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Official April NBA thread - WNBA Draft is April 5th, Bish!
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ColdBlooded33 said:
Well Kenny Smith had David West as his Most Improved and while the Hornets don't suck it's not like they're an awesome team. Also, you have to take into account the injuries the Bobcats have went through (Okafor and May...I really think we had a shot for 30-35 wins if both were healthy...Wallace himself missed 10-12 games).
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ColdBlooded33 said:
who did he tie?
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Jazz!
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Kobe with another 50 point game. Yawn.
so is it a 2 man mvp race now between nash and kobe?
my vote goes to kobe. he's just done too much this year; the scoring title, 81 points, 62 points in 3 quarters against the mavs who only scored 61 in 4 quarters, and most importantly, got the shitty lakers into the playoffs and brought them 6 games above 500. no one expected the lakers to be where they are today, all their critics said they'd be a lottery team and would be lucky if they'd even be a 500 team. let's not forget all the laker records he's broke this year including the laker's season scoring record set by elgin baylor 42 yrs ago, which he broke tonight. and yes, he's making his team better. it took them some time but kobe's teammates are stepping up, lamar has had 2 triple doubles in a row, and kwame is finally living up to his potential.
my vote goes to kobe. he's just done too much this year; the scoring title, 81 points, 62 points in 3 quarters against the mavs who only scored 61 in 4 quarters, and most importantly, got the shitty lakers into the playoffs and brought them 6 games above 500. no one expected the lakers to be where they are today, all their critics said they'd be a lottery team and would be lucky if they'd even be a 500 team. let's not forget all the laker records he's broke this year including the laker's season scoring record set by elgin baylor 42 yrs ago, which he broke tonight. and yes, he's making his team better. it took them some time but kobe's teammates are stepping up, lamar has had 2 triple doubles in a row, and kwame is finally living up to his potential.
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Nash makes everyone around him better players. Kobe is a ball hog and makes no one look good besides himself. Nash could make the Lakers bench look like allstars if he was playing with them. The choice should be clear between those two.
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Cerebral Palsy said:
:lol
the MVP is between kobe and dirk, with the dark horse candidate being chauncey billups. and I'm a huge kobe hater, but like Bill Simmons, I know he'll deserve it if he's won it. honestly, Shinobi's list is great, but when I think of 3 people who are the MVP this year, it's those 3 because the first 2 have made the biggest impact on their teams' status, and Billups is simply the best player on the best team.
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Ninja Scooter said:
Yeah, it's hilarious how Kobe will get the Lakers to the playoffs just so they can get knocked out in the first round. MVP indeed.
Cerebral Palsy said:
i don't know about that. if nash were on the lakers, guys like lamar and smush would still hit bricks like they have all year with kobe. they're only doing well now cuz it took some guys all year to understand the offense.
there's making the team better, then there's putting the team on your shoulders. kobe has been doing the latter all year.
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Cerebral Palsy said:
"Word. I bought my fishing poll last week"
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Nash has Marion, a guy who himself has been getting some MVP consideration lately. Kobe's next best player is Odom, who has been mr. inconsistently for all but the last month of the season. He is also taking a team who's starting lineup has consisted of Mr. NBDL Smush Parker, Kwame "Biggest Bust Ever" Brown, and even Brian freaking Cook to the playoffs.
thirty said:
The easy counter to that is that most people expected the Suns to free fall after losing JJ to the Hawks and Amare missing most (and now basically all) of the regular season, and that Nash didn't even deserve to win last year. And instead he's gone on to have an even better season with a starting lineup that changed drastically from last season, while still gaining over 50 wins. Honestly, the Suns have exceeded expectations even more then the Lakers have this season.
After thinking about it some more, my final four for MVP would probably be Kobe, Nash, Dirk and Billups. I figure they'll be the top four vote getters (though Wade could figure in)...I'm just not sure about the order.
Even though Barkley and Kenny are usually wrong about teams (aside from the constant that the Knicks suck), I agree with them completely that Dirk will win MVP. He's the best player on what many consider one of the best teams in the West, and that's usually what it takes to be MVP.
I'm sick of hearing this brought up in Kobe's defense. He put himself in this position when he threw a tantrum to Lakers management over having to share the ball with other good players. The boy wanted his team to suck and is now reaping what he sewed.Ninja Scooter said:
I don't agree with a Nash MVP either, but Kobe zealotry in this forum is comical.
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Billips is the MVP
They scored over 100 points. What they needed was Nash's D... :lol :lolTheDuce22 said:
Billips? Fine just as long as Billups doesn't win it. 18.8 points, 42% shooting, 3 boards and 8.7 assists per game doesn't seem that special. Why should he get the award, because his team is loaded?PhoenixDark said:
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timmy said:
thats a bunch of bullshit but i don't feel like reliving 2 year old bullshit so whatever.
Nash is third in the NBA for turnover per game.TheDuce22 said:
Obviously a team isn't going to be as good and the offense won't run as smoothly without their point guard, especially one who is arguable the best.
Pellham said:
So Prince, Wallace, Wallace and Hamilton had nothing to do with it? It's all Billups. Record matters, but you have to take a look at the talent around a player as well.
timmy said:
Two years ago, we would have agreed with you but after looking back at it all, I stand behind Kobe. It wasn't about Kobe not wanting to share the ball with good players, it was about Kobe working harder than anyone else on the team. He's the first to practice and the last to leave. Kobe also works his ass off in the off-season too only to go to camp to a fat, out of shape Shaq (and Shaq does this every year). The same Shaq that would rather get surgery during the season rather than the off-season and the same Shaq that took his contract dispute on the court. So you can't blame Kobe for wanting to leave a team that was committed to Shaq, a Shaq that wasn't even committed to the Lakers.
With that said, it was the Lakers owner that got rid of Shaq and Phil Jackson, not Kobe. Jerry Buss said he got fan letters 5-to-1 favorring Kobe over Shaq. When you look at that, look at their ages, their work ethic, how could Buss or any owner favor Shaq over Kobe?
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thirty said:
no you're wrong. This team would have been better off having a fat, old Shaq with Slava Medvedenko and Kareem Rush as the next two best players. CHampionships here we come!
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Kobe should have signed with the Clippers. Then I'd be a fan.
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