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Official 2007 MLB Thread - The quest for another .500 champion

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Back to back sweeps by the M's!
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
Jays are ****ing pathetic that's only reason why you swept.

Or maybe it's because the Mariners are FUCKING AWESOME? We did sweep Boston, too, you know.

Yeah, I think my answer is the right one. Go M's!!
 
The Frankman said:
How in the hell does John Maine NOT make the All-Star team? 9-4 with a sub 3 ERA isn't good enough? Seriously?

Better question is how Hamels DOES when Snell, Maine, Young, Gorzelanny, Lowe, etc are all better choices.
 
According to ESPN, since May 22nd, the Mariners have the best record in baseball.

edit: Another outstanding performance from Weaver! The guy still scares me, but man, he sure has turned things around in the last three or four starts.
 
Eminem said:
hahaha Torre is an idiot. Mike Myers has been getting pounded by lefties all year you say? BRING HIM IN TO FACE 3 LEFTIES!

lol :(

The Red Sox have got to have one of the worst offensive BABIP in the league. Soooo many smoked liners right at people.

Don't worry, they will get their confidence back. They are playing with swagger, but they are missing confidence.

McCann an All Star

the all star game is a farce. and it should be cancelled.

There is justice in this world, J.J. Putz is an All-Star!!

You should not want your pitcher on the all star team.

Better question is how Hamels DOES when Snell, Maine, Young, Gorzelanny, Lowe, etc are all better choices.

Because Snell, Maine, Young, Gorzelanny, Lowe, and Mr. Etc. are going to take some delicious time off in the Carribean!
 
Joe said:
cashman's still on my good side. it is definitely time for the girardi-era though.

I have a lot of respect for Joe Torre and what he's accomplished with the Yankees over the years but it's pretty obvious that the way he manages isn't working with the current Yankees.
 
Brian McCann? Really? Ok... I would have gone with either Chipper or Edgar, but I guess so. McCannimal HAS been hurt most of the season and has started to tear it up lately, but still...

Also, I grudgingly extend respect TonyLaRussa's way for not stacking the team with Cards as reserves. Pujols was totally reasonable and will in fact be their only representative.
 
Voting runs through Thursday on MLB.com for the final roster spot in each league. Competing with Okajima in the AL are Detroit pitcher Jeremy Bonderman, the Angels' Kelvim Escobar, Toronto's Roy Halladay and Minnesota's Pat Neshek. The NL five are Pittsburgh pitcher Tom Gorzelanny, Houston's Roy Oswalt, Arizona's Brandon Webb, San Diego's Chris Young and the Cubs' Carlos Zambrano

The top write-in vote totals were for Detroit's Curtis Granderson (376,000) and Cincinnati's Josh Hamilton (151,000).

Some of the most notable snubs included NL MVP Ryan Howard of the Phillies, Atlanta shortstop Edgar Renteria and New York Mets pitcher John Maine. In the AL, Granderson and Gary Sheffield missed out despite excellent numbers.

Howard, who might participate in the Home Run Derby, understood why he was bypassed.

"I can't make it every year," he said. "I was hurt for part of the first half. I don't know if that's why I didn't make it or not."
Well, get ready to start voting!
 
Hargrove steps down unexpectedly!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


That fool resigned today!

Hargrove, who managed Sunday's game against Toronto, will be succeeded by John McLaren, his bench coach. McLaren's first game will be Monday against Kansas City.
"There are no dark, sinister reasons for this decision. This has been my decision," the 57-year-old Hargrove said about 90 minutes before his final game with Seattle.

"I've daily challenged my players to give me the best that they've got, 100 percent of what they've got that day - physically and mentally. And they've done that. Without fail, they've done that.

"I have never had to work at getting that level myself - ever - until recently. I've found that I've had to work harder in making that same commitment to my bosses, to my players and to my coaches. And that's not right," Hargrove said, turning away and choking back tears.

"They deserve better. They are good people. There is a good thing going on here. And it's time for me to leave."

Hargrove's voice often cracked. His eyes were moist and red, remnants of a meeting he called with stunned players moments earlier. He said he initially made his decision June 20, just after a six-game losing streak.

General manager Bill Bavasi said that on a scale of one to 10 on being caught off-guard, Hargrove's departure was "an 11." Hargrove agreed with Bavasi to delay leaving until the All-Star break, and Bavasi and McLaren tried to talk Hargrove into reversing his decision.
 
distantmantra said:
Yup. I posted all about it earlier today.

I just saw it on Foxsports. Wow that was from LF.. I mean I never liked the guy as a manager but we are playing some damn fine baseball right now under him so I am a little shocked by it...
 
Two trains of thought on Hargrove:


He approached management with a "Sign my extension now, or I am walking" .. kind of like Manual did with the Indians in 2002 (Indians let him go). Or Mike is suffering from some sort of illness (depression, high blood pressure, etc) and didn't want to announce it to the world.


I just hope next season he comes back to the Indians. I would love to see him in the organization again (he still has a home in the Cleveland area).
 
ToxicAdam said:
Two trains of thought on Hargrove:


He approached management with a "Sign my extension now, or I am walking" .. kind of like Manual did with the Indians in 2002 (Indians let him go). Or Mike is suffering from some sort of illness (depression, high blood pressure, etc) and didn't want to announce it to the world.


I just hope next season he comes back to the Indians. I would love to see him in the organization again (he still has a home in the Cleveland area).
I dunno, dude. I think Wedge is doing a hell of a job.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Two trains of thought on Hargrove:


He approached management with a "Sign my extension now, or I am walking" .. kind of like Manual did with the Indians in 2002 (Indians let him go). Or Mike is suffering from some sort of illness (depression, high blood pressure, etc) and didn't want to announce it to the world.


I just hope next season he comes back to the Indians. I would love to see him in the organization again (he still has a home in the Cleveland area).


Shoot I don't know. Any manager who still has the passion couldn't walk away from this type of a run. He might be ill.. and he might really not have anything left in the tank
 
ToxicAdam said:
C.C. Sabathia deserves to be the starting pitcher for the A.L.

Make it happen Leyland.

You misspelled "Danny Haren"
 
Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:
I dunno, dude. I think Wedge is doing a hell of a job.


No, not to take Wedge's job. But, more like in the front office .. or something cushy like that.

Thaedolus said:
You misspelled "Danny Haren"


Some CC stats:

116 K's vs 17 BB's == 1.14 WHIP

• Ranks 1st in AL in W (12)
• Ranks 1st in AL in IP (129.1)
• Ranks 3rd in AL in SO (116)
• Ranks 7th in AL in ERA (3.20)
• Ranks 8th in AL in WHIP (1.12)
• Ranks 2nd in AL in WPct (.857)
• Ranks 1st in AL in CG (2)

He had two games where he pitched 9 innings and did not get the decision (1-0 L and 0-0 tie, that was lost in extra innings). He feasibly could have had 14 wins right now ..

Not to take anything away from Haren. He is having a terrific year and will compete with CC for the Cy Young .. no doubt.
 
Hargrove is the first manager since at least 1900 to depart while his team was on a winning streak of at least eight games, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

this is why baseball is so hawt... because of stats like this!
 
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After his 4th K of the day, backup catcher Kelly Shoppach broke his bat over his leg. His teammates immortalized the bat over his locker.

It's says "Kelly "Quadzilla" Shoppach on Stop the Violence Day at the Jake".
 
ToxicAdam said:
Some CC stats:

116 K's vs 17 BB's == 1.14 WHIP

• Ranks 1st in AL in W (12)
• Ranks 1st in AL in IP (129.1)
• Ranks 3rd in AL in SO (116)
• Ranks 7th in AL in ERA (3.20)
• Ranks 8th in AL in WHIP (1.12)
• Ranks 2nd in AL in WPct (.857)
• Ranks 1st in AL in CG (2)

Some Haren stats:

First in ERA - 1.91
Second in WHIP - .94
First in BAA - .194
a 229 ERA+ compared to CC's 136
A DH of -14 compared to CC's 4
an NRA of 2.55 compared to CC's 3.46


...and that's just the beginning. Haren vs. Sabathia

Nothing against CC, but Haren is having a better year in pretty much every category and metric.
 
:lol arods wife on the front page of the post for wearing a shirt with "**** you" on the back of it at the game yesterday
 
Casa de Reggie Willits. Beisbol esta aqui!

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GRIT

scottnak said:
Forget 50, #1 in Baseball. Wooo!

And boo to no OC lovin' for the All Stars.
Orlando Cabrera is this year's recipient of "biggest snub" and really, unless you put every player in the All-Star game, somebody has to be snubbed. Sure, OC is having a better year than Texas short stop Michael Young. But remember, there needs to be at least one member of the Rangers on the squad to ensure an American League victory in addition to the rule of having each team represented. Yes, even the Devil Rays. So if Young was omitted, you would have to find some other member of the Rangers and the cupboard is a little bare.

They could have added Sammy Sosa (this is a fan game after all) in the outfield for Alex Rios, put in Troy Glaus for Mike Lowell and then added Cabrera. But that would violate the statute that indicates that 1/3 of the roster must be either Red Sox or Yankees. Mike Freaking Lowell. Hell, Chone Figgins would be a better pick than Lowell.
http://thehaternation.blogspot.com/2007/07/post-mortem.html
 
Eminem said:
Some Haren stats:

First in ERA - 1.91
Second in WHIP - .94
First in BAA - .194
a 229 ERA+ compared to CC's 136
A DH of -14 compared to CC's 4
an NRA of 2.55 compared to CC's 3.46


...and that's just the beginning. Haren vs. Sabathia

Nothing against CC, but Haren is having a better year in pretty much every category and metric.

oh SNAP! AL All Star Starter confirmed?
 
Nice to see the good guys get 4 All-Stars. Penny should start, but I wouldn't mind it if Peavy did instead. Anyone else would be an injustice though.
 
NWO said:
Why don't they just move Arod up to 3rd? Look at how many innings he has led off or had innings killed by the guy in front of him this season.

Wow I was right.

Arod leads the league in most at bats leading off an inning (not including lead off hitters).

Arod 76 ABS
Vlad 62 ABS
Ortiz 52 ABS

Oh yeah and if Cashman trades Arod and doesn't get back a shitload for it this team will be HORRIBLE for years to come. I don't give a shit how many teenagers he has in the minors. Pitchers can't hit and this team is loaded with single hitters with no power.
 
Hell, Chone Figgins would be a better pick than Lowell.

I wouldn't go this far.



Also, I have scout seats to the Sox game tonight, which is awesome because it might be Buehrle's last start as a White Sox player. His ovation is going to be pretty ****ing amazing.
 
This is some ****ing bullshit right here:

When Don Regole drove 120 miles from his Tucson home to watch his beloved Diamondbacks face the San Francisco Giants in Phoenix, he brought along nine banners directed at Barry Bonds.

The messages had a consistent theme: The Giants outfielder had cheated by using steroids, and that was bad for the game. One sign read, "Thou Shalt Not Covet Impure Gains." Another implored, "Stop inflating records," with a syringe injecting and pumping up the letters. A third, resembling a scoreboard, shouted, "... Bonds needs 756 days in jail," a reference to Bonds chasing Hank Aaron's career home-run record of 755.

But Regole never got to display his banners at Chase Field on April 27. When Diamondbacks employees at the entrance to the ballpark asked to view the signs he had stuffed in his backpack, Regole was told the posters weren't acceptable. The reason: They were in poor taste.

A month later, after Regole had written the team to complain, he got a letter from the Diamondbacks. One sentence caught his attention: "As Mr. Bonds approaches the homerun record, we have been asked by Major League Baseball to carefully screen the signs that are brought into the ballpark by our fans."

Regole's experience, as well as similar incidents occurring at ballparks across the nation, highlights the uneasiness of Major League Baseball as it tries to cope with the steroids cloud hanging over Bonds and the game. In some instances, fans have been unimpeded in their attacks on the Giants slugger. At other times, though, the image-conscious league has wielded its power to stifle some of the public dissent.

"It stinks that Major League Baseball would silence fans in hopes of A) letting revenues keep pouring into the game and B) silencing this whole steroids era and letting the controversy kind of slip by," Regole said in a recent phone interview.

Major League Baseball has issued no edicts regarding Bonds, and each team has discretion regarding signage and fan behavior, said spokesman Pat Courtney. As Bonds has closed in on the record, security officials for Major League Baseball have held conference calls with teams hosting the Giants to discuss potential problems, Courtney said, but the teams deal with cases on an individual basis.

Despite the reference to Major League Baseball in the letter to Regole, the Diamondbacks' decision was rooted in the team's own belief that the banners weren't in good taste, said team spokesman Shaun Rachau.

While home games at AT&T Park have provided a virtual sanctuary for Bonds, he has felt the wrath of fans on the road. In Boston, he was eviscerated by a chanting crowd that waved paper asterisks and held up signs that read, "Hey Barry! It's Not a Record. You Cheat," and "Call Hank Aaron and Say You're Sorry." In New York, asterisks and signs were ubiquitous, not to mention a steady stream of invective hurled his way. In Milwaukee, with baseball commissioner Bud Selig in attendance, a fan held up a sign that read, "756* Was it Worth it for An *."

At that same game, though, according to USA Today, security confiscated a banner that said, "Milwaukee Loves Hammerin' Hank, Not BALCO Barry."

In most cases, teams rely on a policy that requires banners and signs to be in good taste, or not in poor taste. On that warm April evening in Arizona, Regole, a graphic artist, thought his signs would make the cut.

He had secured a prime seat for the Diamondbacks-Giants game -- front row in the left-field bleachers, the better to attract Bonds' attention. He had crafted a distinct banner for each inning, and he had been careful to ensure that they conformed to the sign policy, avoiding obscenities or offensive language, and making them baseball-related.

In fact, when Diamondbacks employees asked to view his banners, Regole said he proudly pulled them out. He said he was stunned when told they weren't acceptable.

Coincidentally, the day after that experience in Phoenix, Regole received a letter from a friend in Los Angeles. The correspondence included a newspaper clipping about Tom Wilson, another baseball fan who felt his opinion was being stifled.

Wilson, a filmmaker, had seen the foam fingers that fans wave to signal their team is No. 1 and was struck with an idea: He would sell a foam asterisk. Wilson didn't want his product to be heavy-handed, smeared with derogatory comments about Bonds; rather, he wanted it to speak for itself, to give voice to fans troubled by Bonds' pursuit of the game's most hallowed record.

But Wilson ran into difficulties in getting the asterisk made. Among the foam companies he called was Rico Industries in Niles, Ill. Wilson said Rico turned him -- and his money -- down flat because it has a licensing agreement to make products for Major League Baseball.

Of Wilson's asterisk, sales coordinator Daniel Schack said, "We wouldn't be interested in that." Asked whether Rico's contract with Major League Baseball was a factor, Schack said, "I can't really elaborate any further."

After Wilson finally found a company to make the asterisk, he turned to sports retail stores in several major league cities, including Chicago, Cincinnati, Atlanta and San Diego. Again, they all had licensing agreements with Major League Baseball, Wilson said he was told, so they wouldn't sell his product.

"We wouldn't do that because of our connections to Major League Baseball and because we sell licensed stuff," said Luke, an employee at Chicago Sports and Novelty who refused to provide his last name and said he was not familiar with Wilson or his product.

"It's not that I think Major League Baseball intentionally is running collusion to keep me out of business," Wilson said. "But it's just the sheer weight of what they do, so that people would be so intimidated that they would not sell a product."

Baseball fan Daniel Kramer, creator of the BoycottBarry.com Web site, also has had varied experiences getting his products to the market.

He created T-shirts with a picture resembling Major League Baseball's logo of a ballplayer swinging a bat. In this case, the player was swinging a syringe, above the words "BoycottBarry.com" and "for the good of the game." Kramer, a Dodgers fan who lives in Los Angeles, also had black blindfolds made, with a lined-out hypodermic needle over each eye.

"This is not about a Dodger fan hating Barry," insisted the 25-year-old Kramer, who works in public affairs. "This is about a baseball fan loving baseball."

Kramer said he handed out shirts and blindfolds in New York, Boston, Phoenix, Denver, Houston and even San Francisco with no problems. In New York last month, Kramer said he distributed 6,000 blindfolds in 18 minutes.

But last year in Los Angeles, Kramer said he and several fans were kicked out of Dodger Stadium for wearing T-shirts and blindfolds that security deemed offensive. The group was not creating a disturbance, according to Kramer.

Camille Johnston, the Dodgers' senior vice president for communications, said the team bans all signage and works to foster a "fan-friendly environment. We don't want anybody inciting the crowd, and we think those kinds of things can cause an untenable atmosphere, so we would ask them to turn those T-shirts inside out or remove them."

Kramer said the BoycottBarry gang plans a presence at the All-Star Game in San Francisco, but he wouldn't elaborate.

"Other sports have figured it out, and baseball is still trying to hope that fans are stupid and will keep watching their teams being represented by dishonest achievements," Kramer said. "That's what all this activism is about -- this is wrong, and we're not OK with it. And if the commissioner and Congress and the players union are not doing anything about it, we will."

**** that shit and **** Bonds
 
bob_arctor said:
She may have been speaking directly to the NY Post. Back page has a "Trade A-Rod" banner.
tell that to the father who had to move seats because his 10 year old son was directly behind her :lol
 
Joe said:
tell that to the father who had to move seats because his 10 year old son was directly behind her :lol
I find it impossible to believe a 10 year old in New York City isn't intimately familiar with the word ****.
 
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