writing on that slate and Obama isn't helping himself with those statements he made.
 
Bams is on Larry King Live tonight. Perfect opportunity to preemptively correct this by saying what he meant to say.

By this I mean not that he should say tonight that 'I didn't mean A, what I meant was B' - rather he should just say B.
 
The "typical" thing is just absurd, but I do find the Wright issue a little disturbing. I am conservative, so I don't like either candidate. Maybe that allows me to be a little more objective.

Obama's main arguments in his speech are that a) he wasn't aware of the extent of his pastor's beliefs cause he wasn't there when Wright said them, b) Wright is a justifiable product of a different era, c) he can't disown Wright just like he can't disown his grandmother, and d) he often didn't agree with Wright anyway.

On point a, Obama has previously claimed he is a devout Christian. Well a devout Christian goes to church and would understand all his pastor's beliefs. Something doesn't add up. I personally think most politicians in either party are lying hypocrites, so Obama probably, like most politicians, uses church to drum up votes. In this scenario, it is quite reasonable to believe that Obama wasn't fully aware of his religious mentor's beliefs.

On point b, there is some truth to this. But it contradicts Obama's statements that what Wright said is completely unjustifiable. However, I think this is a non-issue.

On point c, what the hell? This is offensive to me. He basically tosses his grandma under the bus for political gain. Yes, grandma's views are bigoted. But choosing as a conscious adult to be mentored by a blatant racist and being raised by a woman who loves you who has a mild form of bigotry are completely different things. The key point here is that you choose your pastor, you don't choose your family. Moreover, Wright's bigotry is exponential more racist than grandma's. Moreover, I think politicians (again many do this in both parties) who use their family for political gain are slimeballs. I would never insult my family, true or not, if I was in trouble in my job.

On point d, then why was he Obama's religious mentor?

I think the truth of all this is that every politician in America needs a few things to get elected: Christian credibility, moral high ground, and celebrity/charisma. Obama was always going to have an uphill battle with questions about Islam (sad that this is the case) arising during his political career. What better way to quiet those questions than to convert and join a large church that also helps him with a powerful voting block in the democratic party? Obama probably really wasn't all that aware of the views of that pastor, it was just a convenient tool among many others in getting elected.
 
Yes, Obama planned a preemptive strike for the presidency over 20 years ago.

Edit: Guess I was wrong. Leave it to Lou Dobbs to be the one to bring up the "typical white person" comment.
 
whytemyke said:
you guys see the Daily show last night? Stewart was on fire with this stuff

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=164521&title=the-dialogue-begins
:lol

"How you doin'?"

Holy shit at that Sean Hannity clip. It sounds exactly like someone I was arguing with over this issue on another forum.

"BUT he listened to his sermons for 20 years, he is most likely a bigoted racist like his pastor! I'm not saying he is, but what if he is?!"

dionysus said:
On point a, Obama has previously claimed he is a devout Christian. Well a devout Christian goes to church and would understand all his pastor's beliefs. Something doesn't add up. I personally think most politicians in either party are lying hypocrites, so Obama probably, like most politicians, uses church to drum up votes. In this scenario, it is quite reasonable to believe that Obama wasn't fully aware of his religious mentor's beliefs.

I'd think the only views Obama should agree with his pastor on are religious views...

On point c, what the hell? This is offensive to me. He basically tosses his grandma under the bus for political gain. Yes, grandma's views are bigoted. But choosing as a conscious adult to be mentored by a blatant racist and being raised by a woman who loves you who has a mild form of bigotry are completely different things. The key point here is that you choose your pastor, you don't choose your family. Moreover, Wright's bigotry is exponential more racist than grandma's. Moreover, I think politicians (again many do this in both parties) who use their family for political gain are slimeballs. I would never insult my family, true or not, if I was in trouble in my job.

Hey, it's like the gaming side has taken over OT. I guess NeoGAF will never change as people only read headlines.
 
harSon said:
Yes, Obama planned a preemptive strike for the presidency over 20 years ago.

Because his first step was to become president, right?

From wikipedia, "A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004."

Sounds like he was always on the political career ladder.

Edit. You edited your response.

On your first point, from what I have read on Wrights views. His hatred of America and Whitey were in fact core principles of his religious doctrine.

On your second quote, care to refute me in some way other than implying I didn't read the speech, which I did by the way.
 
Absinthe said:
What a colossal fuck up. As a white person, that definitely offends me.

MAN GTFO with that dumb talk. HE WAS SAYING SHE's an everyday average white person. He was pointing out that she wasn't a racist person. That's the damn point. She is an everyday person.

Why the f*ck can't people see this shit?
 
mckmas8808 said:
That's some BS. He didn't say that. He said "due to her experiences" she may have a certain reaction to people of other races. The important part was "due to her experiences".
Too late. people who only read headlines win.
 
dionysus said:
Because his first step was to become president, right?

From wikipedia, "A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004."

Sounds like he was always on the political career ladder.

Edit. You edited your response.

On your first point, from what I have read on Wrights views. His hatred of America and Whitey were in fact core principles of his religious doctrine.

On your second quote, care to refute me in some way other than implying I didn't read the speech, which I did by the way.

I didn't edit my initial statement, I added the bit about Lou "Shit head" Dobbs.
 
Man, one of the most satisfying things about Obama being sworn-in as president will be the reactions from these shit-eating pundits, bigots, and racists, and partisan hacks from all around the country. They will see that America doesn't give a fuck about them or their veiled, slimey hatred and divisiveness anymore.
 
Slurpy said:
Man, one of the most satisfying things about Obama being sworn-in as president will be the reactions from these shit-eating pundits, bigots, and racists, and partisan hacks from all around the country. They will see that America doesn't give a fuck about them or their veiled, slimey hatred and divisiveness anymore.

I dunno, they're running a pretty hard campaign of Obama being a racist white-hater and America-hater.
 
Lou Dobbs is going to include Obama's latest quote in his discussion regarding race in an hour. Lou Dobb's baseless and blatant disdain for Obama never ceases to amaze me :lol
 
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