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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)
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Follow up on the Henry bit...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...objectid=18745525&siteid=89520-name_page.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...objectid=18745525&siteid=89520-name_page.html
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Ronaldinho's injured and won't played for Europe tonight.
There's a small chance this game won't completely suck. There still won't be any real challenges, but with a (now) 22 man squad, rather than a stoppage every 5 minutes for substitutions we might just get two teams each half. Well, pretty much, there's three goalkeepers so they'd have to play half an hour each.
There's a small chance this game won't completely suck. There still won't be any real challenges, but with a (now) 22 man squad, rather than a stoppage every 5 minutes for substitutions we might just get two teams each half. Well, pretty much, there's three goalkeepers so they'd have to play half an hour each.
Rosicky, Hoyte and Flamini back for tomorrow - Hleb picked up a knee injury. Still no word on a possible Van Persie return date. I get the feeling he might be out for the rest of the season too.
My team for tomorrow:
------------------Lehmann-------------------
------Hoyte--Toure--Gallas--Clichy--------
--Ljungberg--Fabregas--Diaby--Rosicky--
--------------Walcott--Baptista--------------
I doubt Wenger agrees with putting Diaby in for Gilberto, but I think Gilberto deserves a rest and Diaby deserves a start. He could also rest Fabregas for a game of course.
My team for tomorrow:
------------------Lehmann-------------------
------Hoyte--Toure--Gallas--Clichy--------
--Ljungberg--Fabregas--Diaby--Rosicky--
--------------Walcott--Baptista--------------
I doubt Wenger agrees with putting Diaby in for Gilberto, but I think Gilberto deserves a rest and Diaby deserves a start. He could also rest Fabregas for a game of course.
Cornballer
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Angry Mourinho imposes media ban: "Until further notice I will not be available to the press except for TV and radio commitments around our matches"
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Wait...what's he angry at?
Cornballer
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Here's the rest of the article. I just posted the quote because I needed a reason to put up the sad Mourinho picture.
The Guardian said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Oh I see. It is quite annoying when the press report answers but not questions. They make it sound like Mourinho has just come out and said it'd be an honour to manage Madrid, like it's a big hint towards them. But if the press just asked him if he would ever like to manage Madrid, he doesn't want to piss off Chelsea or Madrid, so he says it'd be an honour but he's commited to Chelsea until 2010 at least.
You really can't win. Even if you refuse to answer they just assume that must mean there's something to hide. Staying away from the press altogether is your only hope.
You really can't win. Even if you refuse to answer they just assume that must mean there's something to hide. Staying away from the press altogether is your only hope.
Cornballer
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hadareud said:
My guess at Arsenal's team tomorrow:
----------------Lehmann---------------
---Hoyte-Gallas-Djourou-Traore-----
-Walcott-Fabregas-Diaby-Ljungberg-
---------Baptista----Aliadere----------
I don't think Rosicky is ready to start yet, just on the basis of match fitness. Clichy is suspended.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Well I think refusing to talk to them shows an awareness of how the press works here.
Can someone help me with Premiership betting? I'd ideally like a site which checks other sites for you (like William Hill, Ladbrokes etc.) to get the best odds on a match, but barring that just a list of reliable betting sites will do.
Can someone help me with Premiership betting? I'd ideally like a site which checks other sites for you (like William Hill, Ladbrokes etc.) to get the best odds on a match, but barring that just a list of reliable betting sites will do.
Cornballer
Member
There's a few sites that pull all of the odds on one page, but I don't know them off the top of my head. I think I usually find them by googling the appropriate terms, and they're not too much trouble to find.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Did Gabby Logan just say "Thank you Graham" to Mark Hughes?
I hear Hughes being an analyst is only a ruse tolet him tie up the signing of Ibrahimovic.
I hear Hughes being an analyst is only a ruse tolet him tie up the signing of Ibrahimovic.
:lolMama Smurf said:
I think she did, I was wondering as well at the time.
Mama Smurf said:
you can't want that. I think he's one of the most overrated players in recent memory. Just ask Martin O'Neill, he loves him too. I remember him ranting about him during the whole world cup :lol
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Well I certainly don't after watching him in that game.
I knew I'd hate it. Ronaldo's freekick was awesome, the first half wasn't as bad as I feared though not up to normal games, but god, that second half shitfest. I'll trust myself and not watch one of these exhibition matches next time.
I knew I'd hate it. Ronaldo's freekick was awesome, the first half wasn't as bad as I feared though not up to normal games, but god, that second half shitfest. I'll trust myself and not watch one of these exhibition matches next time.
there's plenty to do:nitewulf said:
Announce to go for 3rd place, but secretly hope for 2nd. Destroy Chelseas title challenge for good; win 3 times at Anfield in one season. Get a few more players injured and suspended.
At the end of the season be disappointed for a week that it's 4th place after all, a week later be convinced that we'll win 4 titles next year.
Plenty of bitching and complaining along the way, then laugh at spurs that they ****ed their season up worse than we did.
Exciting times ahead!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Do you guys bet on games regularly? Ghost seemed to, from what he's said. How do you do?
I'm thinking of betting based on stats. I'm going to fake bet for a few rounds of matches to see how my stats hold up against it, only going for a team when I think they have a greater than 50% chance of winning.
Obviously these won't be big winnings, I'm not gambling on upsets. Just hoping to get a nice bit of extra income and have a bit of fun. I suppose I could occasionally back an upset if I think it's worth it...I mean, I could get a £95 profit on Bolton winning at Old Trafford this weekend on a £10 bet. I won't, but those odds seem overly generous to me.
Anyway, if you want to follow my experiment I'll show the matches I'm fake betting on below. These are betfair odds which seem much better than others, and each match gets a £10 bet. You know, if I was actually backing them:
Aston Villa v Arsenal 2.24, 54.3%, £12.40
Man City v Chelsea 1.53, 62.1%, £5.30
Man Utd v Bolton 1.37, 72.9%, £3.70
Middlesbrough v Man City 2.16, 55.9%, £11.60
Tottenham v Watford 1.46, 74.4%, £4.60
Wigan v Fulham 2.20, 50.3%, £12.00
Chelsea v Sheff Utd 1.24, 84.5%, £2.40
Reading v Portsmouth 2.10, 59.8%, £11.00
Blackburn v West Ham 1.78, 76.3%, £7.80
Aston Villa v Liverpool 2.02, 51.3%, £10.20
I've seperated them by games played on the same day. The first number is the decimal odds, the second number my percentage chance of the team in bold winning and the final number my potential profit on the £10 bets.
That's an outlay of £100, a potential return of £181 and therefore a potential profit of £81.
Of course, I wouldn't expect to make a profit every week even if the stats generally work, but I'm hopeful that over time gains would outweigh losses. If not, I just won't gamble my money for real. Or possibly I'll look at the figures and realise that, for example, if I bet on teams over 60% rather than 50%, I would have made a profit.
There's also "laying" bets during a game that's going against what you predicted to offset losses and even potentially to guarantee at least a tiny profit, but I don't really want to get into that when I'm such a beginner.
EDIT: Of course, betfair take a commission, about 5%, but I can't be bothered calculating all that in.
I'm thinking of betting based on stats. I'm going to fake bet for a few rounds of matches to see how my stats hold up against it, only going for a team when I think they have a greater than 50% chance of winning.
Obviously these won't be big winnings, I'm not gambling on upsets. Just hoping to get a nice bit of extra income and have a bit of fun. I suppose I could occasionally back an upset if I think it's worth it...I mean, I could get a £95 profit on Bolton winning at Old Trafford this weekend on a £10 bet. I won't, but those odds seem overly generous to me.
Anyway, if you want to follow my experiment I'll show the matches I'm fake betting on below. These are betfair odds which seem much better than others, and each match gets a £10 bet. You know, if I was actually backing them:
Aston Villa v Arsenal 2.24, 54.3%, £12.40
Man City v Chelsea 1.53, 62.1%, £5.30
Man Utd v Bolton 1.37, 72.9%, £3.70
Middlesbrough v Man City 2.16, 55.9%, £11.60
Tottenham v Watford 1.46, 74.4%, £4.60
Wigan v Fulham 2.20, 50.3%, £12.00
Chelsea v Sheff Utd 1.24, 84.5%, £2.40
Reading v Portsmouth 2.10, 59.8%, £11.00
Blackburn v West Ham 1.78, 76.3%, £7.80
Aston Villa v Liverpool 2.02, 51.3%, £10.20
I've seperated them by games played on the same day. The first number is the decimal odds, the second number my percentage chance of the team in bold winning and the final number my potential profit on the £10 bets.
That's an outlay of £100, a potential return of £181 and therefore a potential profit of £81.
Of course, I wouldn't expect to make a profit every week even if the stats generally work, but I'm hopeful that over time gains would outweigh losses. If not, I just won't gamble my money for real. Or possibly I'll look at the figures and realise that, for example, if I bet on teams over 60% rather than 50%, I would have made a profit.
There's also "laying" bets during a game that's going against what you predicted to offset losses and even potentially to guarantee at least a tiny profit, but I don't really want to get into that when I'm such a beginner.
EDIT: Of course, betfair take a commission, about 5%, but I can't be bothered calculating all that in.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
p.s. is it obvious I seriously believe in stats and probability?
I used to do the exact same thing and it works quite nicely, I did it with less money though. For some reason I was too lazy the last couple of months, so I didn't do it. I was also skint, and didn't want to risk any money during that time.
I'm thinking of starting again in the next few weeks.
But yeah, if you bet based on statistics you have a relatively small risk and usually make a nice profit. I used to bet around 10 pounds per round and usually came out with 13 - 16 pounds. I want to put a bit more money in now, I'm quite sure I could make 100 - 150 quid a month, which isn't bad by any means.
I'm thinking of starting again in the next few weeks.
But yeah, if you bet based on statistics you have a relatively small risk and usually make a nice profit. I used to bet around 10 pounds per round and usually came out with 13 - 16 pounds. I want to put a bit more money in now, I'm quite sure I could make 100 - 150 quid a month, which isn't bad by any means.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Oh btw, you really can find considerably better odds if you search around. I've just used betfair for all of them for simplicity's sake and they were the site that seemed to have the best odds most consistently, but not always.
For example, looking at Ladbrokes and betfair for tomorrow's games:
Arsenal to beat Villa, £10 bet at Ladbrokes = £10 potential profit, at betfair = £12.40
Chelsea to beat City, £10 bet at Ladbrokes = £4 potential profit, at betfair = £5.30
Just on two games and a £3.70 difference.
For example, looking at Ladbrokes and betfair for tomorrow's games:
Arsenal to beat Villa, £10 bet at Ladbrokes = £10 potential profit, at betfair = £12.40
Chelsea to beat City, £10 bet at Ladbrokes = £4 potential profit, at betfair = £5.30
Just on two games and a £3.70 difference.
Lakitu said:
...Puta.
:lol Perfect...
Wenger dares to open his mouth at the risk of being charged by the English FA, the French FA, or whoever the hell feels agreived this time...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2007/03/14/sfnars14.xml
It would serve Dummynech right if France lost all three games and got his ass fired for it. Problem is I wanna see Henry at the Euro's next year, so I have to root for this clown to succeed. Bleh.
he's absolutely right, Domenech is a wanker. Why he played him in all these friendlies, we will never know. It's absolutely stupid. The whole Makelelele thing just proved it further.
Speaking of Makakelelele, seems like he's on his way out of Chelsea after having criticized Abrahamovich. If that's the case, how happy will Mourinho be? I think this could be the final nail in the coffin.
edit: gotta check betfair out, cheers mama.
Speaking of Makakelelele, seems like he's on his way out of Chelsea after having criticized Abrahamovich. If that's the case, how happy will Mourinho be? I think this could be the final nail in the coffin.
edit: gotta check betfair out, cheers mama.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I don't think they should let Makelele go, but I do think they should be buying a replacement anyway this summer. He's still a really good player but hasn't stood out for me this year like he has in the last couple of seasons. Chelsea do look much more vulnerable at the back when he's not playing though, even if Diarra or Essien are taking up his role.
Besides, playing Essien in that role just because he can is such a waste. As good as he is defensively, you want him bursting forwards too. The obvious answer, again, is Hargreaves.
Apparently Wenger has said that, if he's going to buy any players this summer it'll only be a couple and they'll be superstars as that's all they've lacked this year. Basically what I said when going through their squad, they have all the ingredients they need for success except a few experienced players already at the top of their game.
I kind of feel the same way about Blackburn. Not that we can get superstars, but I think the level of the majority of our team is very good and we'd be best spending our budget this summer on one or two players only. If we can get a decent reserve right back/right winger for £2m or less then we should (we've been linked with Chris Baird, the Southanpton right back today), and the rest should all go on a striker. We should have a decent budget this year, we'll have the money we were going to have anyway and the FA Cup run I reckon has already gained us around £5m.
If you look at who we bought this season (who actually cost us something):
Roberts - £3m
McCarthy - £2.5m
Dunn - £2.2m
Ooijer - £2m
Warnock - £1.5m
Samba - 400k
Total - £11.6m
Now I reckon our sales of players got us about £4.5m, so it's roughly £7m. Combined with the money from the FA Cup run, not all of which will go into the tranfer budget, I reckon we'll have about £10m to spend on players.
So we should get a right back/winger for as cheap as possible, but no more than £2m. The'll leave us with £8m to get a really good striker to play alongside McCarthy, kind of like Bolton did spending almost their entire budget on Anelka. Obviously I want Bellamy, if he's available, but I just hope Hughes buys the right guy. Generally his buys have been very good, but he did want Heskey last year over McCarthy, to my horror. Luckily Heskey chose Wigan and we had to "settle" for McCarthy at half Heskey's price. I don't want him looking at Championship players and paying too much, particularly David Nugent who is rated highly but doesn't actually have that great a goalscoring record.
If we can't get Bellamy, we could look at Spurs for our striker. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they bought Darren Bent, leaving Defoe or Mido up for sale. I'd pay £8m for Defoe, but only £5m for Mido (spending the remaining £3m on Song from Arsenal). Crouch might be available for about that price too, perhaps Dean Ashton...or players from abroad that I don't knbow enough about to know how much they'd be available for even if they are.
Anyway, rambling on again.
Besides, playing Essien in that role just because he can is such a waste. As good as he is defensively, you want him bursting forwards too. The obvious answer, again, is Hargreaves.
Apparently Wenger has said that, if he's going to buy any players this summer it'll only be a couple and they'll be superstars as that's all they've lacked this year. Basically what I said when going through their squad, they have all the ingredients they need for success except a few experienced players already at the top of their game.
I kind of feel the same way about Blackburn. Not that we can get superstars, but I think the level of the majority of our team is very good and we'd be best spending our budget this summer on one or two players only. If we can get a decent reserve right back/right winger for £2m or less then we should (we've been linked with Chris Baird, the Southanpton right back today), and the rest should all go on a striker. We should have a decent budget this year, we'll have the money we were going to have anyway and the FA Cup run I reckon has already gained us around £5m.
If you look at who we bought this season (who actually cost us something):
Roberts - £3m
McCarthy - £2.5m
Dunn - £2.2m
Ooijer - £2m
Warnock - £1.5m
Samba - 400k
Total - £11.6m
Now I reckon our sales of players got us about £4.5m, so it's roughly £7m. Combined with the money from the FA Cup run, not all of which will go into the tranfer budget, I reckon we'll have about £10m to spend on players.
So we should get a right back/winger for as cheap as possible, but no more than £2m. The'll leave us with £8m to get a really good striker to play alongside McCarthy, kind of like Bolton did spending almost their entire budget on Anelka. Obviously I want Bellamy, if he's available, but I just hope Hughes buys the right guy. Generally his buys have been very good, but he did want Heskey last year over McCarthy, to my horror. Luckily Heskey chose Wigan and we had to "settle" for McCarthy at half Heskey's price. I don't want him looking at Championship players and paying too much, particularly David Nugent who is rated highly but doesn't actually have that great a goalscoring record.
If we can't get Bellamy, we could look at Spurs for our striker. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they bought Darren Bent, leaving Defoe or Mido up for sale. I'd pay £8m for Defoe, but only £5m for Mido (spending the remaining £3m on Song from Arsenal). Crouch might be available for about that price too, perhaps Dean Ashton...or players from abroad that I don't knbow enough about to know how much they'd be available for even if they are.
Anyway, rambling on again.
Rio got 8 months for taking a drug test a few hours late. When you think about that, its absurd. 8 goddamn months when he forgot to turn up for a drugs test vs breaking someones nose and sparking a huge brawl.
1 rule for Utd, 1 rule for everyone else.
1 rule for Utd, 1 rule for everyone else.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Cantona's ban was about that long.
The ban is only for European competition, for now, so it's not so bad. They're asking FIFA to make it a ban for all competitions, but we'll have to wait and see if they do or not. As it is, he'll be able to play internationally and domestically should the teams pick him, but not in the CL/UEFA Cup.
So Valencia have two centre backs suspended for Chelsea, is that right? From what I've read, Marchena is there regular centre back alongside Ayala, would Navarro have been the natural replacement for him or is he further down in the centre back pecking order? However it is, only good news for Chelsea.
The ban is only for European competition, for now, so it's not so bad. They're asking FIFA to make it a ban for all competitions, but we'll have to wait and see if they do or not. As it is, he'll be able to play internationally and domestically should the teams pick him, but not in the CL/UEFA Cup.
So Valencia have two centre backs suspended for Chelsea, is that right? From what I've read, Marchena is there regular centre back alongside Ayala, would Navarro have been the natural replacement for him or is he further down in the centre back pecking order? However it is, only good news for Chelsea.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Oh I expect to lose money on some matches every week, the chances in each individual match might favour me, but the chances of things going predictably in EVERY match each week are much, much smaller. And the two Villa ties are two of the closer predictions, getting to the 50% cut off.
Mama Smurf said:
you should play football manager.
Its too heartbreaking to calculate stuff like this. Esp with Man Utd who have so many fringe players. If Hargreaves goes anywhere it'll be to Man Utd, unless they want too much money, he should be nowhere near £20m.
I'd rather we bid £20m for Kaka or Torres.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
In the past Hargreaves has juts indicated a desire to play in the Premiership, rather than a specific club. Since interest in him from United became obvious, he's been quite vocal about wanting to go there and I'm sure he'd choose them if he had the otpion between a few big Premiership clubs, but if United can't afford to come in for him and some other big Premiership side can, I don't think he'd turn them down.
As for his price, well...you did pay £18.6m for Carrick. And Hargreaves is better than Carrick, with the fact that he's always ahead of him in the England set up to back that up. Now I don't think Carrick was worth that much, but United obviously did and Bayern are going to use that number to set Hargreaves' price. And it's not like Bayern are under any pressure to sell, it's not like his contract's about to run out or anything.
You could try bidding £20m for Kaka or Torres, but unlike Hargreveas who you might actually get for that price, Atletico will come back and tell you to slap an extra £5-10m on there and Milan will tell you to double it and they still wouldn't sell.
As for his price, well...you did pay £18.6m for Carrick. And Hargreaves is better than Carrick, with the fact that he's always ahead of him in the England set up to back that up. Now I don't think Carrick was worth that much, but United obviously did and Bayern are going to use that number to set Hargreaves' price. And it's not like Bayern are under any pressure to sell, it's not like his contract's about to run out or anything.
You could try bidding £20m for Kaka or Torres, but unlike Hargreveas who you might actually get for that price, Atletico will come back and tell you to slap an extra £5-10m on there and Milan will tell you to double it and they still wouldn't sell.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Wenger has indicated that a big name player could be coming to arsenal in the summer
Its a good sign. Arsenal have a good squad, they just need a star player that can make the big difference. Its going to be difficult to buy a big name player, but even if it costs losts, its worth the investment. Im just thinking who they can buy. Eto'o comes to mind, but rumours in the italian press suggest that Ronaldinho could be going to AC Milan. It looks like to'o or ronaldinho will leave, but barca will not let both of them leave.
Yeah, it's an encouraging thing to hear. I'm still unsure that it will be a striker though, if we get Baptista on a permanent contract as rumoured there is little reason to congest that department with another world class player (Henry, Van Persie, Adebayor, Baptista).
It will be interesting to see what's gonna happen, Wenger surely has one or two players in his mind.
It will be interesting to see what's gonna happen, Wenger surely has one or two players in his mind.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Torres could be a possible signing. There has been so much talk about him leaving athletico. We could probably get him for 25-30 million, but Im not too happy about spending that much money on him. Ive barely seen him play, so Im not sure if he's good as the hype suggests. If he is as good as the press makes him sound, then he could be worth buying. And do you really think that United have a chance of signing kaka. If we put in a bid of 20 million Milan will just laugh at us. Milan would consider selling him if we put in a big opf 50 million, but there is a good chance that they would reject a bid even that big.kaizoku said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I'd like to know Wenger's definition of super, super class. Personally I would say if you're not in the top 10 players in the world in your position, you're not super, super class. Those are very difficult players to buy though.
I wonder who he would buy, I thought I read somewhere he had a £20 million budget for the summer?
And I totally agree with Wenger, Arsenal just need 1 or 2 more players to strengthen their squad, there's no point in buying several players to jumble up the team again. Much like last year, Man Utd only bought a couple of players whilst most other teams like Chelsea and Liverpool bought multiple players and they didn't benefit from this unlike Man Utd who are ow top of the premiership. 1-2 good enough players is all a team in the big four etc needs a season.
And I totally agree with Wenger, Arsenal just need 1 or 2 more players to strengthen their squad, there's no point in buying several players to jumble up the team again. Much like last year, Man Utd only bought a couple of players whilst most other teams like Chelsea and Liverpool bought multiple players and they didn't benefit from this unlike Man Utd who are ow top of the premiership. 1-2 good enough players is all a team in the big four etc needs a season.
Cornballer
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What's funny about Wenger having a budget of 20 million to buy some "super players" is that I think his track record is much better for the up-and-coming players in the 1-5 million range than it is for 5 million+. It seems like most players that he spends a lot of money on never work out.
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