DryvBy
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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
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Then it's already happening?
Heckler456
Banned
No, I'm not focused on it. I think it's worth mentioning, and mentioning it doesn't take away from me arguing against the ignorance that Trump represents. It's a little ridiculous to pretend like taking a second to call a discrepancy like that out, and moving on from it, takes away any actual time.
GreatestHits
Member
In reality it does.
Now is not the time to scrutinize stereotyped statements that do a great job pointing out the blindness of Trump supporters. Though you're right (in that in that picture he's syerotyping us white people), I have no problem with that. You'd be an idiot to think he's not embellishing due to the problem at hand
Already Torn
Banned
As seen in the U.K., having racist parties in the highest ranking government positions encourages and validates racists nation-wide. Thus you see an increase in ratially-motivated crimes without any policy changes at all.
where are we saying he doesn't have a right to
Yeah... I've tried arguing it with him. He's absolutely convinced that Trump won't be able to do anything anyways and that Hillary would be so she's the bigger threat. I suspect he sees Trump's childlike plans and is only thinking about those and not about other ramifications (like the fact that Trump is really only being straightforward about what the Republicans party wants and with him in charge they'll get what they want. The only reason a lot of them dislike him is because he's too honest and they know it's not good PR to be that blatant).
Militant17
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So you really think that as a politician, with all her shady dealings and connections, that she is not part of the same corrupt system that's in place? The fact that she's CLEARLY the better candidate in comparison to Trump, which she is, doesn't change the fact that she's the same kind of corrupt politician everyone's used too.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Vive and PSVR will crush this guy anyway... So bye.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Well I can see some people believe the account isn't palmers, but go look at his twitter likes and it would t surprise me one bit. Guy is fucking crazy.
Also to the people who are saying Clinton and Trump are equally bad are delusional at best. Clinton isn't perfect and I would have preferred Biden to run personally. But she will do a far better job than Trump no question. She doesn't have policies that are unconstitutional and don't specifically harm minority's. She is far smarter than he is and probably has a better more realistic view of the world than probably any republican in office right now.
Also to the people who are saying Clinton and Trump are equally bad are delusional at best. Clinton isn't perfect and I would have preferred Biden to run personally. But she will do a far better job than Trump no question. She doesn't have policies that are unconstitutional and don't specifically harm minority's. She is far smarter than he is and probably has a better more realistic view of the world than probably any republican in office right now.
WrenchNinja
Member
You have a right to be a racist asshole. But people are going to criticise you for it. Don't like it? Tough.
What memes did they produce? Could someone link me some? I could only find the "too big for jail" meme. Wich isnt funny, and has no statement whatsoever, besides look at her, look at this ugly woman, isn´t she ugly?
I mean. That´s your point? I would take an ugly ass not-psychopath over the psychopath all all the time.
Also one of the 2 articles in their archive on their Nimble America Homepage:
BEFORE THEY CAN REACH THE AMERICAN DREAM, MANY MIGRANT WOMEN HAVE TO SURVIVE A MEXICAN NIGHTMARE.
Raise your Hand, if you believe this HEADLINE in capital letters isnt blatant flatout racism.
I mean. That´s your point? I would take an ugly ass not-psychopath over the psychopath all all the time.
Also one of the 2 articles in their archive on their Nimble America Homepage:
BEFORE THEY CAN REACH THE AMERICAN DREAM, MANY MIGRANT WOMEN HAVE TO SURVIVE A MEXICAN NIGHTMARE.
Raise your Hand, if you believe this HEADLINE in capital letters isnt blatant flatout racism.
what did palmer luckey make?
theindieboy
Member
To be honest I could not see white supremacy stuff other than the question (which is not that clear what the point is), so feel the title is a bit of a stretch, but yeah some of the stuff posted looks to be racist, offensive etc actually got followed by an account yesterday on twitter whos feed was pretty much all this content, was not a fan. Hate to say in a modern election this is probably a very smart way to influence people, which in itself is a worrying as the content.
I mean i have no idea why Palmer Lucky would come out and confirm it was him etc. seems like public opinion suicide if not professional, you only have to hear the stories Colin Moriarty tells about being an open (sensible fiscally conservative but social liberal) republican to know the gaming industry/press is super liberal, and how this more than once closed doors for him or he got treated very differently. But he left the party after many years because of Trump and his message, was always more libertarian anyway.
To be clear i think the content is disgusting (I do in no way condone it!) but most is protected as free speech (unless inciting racial violence or straight up slander) and thin everyone has the right to support the political action groups of there choosing, no mater how stupid. But they also have to understand what will happen when it becomes public, that is the checks and balances. Personally i think it was a stupid move for someone in his position in the games/tech industry, but totally his right to do so!
Will be very interested to see how this unfolds unless they spent more than 50% on campaign stuff dont think there is anything remotely illegal going on so depends on what facebook do really to have any real impact on his life.
I mean i have no idea why Palmer Lucky would come out and confirm it was him etc. seems like public opinion suicide if not professional, you only have to hear the stories Colin Moriarty tells about being an open (sensible fiscally conservative but social liberal) republican to know the gaming industry/press is super liberal, and how this more than once closed doors for him or he got treated very differently. But he left the party after many years because of Trump and his message, was always more libertarian anyway.
To be clear i think the content is disgusting (I do in no way condone it!) but most is protected as free speech (unless inciting racial violence or straight up slander) and thin everyone has the right to support the political action groups of there choosing, no mater how stupid. But they also have to understand what will happen when it becomes public, that is the checks and balances. Personally i think it was a stupid move for someone in his position in the games/tech industry, but totally his right to do so!
Will be very interested to see how this unfolds unless they spent more than 50% on campaign stuff dont think there is anything remotely illegal going on so depends on what facebook do really to have any real impact on his life.
Interfectum
Gold Member
If you vote for Trump there's a good chance you're a racist asshole. Also, Palmer has the right to vote for whoever he wants as I have the right to not support anything he's attached to. I don't think anyone on GAF is trying to take away his rights here.
Specialmias
Member
The thing is too, look at Palmer's girlfriends twitter. It's quite open about how THEY feel about those groups of people. Trump aside.
Without even trying I pulled this one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nikkimoxxi/status/712404254976249857
Again this is about supporting Oculus VR and Oculus products, do WE as a diverse gaming community want to keep doing so. Hell, you might think trump is the bees knees, fuck it then support Oculus 100%.
Trump's plans would GREATLY increase the scope of this kind of action against Muslims and people from the Middle East.
You know there was a time in Germany where people were just mean to a certain ethnic/religious group. And then a certain guy came into power and made it the law...
AmuroChan
Member
Not familiar with the political landscape in UK. Is the government equally inept over there too?
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
Right, because this thread has totally been about games.
ColdDeckEd
Member
That's funny because all Trump ever does is demonize the opposition.
Both main parties are have large internal conflicts and have no idea how to handle Brexit.
Already Torn
Banned
Since the whole Brexit thing (which was motivated by anger at an influx of immigrants from the EU), the U.K. has seen a large increase in hate crimes against anyone perceived as migrants that I believe is still continuing.
Heckler456
Banned
The worst thing is, they're co-opting an actual issue for their racist rhetoric.
DryvBy
Member
But it's already happening? Why isn't our current administration doing anything about this?
Pellegri Testament
Member
If that nominee is Donald Trump, yes, yes you are. Unless you plan to actually get up in front of the class and give a well thought out explanation on how he's not actually racist or how supporting a racist doesn't mean you condone racism, then i'd suggest not taking this kind of stance.
This is all Trump fucking does man, are you seriously not able to see that?
The current republican nominee is a racist asshole.
If you intend to vote for him, with full knowledge of who he is, and willfully ignore the fact that you are supporting someone who is a racist asshole, there comes a point that by association you are tolerating, condoning or even supporting racism.
At this point in the election this isn't up for debate.
This isn't about his right to support or fund hate-speech, he certainly has the right to do so. But we have the right to condemn him for doing so.
So the solution is to elect the guy who will make it much worse? What the hell are you trying to argue?
You have the right, but it doesn't mean people are going to like you.
And to financially back a group that makes white supremacist and anti-semitic memes and ads shows some real colors about the individual and what they stand for. Because no one would fund that unless they were racist and believed in white nationalism/supremacy themselves.
You mean, literally every tactic the alt right use, including Luckey by demonizing people who are not them? Funding a group with racist, white supremacist leanings is not a way to open any form of civil discussion.
No, people are not going to call you a racist asshole for voting Red. They'll question you for supporting Trump however. People who vote for their party candidate without question "just because" make a mockery of democracy.
In the US you can vote for the republicans you actually like in Senate, Congress and state elections. Do that, sure, but supporting Trump just because he won the GOP ticket and thus isn't a Democrat? That's partisanship taken too far.
Every government around the world is perceived as inept and corrupt. Which brings me the question: "are all governments around the world inept or are people putting too much faith and expectations in what a government can and should do?"
Dreamwriter
Member
Palmer Luckey hasn't ever publically stated any support for any such policies; people can support Trump without supporting those policies. As for Twitter, I don't think Palmer has ever given a single disparaging remark about those groups of people. You're mixing him up with his girlfriend.
Having said that, I separate the art from the artist. In the past, for example, Orson Scott Card has said sone pretty bad things, but I still love his books. Walt Disney was not a good guy, I still watch Disney movies and plan to go to Disneyland. In this case, supporting or buying the Rift isn't really supporting Palmer Luckey, since he sold the company to Facebook. He got his money already, Facebook gets all the profits.
You think calling people who support a racist asshole, racist assholes, is a bigger threat to democracy than a racist asshole being president.
I would have loved to have seen pre WWII GAF, "So now you are a white supremacist if you support the Nazi party? This tendency to instantly demonize the opposition is a bigger threat to German democracy than Hitler will ever be."
User Name Here
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How do I not know of what? Rumors spread throughout the net?
I heard about that, but I don't see anything that she intentionally and specifically did. The closest I got was info about a few deals they made with Haiti that didn't go well. Interesting that you brought that up though.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/23/849886/-
Specialmias
Member
See, this is the kind of discussion we should be having in this thread. Not about the general politics of it. Hell, I'll even concede to agree with you we shouldn't be linking the two. However, there were reports a few months back from people who have met him that he's fiercely conservative.
Glass Shark
Banned
If you want a well-established racist asshole to lead our nation, you are a racist asshole yourself. Full stop. No one is making a leap in logic here. It's very clear what Donald Trump believes, and supporting him is supporting those toxic beliefs whether you like it or not.
Please check his twitter likes and get back to us.
Aces&Eights
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°°ToMmY°°;217847237 said:
Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ninja Scooter
Member
So he supports a shithead racist, and dates a shithead racist, but he's totally not a racist. Ok guy.
As to your second point, good for you. Some people might feel differently about separating the art from the artist. Some people have more to lose with an issue like this and might feel more passionate about it. That doesn't make them any better or worse than you.
I feel 100% comfortable and confident in saying that anybody who supports Trump is a total piece of shit.
It's not something that current administration encourages, supports, or condones in any way shape or form.
Trump wants that as part of policy and law.
There's a big difference.
Nice to see this pic coming to life in this thread.
For anyone saying this image is false, data shows otherwise:
Trump's support among white men is absurdly and disturbingly high.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
It's the instant demonization of the other side as racist that I'm lamenting here. Know doubt, Trump has some policies that could be considered racist. That's why I'm not voting for him. But to immediately mindread Pamler and KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he too is racist -- well, that's going to far for me. Trump also has policies on non-interventionism abroad, trade deals, the supreme court, etc., that have nothing to do with race. Maybe those are the things that appeal to Palmer. The thing is, we just don't know. Immediately calling him a racist just because he supports Trump is unfair and nonconstructive.
No he's not publically stated anything...until now. Did you read his post as NimbleRichMan? Dude is scum. If you want to separate his product from him fine but don't blame people for not doing the same.
CambriaRising
Member
In this election? Absolutely.
WhateverItTakes
Banned
When the Republican party starts treating the rights of women, minorities, and LGBTQ people with respect, and start a meaningful dialogue to help those groups with their issues, then you can have a nice discussion. Until then, supporters of a party with such ass-backwards and hurtful policies will get shut down for supporting them. Don't like it? Try and make the Republican Party something worth standing for because right now it represents something horrible.
Putting white people above everyone else is white supremecy by definition. It sounds harsh because of the association with the KKK and other groups but it's just calling a spade a spade. And I can't really see how Hillary is making moves to keep whites 'on top' so to speak.
Pellegri Testament
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They are voting in someone who does support said policies though. What you believe you are voting for means fuck all if you are voting someone in who goes against your beliefs. You don't get to pick and choose what a candidate does, just because you "believe" differently than they do. You get the entire package when you vote someone into office, whether you like it or not.
Wat? By supporting trump they /are/ supporting those policies. Of course they may not agree with them, however if the apathy they feel towards them is enough for them not to care about that, then that is just as shitty in my book. I may not agree with Clinton on many things, but racism and sexism at the level of Trump is a huge line in the sand for me.
No they can't.