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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)
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:lolRyck said:
I wonder to what extent familiarity between two teams leads to less open play and lower scores.
Mama Smurf
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Don't bother questioning, kaizoku has special goggles and those goggles are red. Cantona's flying kick wasn't cowardly or as bad as the Chelsea incident, it's not Rooney playing badly for England he just doesn't want to play well for them, Carrick is the solution to all of England's problems, Ferdinand is the best defender in the country if not the world.
If only he wasn't so unbiased, it'd be much easier to argue with him.
If only he wasn't so unbiased, it'd be much easier to argue with him.
so many stupid arguments.
I didnt even mention Carrick, I merely defended him from needless slagging off. My point was fair and echoed Ruud Gullit's point - as a lover of beautiful football its a shame to see two big english clubs totally squander the chance to play good football and concentrate on defense, diving, trying to con the ref and squirm their way to silverware.
As we're all football fans here, I dont know what the hell you guys do constantly trying to disagree with me, my original point was extremely valid. No player was able to stamp their authority on the game and try to make something happen, it was entirely huff and puff, kick and run. Power, strength, agression, thats all.
No grace or finesse, no intriguing tactical battles, no wonderful movement or passing. No showcase of footballing ability whatsoever.
I have nothing against an enthralling physical battle, but it wasnt even that, it was just a dirty little scrap which resembled a meaningless mid table clash, not the european cup final.
the fact you dont agree with me is why you are just a humdrum run of the mill football fan who doesnt understand the difference between beautiful football and humdrum mid table mediocrity. and thats why you dont understand the building blocks behind good football.
lets not forget my original point was lampard and gerrard should not be the midfield partnership - am i wrong??
stop being the equivalent of a console fanboy whenever i say something negative about lampard/gerrard. its no coincidence that both their club teams are famous for boring defensive tactics and neither of them are considered the number one central midfielders.
I didnt even mention Carrick, I merely defended him from needless slagging off. My point was fair and echoed Ruud Gullit's point - as a lover of beautiful football its a shame to see two big english clubs totally squander the chance to play good football and concentrate on defense, diving, trying to con the ref and squirm their way to silverware.
As we're all football fans here, I dont know what the hell you guys do constantly trying to disagree with me, my original point was extremely valid. No player was able to stamp their authority on the game and try to make something happen, it was entirely huff and puff, kick and run. Power, strength, agression, thats all.
No grace or finesse, no intriguing tactical battles, no wonderful movement or passing. No showcase of footballing ability whatsoever.
I have nothing against an enthralling physical battle, but it wasnt even that, it was just a dirty little scrap which resembled a meaningless mid table clash, not the european cup final.
the fact you dont agree with me is why you are just a humdrum run of the mill football fan who doesnt understand the difference between beautiful football and humdrum mid table mediocrity. and thats why you dont understand the building blocks behind good football.
lets not forget my original point was lampard and gerrard should not be the midfield partnership - am i wrong??
stop being the equivalent of a console fanboy whenever i say something negative about lampard/gerrard. its no coincidence that both their club teams are famous for boring defensive tactics and neither of them are considered the number one central midfielders.
Mama Smurf said:
oh yeh lets ignore the crazy guy who speaks crazy talk, theres no way he can be right if his opinion isnt the same as mine!
I also happen to be a very harsh critic of man utd. in my rio argument, you will find i was dismissing vidic as the better defender, not anyone else.
you guys say vidic is better than rio, i as a utd fan know better. rio is the man and anyone who knows anything about football will agree he is in the top 3 central defenders in the world.
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I find Kaizoku's mentioning of fanboys as ironic and humorous. I anxiously await more.
no doubt mama is working on his next super long response which takes things out of context and goes over the top. shame i wont even read it cos I know what he's gonna say.
its been fun during this period of great man utd performances, i can come out and celebrate my teams greatness and so what if it makes me look biased and fanboyish!
but when things go wrong i'm the first to spot it and kick up a fuss about it. i just have no reason to atm.
you guys seem to ignore when i come out with positive stuff about other teams, it just so happens my standards are consistent across the board so I'm not gonna praise people willy nilly like others do.
its been fun during this period of great man utd performances, i can come out and celebrate my teams greatness and so what if it makes me look biased and fanboyish!
but when things go wrong i'm the first to spot it and kick up a fuss about it. i just have no reason to atm.
you guys seem to ignore when i come out with positive stuff about other teams, it just so happens my standards are consistent across the board so I'm not gonna praise people willy nilly like others do.
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2 very different defenders tbh.
Vidic is your tough tackling rough and tumble type defender. Always willing to throw himself about, great in the air.
Rio isn't as willing to go for the crunching tackle but he reads the game really well, awesome positioning, closes gaps, pushes players away from goal, sweeps up the rest of the back fours mistakes. But he is of course prone to the odd lapse of concentration when he is the defender that must do the dirty work. He also gives u something going forward when given the chance.
They compliment eachother perfectly tbh.
Vidic is your tough tackling rough and tumble type defender. Always willing to throw himself about, great in the air.
Rio isn't as willing to go for the crunching tackle but he reads the game really well, awesome positioning, closes gaps, pushes players away from goal, sweeps up the rest of the back fours mistakes. But he is of course prone to the odd lapse of concentration when he is the defender that must do the dirty work. He also gives u something going forward when given the chance.
They compliment eachother perfectly tbh.
Izzy said:
sorry but this is just wrong wrong wrong.
Rio does make mistakes, but only as much as any other world class CB like Nesta or Terry. Vidic often gets pulled out of position or loses the ball or gets caught out and Rio is the one who gets him out of jail.
I have no idea why you guys suddenly think vidic is better, but the majority of utd fans who watch the games closely and analyse the performances will tell you rio is the man. vidic is better at attacking, thats about it.
great partnership though.
gollumsluvslave
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No takers?
Who was the last Englsh manager to win the Premiership?
A cookie for the correct answer!
Who was the last Englsh manager to win the Premiership?
A cookie for the correct answer!
MrPing1000
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ps. If Chelsea go thru which atm looks likely (u never know) and if we go thru (again not a definate), It's time for Liverpool to do us a favour.
Didier Drogba, Joe Cole, Lassana Diarra and Michael Ballack are all 1 yellow card away from missing the final.
HAVE AT THEM!
Didier Drogba, Joe Cole, Lassana Diarra and Michael Ballack are all 1 yellow card away from missing the final.
HAVE AT THEM!
Mama Smurf
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kaizoku said:
Well, I didn't like to say anything...
Don't even try and pretend that wasn't part of the same old argument that you think Carrick should play instead of Gerrard/Lampard, what other choice is there? Jenas?
Liverpool have played some gorgeous football this season, like against Barcelona or United, Chelsea are just too good at stopping them. Chelsea I actually agree don't play very attractive football, certainly this year.
God, you don't even know your own point. If your point was that no one stamped their authority on this game, I'd agree. Neither team had any particular flow and there certainly wasn't a player who took the game by the scruff of the neck, just better players than others.
What you said was that this is the reason Gerrard/Lampard shouldn't be the partenership for England. That was your point and what I disagreed with. Here, let's just quote it so there can be no doubting your point, very first thing you posted: "and thats why gerrard and lampard should not be the pairing for england."
Now I'm not disagreeing that Gerrard and Lampard shouldn't be the pairing for England, I've long said that...I'm disgreeing that that's why Gerrard and Lampard shouldn't be the partnership, ie. today's performances.
You're so arrogant, it's just pathetic. "Oh why do you guys always disagree with me, it can't be because I'm wrong, you must all just hate me, or maybe you can't stand to hear the truth, but it's definitely not that I'm wrong!"
Arrogance.
That wasn't your original point nor was it what I disagreed with, you original point was that that (ie. the way they played today) is the reason they shouldn't be the midfield partnership.
And who are you even arguing with on that? They aren't the midfield partnership, they haven't been since McClaren took over.
Haha...hahaha. Yeah, I'm the fanboy. Afterall, I support Liverpool/Chelsea and think everything United does is shit. Or maybe I just support Lampard and Gerrard blindly because...what, they're so good looking?
I've given no end of praise to United this season. I've said Ronaldo's the best player in the league if not the world, Vidic is the best centre back, Evra the best left back in the world, Ferdinand's been England's best defender since the World Cup, I've even praised Carrick for his United performances.
I've just also praised Lampard, and Cech, and Carvalho. And Fabregas and Van Persie, and Denilson. And Carragher and Finnan and Sissoko. I've actually had a go at Gerrarrd if anything.
I have no bias when it comes to the top teams. You do, obviously, you support one of them. So how can I be the equivalent of a fanboy? I'm not the one saying Ferdinand is maybe the best defender in the world or that Carrick will solve England's problems or that Rooney's shit form for England hasn't been a key factor in results or that Cantona's flying kick wasn't cowardly and better than the Chelsea thing. You've been laughed at for saying those things, and they certainly weren't funny , it;'s your bias that you can't even see that's funny to us.
Now if I was saying...oh I dunno...Kaka couldn't get in the England team...you could accuse me of bias. And you'd be right, anyone saying that is either a fool or biased. But there is no fanboy-ism between Carrick and Gerrard/Lampard. How could there be, they're all English, none of them play for a team I support or in anyway prefer to another, I don't give a crap if Chelsea or United win the title so long as it's an exciting finish, that's all I want. I'm just going on the facts, such as Carrick having played plenty of times for England and not once made us play better, unlike Gerrard and Lampard who have, at times, made us better.
gollumsluvslave
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**** me, in this official football thread, being a Scot, I've made the odd inflammatory post to rile our English brethren
But damn it's an acievement to troll a football thread. For shame.Like the guy that told me an Alan Ball joke at the pub tonight... not good.
Mama Smurf
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The Premiership has only been won by 4 sides, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Blackburn. Ferguson has been there whenever Man Utd have won it and he's a Scot, Wenger has been there everytime Arsenal have won it and he's French, Mourinho has taken Chelsea to the title twice and is Portugese and finally, the only semi-tricky one but obviously not to me, Kenny Dalglish, another Scot, was in charge of Blackburn.
I didnt read that mama, what can I say, I'm not even discussing Carrick with you, I told you before, that can't be proved right or wrong with more sentences can it?
However evidence shows that Man Utd are playing great attacking football which is sending shockwaves through Europe and Carrick is a major part of that whilst other England players are busy honing their kick and run, huff and puff.
I did catch a glimpse of you calling me arrogant - so what? that doesnt address any footballing point whatsoever. you talk a lot, but your footballing knowledge seems to be built around games or something. you never consider some of the fundamental football philosophies which the great coaches and managers value.
instead of seeing me as some biased guy, maybe you can stop and wonder where i'm coming from. I have after all been raised on a diet of amazing football and some of the best players in the world. i've been trained to recognise quality and if something is below par, I will notice it.
anyway, in 3 years time Fletcher will be better than Carrick AND Lampard.
However evidence shows that Man Utd are playing great attacking football which is sending shockwaves through Europe and Carrick is a major part of that whilst other England players are busy honing their kick and run, huff and puff.
I did catch a glimpse of you calling me arrogant - so what? that doesnt address any footballing point whatsoever. you talk a lot, but your footballing knowledge seems to be built around games or something. you never consider some of the fundamental football philosophies which the great coaches and managers value.
instead of seeing me as some biased guy, maybe you can stop and wonder where i'm coming from. I have after all been raised on a diet of amazing football and some of the best players in the world. i've been trained to recognise quality and if something is below par, I will notice it.
anyway, in 3 years time Fletcher will be better than Carrick AND Lampard.
Mama Smurf
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I wish I could choose my own tag, this is it. I mean, the more I read it the more unbelievable it becomes.
the fact you dont agree with me
is why you are just a humdrum run of the mill football fan
the fact you dont agree with me
Not, "the fact that I have this evidence and this evidence and if you look at this you can see this is why you are just a humdrum run of the mill football fan".
No no, it's the fact you dont agree with me
He must be able to see it.
so basically you just come in here to read your own posts and then complain how everybody is terribly mean to you.
I have a feeling that you would get different responses if you actually discussed your points in a normal fashion.
Maybe not calling everybody else out on having no clue about football might actually help too.
I have a feeling that you would get different responses if you actually discussed your points in a normal fashion.
Maybe not calling everybody else out on having no clue about football might actually help too.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Well, I didn't read any of that kaizoku, but I'll argue it anyway 'cos that's smart.
You're right, Blackburn probably will win the Premiership next season. Yes I do have a 10 inch wang, no you can't touch it. Butterflies actually can fly, you're thinking of tigers.
You're right, Blackburn probably will win the Premiership next season. Yes I do have a 10 inch wang, no you can't touch it. Butterflies actually can fly, you're thinking of tigers.
Mama Smurf said:
you're pretty slow aren't you....these posts are bordering on genius.
I do seriously find it interesting that I echo the feelings of an entire tv panel and probably most of the viewers watching that, I come on here to express my disappointment and you kick up a huge fuss about michael carrick.
interesting.
gollumsluvslave
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Mama Smurf and hadareud get the cookie!
Last English manager that won the 'top' english league was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1991.
Before it was the Premiership.
I wonder that maybe they went with Sven because of that stat. I simply find it interesting with Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea all in the last 4 of the Champions League, but there is no English manager between them.
It's been a problem for a long time.
Last English manager that won the 'top' english league was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1991.
Before it was the Premiership.
I wonder that maybe they went with Sven because of that stat. I simply find it interesting with Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea all in the last 4 of the Champions League, but there is no English manager between them.
It's been a problem for a long time.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
A perhaps trickier question would be who was the last English manager to win the FA Cup. Don't cheat, it's pointless.
gollumsluvslave
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:lol :lol :lol
Mama Smurf
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kaizoku said:
Don't you have to read the posts to know if they're bordering on the genius?
Good comeback though.
That's strange, because the commentators watching the match felt it was a decent game, and panelists think Vidic has been the best defender for United all season, and think Lampard or Gerrard should play for England and not Carrick, and have barely talked about the Chelsea fan incident but went on about Cantona's for months.
I guess they're only right when they agree with you.
gollumsluvslave
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Joe Royle with Everton! (1995) One of my mates is a big Everton fan so I'm a bit up on that one...
Man I love fitba trivia!
Mama Smurf
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Correct, your turn.
wtf mama, your responses are so damn redundant. I didnt use panelists to prove I am right, I dont care about being proved right.
I am emphasising that my opinion is not some kind of wacky biased outrageous opinion. Ruud Gullit expressed exactly what I did, no one wanted to play football. Souness said there were no special players on the pitch except Gerrard and maybe drogba.
Even Jamie Redknapp was disappointed. wtf is wrong with you and your acceptance for medicrity? why are you arguing with me about my enjoyment level of a dull football game?
are you developing a complex about me or what? either argue properly, be humorous or dont bother! This isnt a court of law where I will comb your posts for weaknesses. why have you reacted so strongly to my post when I expressed exactly what Ruud Gullit did 5 mins after the match on sky sports?
p.s. I dont necessarily want a rational football debate with you guys because aside from the arsenal fans no one in this thread seems to know about the ingredients to a good football team beyond the cliches. thank god for people like fergie and wenger who can educate the masses.
actually mama, I now realise why so many man utd fans despise watching england whilst lots of people like you can happily sulk until england snatch a "well fought" draw or win and cheer it like it was something amazing. stop settling for less.
I am emphasising that my opinion is not some kind of wacky biased outrageous opinion. Ruud Gullit expressed exactly what I did, no one wanted to play football. Souness said there were no special players on the pitch except Gerrard and maybe drogba.
Even Jamie Redknapp was disappointed. wtf is wrong with you and your acceptance for medicrity? why are you arguing with me about my enjoyment level of a dull football game?
are you developing a complex about me or what? either argue properly, be humorous or dont bother! This isnt a court of law where I will comb your posts for weaknesses. why have you reacted so strongly to my post when I expressed exactly what Ruud Gullit did 5 mins after the match on sky sports?
p.s. I dont necessarily want a rational football debate with you guys because aside from the arsenal fans no one in this thread seems to know about the ingredients to a good football team beyond the cliches. thank god for people like fergie and wenger who can educate the masses.
actually mama, I now realise why so many man utd fans despise watching england whilst lots of people like you can happily sulk until england snatch a "well fought" draw or win and cheer it like it was something amazing. stop settling for less.
Mama Smurf
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I'll go if no one has a question.
Who scored a first minute goal in the 1997 cup final, and for a bonus point why didn't his sister, who was in the crowd, celebrate straight away?
Who scored a first minute goal in the 1997 cup final, and for a bonus point why didn't his sister, who was in the crowd, celebrate straight away?
gollumsluvslave
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hadareud:-
He most definitely wouldn't be as obtuse if it was in person.
What English teams have never been relegated from the 'top' league?
He most definitely wouldn't be as obtuse if it was in person.
What English teams have never been relegated from the 'top' league?
Mama Smurf
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If you'd read my post kaizoku, you'd know I've already addressed the issues you've just brought up, AGAIN.
The very fact that you say the above shows that you don't even know what I was arguing, which you would if you'd read my post.
You're really very easy, you can't read posts through correctly so I can just immediately pick holes in them.
I even leave them most of the time, like this:
Do you have any idea how many tiems you've complained about our views or tried to argue rationally? I mean, I have that quoted now so you can't even edit your post to get rid of it, every time you say something stupid I'm gonna quote that post now, because you don't necessarily want a rational football debate with us.
You've basically just given me permission to call your every post irrational. Unbelievable.
The very fact that you say the above shows that you don't even know what I was arguing, which you would if you'd read my post.
You're really very easy, you can't read posts through correctly so I can just immediately pick holes in them.
I even leave them most of the time, like this:
Do you have any idea how many tiems you've complained about our views or tried to argue rationally? I mean, I have that quoted now so you can't even edit your post to get rid of it, every time you say something stupid I'm gonna quote that post now, because you don't necessarily want a rational football debate with us.
You've basically just given me permission to call your every post irrational. Unbelievable.
gollumsluvslave
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kaizoku:-
I dont understand rational football debate .
Fixed.
I dont understand rational football debate .
Fixed.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I've no idea hadareud. <--- about Austria, he has a sister.
I'm pretty sure Arsenal are the only English side never out of the top flight.
EDIT: Oh I forgot to say...correct!
I'm pretty sure Arsenal are the only English side never out of the top flight.
EDIT: Oh I forgot to say...correct!
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