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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group

So let me get this straight.

I have a little interest in the politics, but not being American am not following it all too closely. From what I can tell he's a Trump supporter who was soliciting donations to the campaign that he'll match via an 'organisation' that is somehow connected to some poor taste Pepe memes on 4chan. It turned out he didn't raise much money.

It's kinda sounds like a non-event, no? Or am I missing something?
 
cyberheater said:
Try not to talk bollocks.

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It's getting plenty of coverage on Reddit.
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In fairness, it isn't on my front page at all - and it isn't on the front of /all either.
 
Obliterator said:
That's why I won't be voting at all in this election. There is no candidate I find capable of leading this country in the right direction.

And before I get the "Not voting is a vote for Trump!" No its not. If this country is asinine enough to put Trump into power then godspeed and can't believe we let it get to this point. But I'm not casting a vote for Hilary either.

I may vote to honor those that fought for my right to Vote, but I'll just write in my own ballet
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pixellated_man said:
Good on you mate. None of the main, viable candidates deserve your vote. Sure, one could argue Hilary is less bad than Trump, but if one is to be truly principled they wouldn't vote for either. The lesser of two evils argument is a copout in my opinion.
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I read a post here that I really liked. Voting is not a moral act, a vote is a contribution to what future you want for your local area/country/whatever. Treating it like your pride or principles are more important than creating a better future for yourself, and more importantly, the other people who need help, is incredibly selfish.

Hell even if the race is between Kang and Kodos, and Kang's offering 5 minute breaks every hour while we toil in the plutonium mines of Neo-America, while Kodos is offering a full lunch hour, I'm voting Kodos. Because that's an outcome I'd prefer so I'll vote to make it happen.
 
He's probably done. Its reaching over the Atlantic. I see it on local tabloids in Netherlands as well.

Facebook has to come out with something. And it clashes with Zuckerberg also, though political opinions should be a private matter this is still a bad situation for OR.
 
besada said:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/23/oculus-rift-vr-palmer-luckey-trump-shitposts

The Telepgraph is already covering it, Business Insider, Wired, Huff Po, etc. It's already escaped the video game/VR box.
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I know everyone is horrified but that title and blurb in the article are something amazing straight out of the onion.

TheGuardian said:
Oculus Rift founder Palmer Luckey spends fortune backing pro-Trump 'shitposts'

Facebook’s virtual reality headset creator is secret backer of a group dedicated to Donald Trump support through ‘meme magic’
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Politics in 2016 folks.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Get over yourself, I am asking questions for God's sake. Heaven forbid i do that before rushing to judgement. How awful of me.
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Sorry, just got annoyed since we had been discussing exactly what the issue is for pages now. But yes I do understand reading through it all is not exactly reasonable for everyone in the middle of a work day.
 
xamidoxhua said:
I have a little interest in the politics, but not being American am not following it all too closely.

It's kinda sounds like a non-event, no? Or am I missing something?
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Everyone in the world knows about Donald Trump and his policies.

Unless you don't watch the news.
 
Mahonay said:
Nope. One candidate is way fucking worse than the other.

It's Trump
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Yup. Withholding your vote from Hillary is almost just as bad as voting for Trump. If anyone thinks Hillary is just as bad as Trump....they've lost their damn mind. Realpolitik. His camp knows that by spreading lies and misinformation about her this very thing will happen. People just won't vote. That's the worst possible outcome. Don't think you're above it by sticking to your morals. You just don't understand the enormity of that decision.
 
pixellated_man said:
Exactly why I never vote. Every single one who comes to power breaks promises or starts an immoral war somewhere in the world. I don't want to be responsible for the horrible things these people do when they become leader. Lesser of two evils argument does not wash me of the part I play in enabling these people into power.
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My parents always told me that if you don't vote, you can't complain about things you don't like in the country or politics. This isn't a discussion you should be having.
 
pixellated_man said:
Good on you mate. None of the main, viable candidates deserve your vote. Sure, one could argue Hilary is less bad than Trump, but if one is to be truly principled they wouldn't vote for either. The lesser of two evils argument is a copout in my opinion.
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You guys are insane. It's not the lesser of two evils it's one of them is psychopath and by not voting you're okay with letting a racist, sexist, psychopathic scumbag lead our country.

On topic I will never ever purchase a Rift. Ever. Vive and PSVR for me.
 
Giftofgab24 said:
Yup. Withholding your vote from Hillary is almost just as bad as voting for Trump. If anyone thinks Hillary is just as bad as Trump....they've lost their damn mind. Realpolitik. His camp knows that by spreading lies and misinformation about her this very thing will happen. People just won't vote. That's the worst possible outcome. Don't think you're above it by sticking to your morals. You just don't understand the enormity of that decision.
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Thank you. Well said. Better than what I was barfing out.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
Which is fine, it sounds like some people don't think he should be able believe and support who he wants though and that is obviously different. Like i said, I am late to the thread and don't want to attribute anything to people without knowing more is all.
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This isn't about the first amendment, it's about a high profile near-billionaire in the tech industry and in charge of Facebook funding a white supremacist shitposting organization.

There is a line of morality that has been crossed. You have every right to support whoever you want, but when that person is New Wave Hitler, there is no agreement that private businesses or the general public needs to sit there and pat you on the back for being a precious snowflake with opinions.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I'm sure some people can, but that doesn't make them exempt from criticism. I'm sure there are some people that can see a terrible car accident happen right in front of them and not pull over to help, like, people that have the capacity to do that exist, but it doesn't mean they aren't complete assholes and shouldn't be treated as such.

Nobody is ruling that out. We are saying that those people are shit.
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Yes and I very much agree. Palmer is an asshole for doing this and should be called out for it. All I've been saying is that giving alcohol to drunk driver doesn't make you a drunk driver, it just makes you an asshole.

But it's a position that draws a lot of ire so i won't pursue it further here.
 
Mahonay said:
I'm sorry but you are a bad citizen.
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bigwinnerx said:
Then you have no place in a political discussion.
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Gestault said:
I don't mean to just point this at you, but this post reads exactly like those "I've never heard of Anita Sarkeesian, but [obvious character assassination formatted to look like a question from an outsider]" tactic that still crops up in threads around that topic. Like, honestly, do you not understand the premise for people's objection to active lobbying associated with white nationalist/supremacist causes? If your question were sincere, wouldn't you just read the thread?
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Nope, totally fair and I am reading it but it is 36 pages long is all and I just wanted more info is all as it is hard to keep up as it is moving fast with lots of comments which is great!

The cause is awful, I'd think most people would agree. I'm just looking for more info, Wasn't passively supporting.
 
Do people honestly think Palmer is some kind of exception? I have no doubt that there are many higher ups at well known tech companies that secretly support Trump. There's probably more than a few at Facebook itself. Money makes people crazy.
 
the mental backflips it must take for morally upstanding citizens to support someone who voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act.

no wonder she is doing so shitty. she's running against "literally Hitler" and barely holding on.
 
Mahonay said:
Wiping your hands clean and claiming none of it is your problem is a totally fine stance to have when issues like institutionalized racial segregation are at stake?
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That's your opinion. His might be different. Casting dispersions on him for exercising his right is bad whether you agree with why he is doing it or not.
 
Adam_Vania said:
the mental backflips it must take for morally upstanding citizens to support someone who voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act.

no wonder she is doing so shitty. she's running against "literally Hitler" and barely holding on.
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The mental backflips people do so they can post from their ivory tower about how better they are over other voters.
 
Adam_Vania said:
the mental backflips it must take for morally upstanding citizens to support someone who voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act.

no wonder she is doing so shitty. she's running against "literally Hitler" and barely holding on.
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Like, 2 people didn't vote for the Iraq War it's a complete non-issue at this point, not only that but she's said it was a bad decision.
 
lol Hilary is a saint compared to Trump.

Make no mistake, Trump is a genuine psychopath, a madman if you will. He's the kind of guy you'd expect to turn up in some underdeveloped country somewhere far away. The things that guy says, and the horrible events he uses to enforce is own agenda are sickening. He's a hate monger.
 
Mahonay said:
I'm sorry but you are a bad citizen.
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It's just sad to see people say this. Not voting is the worst thing ever. There's a lot more elections than just the presidential election. It's exactly what Trumps camp wants. By withholding your vote you're essentially saying that Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are just as bad as Donald Trump. That's insanity. The Republicans haven't even voted on the Supreme Court justice nominee yet. They're holding it hostage until after the election. That might have a bigger impact on our society than the president does. If you're only reason for voting is to get Marrick Garland in his seat on the Supreme Court that's reason enough. Putting a nomination on hold like this has never happened in our history. They're holding the entire country hostage and it seems like no one gives a shit.
 
ah we're at the part where the edgy kids come in and brag about not voting, beautiful. someday you'll grow up and lament how many times you squandered a right that hundreds of thousands died to protect.
 
Mahonay said:
Sorry, just got annoyed since we had been discussing exactly what the issue is for pages now. But yes I do understand reading through it all is not exactly reasonable for everyone in the middle of a work day.
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To be fair on my part, I probably took your comment in the wrong way too. I find acts that separate rather bring people together as terrible things that should rebelled against but I do believe in free speech (even when I hate what a person is saying). As it was posted above, it may have looked like I was passively supporting it which is what you may have thought I meant. I can assure you I didn't. Likely just a communication issue where no harm was meant. I apologize as well.

Btw,Mahoney was the best on police academy! Well, after high tower
 
pixellated_man said:
Exactly why I never vote. Every single one who comes to power breaks promises or starts an immoral war somewhere in the world. I don't want to be responsible for the horrible things these people do when they become leader. Lesser of two evils argument does not wash me of the part I play in enabling these people into power.
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Dude, you enable the people in power just by being a citizen. Do you work? Do you pay yearly taxes? Do you buy anything that has sales tax?

Just by living in the US, you are contributing to the nation. There's no such thing as a bystander. You're literally just agreeing that you'll contribute to whoever comes in power no matter to who it is or what they believe while trying to hide in the corner like a coward with his fingers in his ears.

Yes, even a third-party vote is better than no vote at all.
 
SkylineRKR said:
lol Hilary is a saint compared to Trump.

Make no mistake, Trump is a genuine psychopath, a madman if you will. He's the kind of guy you'd expect to turn up in some underdeveloped country somewhere far away. The things that guy says, and the horrible events he uses to enforce is own agenda are sickening. He's a hate monger.
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There's a perfect word for him. A demagogue.

It encapsulates everything about the trump presidential run.
 
Cant say I am entirely shocked. Would like to think maybe we are missing something but this just seems like the kind of dumb Paulmer would do

Nzyme32 said:
In fairness, it isn't on my front page at all - and it isn't on the front of /all either.
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/r/The_Donald was done a real impressive job locking /all down as their own.


But the people in charge of Reddit are way to complicit with that kind of shit but I guess if you stop companies paying marketing furms to spam shit then half their business would go.
 
One thing I'd love to get a actual reply to

How can a Trump support not be racist? Even if you personally don't have racist thoughts or opinions, you're still supporting a candidate that does. You're still supporting someone that wants to take rights away from minorities. Even if you don't think "Muslims should die", you're still supporting a candidate that wants to murder them.

You're literally ok with taking rights aways of minorities because there's a policy or two from Trump that personally benefit you. You think your minor personal benefit is greater than the basic human rights of minorities. How in HELL IS THAT NOT RACIST? Shit man, in some levels it makes you a much more disgusting piece of shit than the ones that genuinely believe the racist garbage he spews.
 
spekkeh said:
Yes and I very much agree. Palmer is an asshole for doing this and should be called out for it. All I've been saying is that giving alcohol to drunk driver doesn't make you a drunk driver, it just makes you an asshole.

But it's a position that draws a lot of ire so i won't pursue it further here.
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Giving alcohol to a driver makes you an accomplice, and in the end you're supporting drunk driving, even if you're not actively engaging in the act. Same deal with supporting a racist.
 
Trogdor1123 said:
To be fair on my part, I probably took your comment in the wrong way too. I find acts that separate rather bring people together as terrible things that should rebelled against but I do believe in free speech (even when I hate what a person is saying). As it was posted above, it may have looked like I was passively supporting it which is what you may have thought I meant. I can assure you I didn't. Likely just a communication issue where no harm was meant. I apologize as well.
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Hooray for level heads. I get way too heated when this topic comes up and I have to reel myself in time to time.
 
Kurdel said:
The lack of Facebook messaging means there is a 3 hour long conference call going on somewhere and people are scrambling lawyers.
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Yes. This seems likely.

There is only two ways this can go.

They either have to prove that the dailybeast article is a lie and defamation and sue the crap out of them or Lucky needs to go immediately.
 
pixellated_man said:
Good on you mate. None of the main, viable candidates deserve your vote. Sure, one could argue Hilary is less bad than Trump, but if one is to be truly principled they wouldn't vote for either. The lesser of two evils argument is a copout in my opinion.
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Heh, you sound like a Nader 2000 voter. "omg Al Gore isn't a super-liberal so there's no difference between him and George Bush! Down with the establishment!!"

And then we found out all too well just how much of a difference there was between Dubya and Gore but since super-liberals couldn't get their GMO-free hemp clothing bankrolled by the feds then nothing else mattered.

I wonder how many poor people or minorities see no difference between clinton and an openly racist and dangerously ignorant and unqualified candidate seizing control of the world for at least 4 years. I never used to believe in the concept of privilege as propagated by those on the far left, but the far left itself is showing in this election that they are by far the most privileged of all. "If we can't get our wall street-funded pot brownies then fuck all those millions of people who we only pretend to care about in self-stroking facebook posts! Their lives are not worth my holy vote!"
 
Seventy70 said:
Do people honestly think Palmer is some kind of exception? I have no doubt that there are many higher ups at well known tech companies that secretly support Trump. There's probably more than a few at Facebook itself. Money makes people crazy.
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I'd like to think that is over fiscal matters, not social ones. Hard to really say when we have zero evidence one way or the other, as opposed to this info.
 
Adam_Vania said:
a saint personally responsible for torture and deaths around the world
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Look, lots of us aren't thrilled with Hillary. That image goes around showing that a lot of people are voting her for because she isn't Trump.

But a flawed candidate is better than one I don't trust with nuclear codes. A flawed candidate with baggage is better than a thin skinned tyrant who can't respond to criticism without childish tantrums. A flawed candidate with baggage who has a history of public service is far better than a racist, xenophobic, nationalistic, freedom-stealing narcissist any day of the week. There's not comparison. What good has Trump ever done for this country? Name one thing.
 
Was about to say that Trump is going to take torture to the next level if he's to be believed. Probably opens up another black site or 2.
 
xamidoxhua said:
So let me get this straight.

I have a little interest in the politics, but not being American am not following it all too closely. From what I can tell he's a Trump supporter who was soliciting donations to the campaign that he'll match via an 'organisation' that is somehow connected to some poor taste Pepe memes on 4chan. It turned out he didn't raise much money.

It's kinda sounds like a non-event, no? Or am I missing something?
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When you're responsible for building technology being touted as a huge step for humanity, the discovery of the fact that you deny the humanity of the vast majority of this world's population is not a "non-event."
 
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