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That stadium design was obviously done by a mancunian with a wicked sense of humour. That "Liverpool" curling round the pitch corner is amazing.

Really did capture the nature of Liverpool, while they all rave about how its so futuristic and exciting the rest of the country can smirk.
 
woohoo Iraq made it to the asian cup finals! I'm half Iraqi so Im quite happy about this. Its good for the people wwho live in iraq. Atleast they can be happy by watching their team do well and forget about all the crap thats happening in their lives for a moment.
 
psycho_snake said:
In the next few years, England are going to be in a great position to host the world cup. Just look at all the stadiums we have. The ones that have more than a cpacity of 60,000 will be wembly, old trafford, emirates and liverpools stadium. Chelsea will probably move into a 60,000 seat stadium eventually. Then you've got other good stadiums like st james's park, stadium of light and city of manchester stadium, which all have capacities over 45,000.
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It's not that simple, sadly. The minimum capacity for a WC stadium is 40,000, but only one host city can have more than two venues. So London, for example, would probably be Wembley and The Emirates, ruling out any of the others, and that in turn rules out the City of Manchester Stadium because obviously Old Trafford is going to be the one.
 
Mama Smurf said:
It's not that simple, sadly. The minimum capacity for a WC stadium is 40,000, but only one host city can have more than two venues. So London, for example, would probably be Wembley and The Emirates, ruling out any of the others, and that in turn rules out the City of Manchester Stadium because obviously Old Trafford is going to be the one.
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Now that does cause a problem. Germany used 12 different venues for the world cup. If we use those rules, then these are the available stadiums.

Wembly
Emirates stadium
Old Trafford
St james park
New Liverpool stadium
Villa Park
Stadium of Light (I dont think sunderland counts as being in the same city as Newcastle)
Elland Road

That leaves us with 4 short. That problem could have been solved if it wasnt for the one venue per city because that would allow us to use stamford bridge, city of manchester stadium, Goodison park and we could also use the london olympic stadium. Couldnt there be some exceptions made? We've got enough stadiums, just not in the right places.
 
Add Pride Park (Derby) to the list, that'll be 44k by next season (2008).


Wikipedia says Nottingham is going to get one 50k stadium, dunno if forrest and county will share it or what.



I really think London would get away with at least 3 stadia too, West, North and South, there's more than enough room for all the fans to play. They'd be a hell of a lot further away than Sunderland and Newcastle :D
 
Well it is 2018 even if we do get to host it, some clubs are bound to up their capacity by then.

It doesn't have to be 12 btw, South Africa are using 10.
 
kaizoku said:
That stadium design was obviously done by a mancunian with a wicked sense of humour. That "Liverpool" curling round the pitch corner is amazing.

Really did capture the nature of Liverpool, while they all rave about how its so futuristic and exciting the rest of the country can smirk.
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Ok we get it, you don't like Liverpool, you never will like anything associated with Liverpool. You've made your point over and over again, now please, let it die.

I hate Manchester United, but I'm not as obvious as you are.
 
jamesinclair said:
Im just hoping Chivas brings their real team for the next game.

9 reserves started todays match
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That is true about the Chivas squad, but at least the Galaxy defeated a Pachuca side composed mostly of starters.
 
Wenger in the Daily Mail:

“It’s unbelievable how much money has been spent. There’s a lot of money out there and I’m just looking to develop the players we have here.

Just in central midfield we have Abou Diaby, Denilson, Cesc Fabregas, Mathieu Flamini and Gilberto. On the wings we can play Aleksandr Hleb, Theo Walcott, Tomas Rosicky and Emmanuel Eboue. So we have plenty.

All these players are on the way up, getting better and better. They are not over the hill. Their level is still rising. And it is not necessarily the case that because a club spends £50m they are any better.”
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Looks like he is thinking of moving Eboue up on the wing. Makes sense...
 
After the Pachuca - Galaxy game last night:

Interviewer: "Could you explain what happened on the Galaxy's goals?"
Pachuca coach Enrique Meza: "The ball went in."
 
One more article, then I stop spamming the thread...

Ives Galarcep's Blog said:
Zizzo signs with Hannover 96
from Soccer By Ives by Ives Galarcep

U.S. Under-20 national team midfielder Sal Zizzo has completed a move to German club Hannover 96. Zizzo joins U.S. national team defender Steve Cherundolo at the club and joins Heath Pearce as the second American player to make a move to the Bundesliga this summer.

Zizzo starred for the U.S. team at the Under-20 World Cup, showing flashes of brilliance on the right flank. His performance against Brazil and Real Madrid left back Marcelo was especially impressive.

The UCLA product follows in the footsteps of midfielder Benny Feilhaber, who followed up a strong Under-20 World Cup showing i 2005 with a move to German club Hamburg SV.
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Good move for Zizzo. This is where Cherundolo plays, so it'll be good to have a more senior player looking after him.
 
Lakitu said:
Ok we get it, you don't like Liverpool, you never will like anything associated with Liverpool. You've made your point over and over again, now please, let it die.

I hate Manchester United, but I'm not as obvious as you are.
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oh ffs stop being such a pussy.

Manchester could be considered seperate from Salford? which is where Old trafford is, technically its a seperate city.
 
Carlos hails United as great entertainers

Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 18:15

Carlos Queiroz has taunted Manchester United's title rivals by insisting his side are the most entertaining in the Premiership.

Queiroz, Sir Alex Ferguson's assistant at Old Trafford, believes United deserved their success last season because they provided more joy for the purists than Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal.

Ferguson has always demanded that United's players uphold the traditions of eye-catching football that have been synonymous with the club since the Busby babes team of the 1950s.

Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes lived up to those expectations with some breath-taking play last season.

"Our expectation is always to win and to produce great football and entertainment," Queiroz told ManUtd.com. "Winning, playing great football, attacking football, that is the Manchester United culture. It has always been like that.

"It was very important, not just for Manchester United, but for the game, that we won the championship.

"For some time, the game has moved in one direction. The systems and the strategy and the way the teams approach the game, so defensive and cautious. We proved it is possible to win trophies with an attacking style of football.

While Chelsea and Liverpool have both been criticised for their cautious tactics, Queiroz has no doubts United are the true defenders of the game's principles.

"Sometimes, with so much competition from all the other sports and TV, football needs to find other innovative and creative situations to keep the title of the best entertainment sport in the world," he said.

"We believe, and the manager is a great believer, that should be our direction.

"We need to play some great football, with fantasy, imagination and creativity. We need to produce attacking football and be sure when we have the trophies in our hands, it is because we deserve it."
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http://www.supersoccer.co.za/default.asp?id=223131&des=article&scat=supersoccer/england

Many see this as a shot against Jose "I'm calmer this year" Moanhinio, but I'd say it's a bit of a shot against the Gunners as well considering they went ****ing unbeaten while playing some of the most attractive football ever seen on British shores a few years ago and were playing in that mold from Wenger's first full season in charge. Not to mention that the new Arsenal squad passed United clean off the pitch at Old Trafford back in September. But since they won the title and we finished a distant fourth, I suppose his point has a bit of merit.

Maybe.
 
He definitely has a point even though Arsenal play great football there's only so much joy a purist can take from watching you pepper the cross bar and posts for 90 minutes, which is how a lot of your matches ended up last season.
 
:lol Don't remind me...

Here's Goal.com's all time foreign Premiership 4-3-3 first XI. Note that these players include non-British Isles players only. Thus there's no Keane and no Giggs. Explainations for why each player were chosen can be found on the page.

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Central Defender: Sami Hyypia
Central Defender: Jaap Stam
Left Back: John Arne Riise
Right Back: William Gallas
Defensive Midfielder: Patrick Vieira
Midfielder: Robert Pires
Midfielder: Gianfranco Zola
Forward: Eric Cantona
Forward: Dennis Bergkamp
Forward: Thierry Henry

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=361385

Needless to say, Arsenal sure came out well. :lol
 
Shinobi said:
http://www.supersoccer.co.za/default.asp?id=223131&des=article&scat=supersoccer/england

Many see this as a shot against Jose "I'm calmer this year" Moanhinio, but I'd say it's a bit of a shot against the Gunners as well considering they went ****ing unbeaten while playing some of the most attractive football ever seen on British shores a few years ago and were playing in that mold from Wenger's first full season in charge. Not to mention that the new Arsenal squad passed United clean off the pitch at Old Trafford back in September. But since they won the title and we finished a distant fourth, I suppose his point has a bit of merit.

Maybe.
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I do respect Arsenal for their football (as everyone should really, we all prefer nice football after all). don't know what you're being bitter about ;)

but there is a different flavour to the attacking styles of Utd and Arsenal.
 
Pires would be in mine, definitely.

Well, I say definitely, I'd need to see a list of every foreign player to ever have played in the Premiership, I must be forgetting 2/3 of them at least.

Allardyce says Dyer may well be available, for family reasons. Now that's interesting, because family reasons may well rule out some clubs. I don't think he's married or has a kid, so I don't think he's following someone he's divorced to stay close, so I guess it means he wants to move back nearer his family, perhaps someone's ill or something...or maybe he just misses them.

...so where do Dyer's family live? If it's London I could still see Spurs and West Ham going for him, despite buying Ljungberg and (reportedly about to buy) Martin Petriv, not as a right winger but as an attacking central midfielder. Which I actually think is his better position.
 
Well here's a list of 50 foreign players apparently from a sky 1 program this august.

50) Kinkladze
49) Viduka
48) Vialli
47) Van Der Sar
46) Robbie Keane
45) Malbranque
44) Drogba
43) Kanchelskis
42) Yeboah
41) Berger
40) Ronaldo
39) Riise
38) Di Matteo
37) Friedel
36) Solano
35) Yorke
34) Ljungberg
33) Given
32) Alonso
31) Poyet
30) Anelka
29) Stam
28) Hamann
27) Solksjaer
26) Gudjohnsen
25) Petit
24) Kewell
23) Cech
22) Overmars
21) Hasselbaink
20) Okocha
19) Hyypia
18) Desailly
17) Pires
16) Irwin
15) Radabe
14) Klinsmann
13) Djorkaeff
12) Juninho
11) RVN
10) Di Canio
9) Makalele
8) Ginola
7) Vieira
6) Bergkamp
5) Roy Keane
4) Schmeichel
3) Zola
2) Cantona
1) Henry
 
Shinobi said:
:lol Don't remind me...

Here's Goal.com's all time foreign Premiership 4-3-3 first XI. Note that these players include non-British Isles players only. Thus there's no Keane and no Giggs. Explainations for why each player were chosen can be found on the page.

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Central Defender: Sami Hyypia
Central Defender: Jaap Stam
Left Back: John Arne Riise
Right Back: William Gallas
Defensive Midfielder: Patrick Vieira
Midfielder: Robert Pires
Midfielder: Gianfranco Zola
Forward: Eric Cantona
Forward: Dennis Bergkamp
Forward: Thierry Henry

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=361385

Needless to say, Arsenal sure came out well. :lol
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why 4-3-3? Doesn't reflect the premiership very well nor memories of the great foreign players we've had.

That team would probably not do very well...

When I think back to great foreign players, I do not think of Pires, Gallas or Riise.

Schmeichel

Desailly Stam Hyppia

Overmars Juninho Vieira Ginola

Cantona

Henry Ruud
 
Mama Smurf said:
Yeah, I recall getting really fed up of Arsenal games towards the end of last season, the poor finishing was so frustrating.
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And you support Blackburn! Just think how bad it was to see your own team pulling that. All I have to say is thank God that Baptista is gone.
 
I don't have any stats, but I'm almost certain Blackburn scored from more of their chances than Arsenal did last year. We still scored less, but that's because you create so many chances.

In fact I would like to see those stats for the whole division, goals from chances.
 
This Heinze saga is getting interesting (them Argies and their drama), Man U have confirmed they are looking into how Liverpool have managed to approach their player without permission (ie tapped up).

This hits two nerves with me,

1) Liverpool BLATENTLY tapped up Benayoun earlier this summer, he goes away on holiday promising to sign a contract on his return, comes back demanding a move to liverpool.

2) Man U agree personal terms and performed a MEDICAL on Tevez, without permission, and no one did anything about it.



I do think I preferred the days in football where teams could actually reject offers for players and they just had to put up with it untill they were at the point where they could refuse a new contract. The way things work now with players swearing allegance to a club one minute then demanding a move to a bigger club the next makes me kinda sick.
 
Erm Tevez never had a medical. West Ham said he couldn't then it went to Fifa. Personal terms may have been agreed but that was under the premise that MSI were the people in charge.
 
They haven't performed a medical, they just arranged a medical and then weren't allowed to do it.

The personal terms thing might be true, did we ever get a quote from Tevez, MSI or Man Utd saying that? If we didn't it might just be a rumour.

Either way the general thing counts as tapping up if it turns out he is West Ham's player. If not, no real problem.
 
Shinobi said:
:lol Don't remind me...

Here's Goal.com's all time foreign Premiership 4-3-3 first XI. Note that these players include non-British Isles players only. Thus there's no Keane and no Giggs. Explainations for why each player were chosen can be found on the page.

Goalkeeper: Peter Schmeichel
Central Defender: Sami Hyypia
Central Defender: Jaap Stam
Left Back: John Arne Riise
Right Back: William Gallas
Defensive Midfielder: Patrick Vieira
Midfielder: Robert Pires
Midfielder: Gianfranco Zola
Forward: Eric Cantona
Forward: Dennis Bergkamp
Forward: Thierry Henry

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=361385

Needless to say, Arsenal sure came out well. :lol
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The biggest prolme with that line up is that its way too attacking. With a 3 man up front, you cant afford to have zola and pires in the midfield. The defence isnt the best they could have come up with either. Hyypia shouldnt be on tha list and neither should gallas, but its difficult thinking of a really good right back. All I can think of is the neviller and he's english.
 
Mama Smurf said:
They haven't performed a medical, they just arranged a medical and then weren't allowed to do it.

The personal terms thing might be true, did we ever get a quote from Tevez, MSI or Man Utd saying that? If we didn't it might just be a rumour.

Either way the general thing counts as tapping up if it turns out he is West Ham's player. If not, no real problem.
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It was in all the london papers, pictures of Tevez leaving Man Us training ground with a plaster on the inside on his arm making it look very much like he'd had a blood test.
 
Henning Berg at right back ftw

I haven't seen those pictures, but if you google Tevez medical, it's all about West Ham refusing permission and blocking it.
 
Tevez was approached via MSI - in the same way West Ham did not negotiate his transfer with Corinthians.

West Ham have even said publically (in non english publications) that they dont know where Tevez will be next season as they don't own his rights. Until they changed their mind and now claim him as their own.

Its a joke, wonder how West Ham fans feel about the whole thing. The conduct of their management and execs have been embarassing.

its funny that West Ham had an option to buy Tevez outright, they could have done this before the £5m fine, they could have done so this summer - they chose NOT to. West Ham chose NOT to take up the offer to buy Tevez from MSI.

So Koorabchian starts looking for another club who will buy him or loan him for the next season and Utd came in.
 
kaizoku said:
Tevez was approached via MSI - in the same way West Ham did not negotiate his transfer with Corinthians.

West Ham have even said publically (in non english publications) that they dont know where Tevez will be next season as they don't own his rights. Until they changed their mind and now claim him as their own.

Its a joke, wonder how West Ham fans feel about the whole thing. The conduct of their management and execs have been embarassing.

its funny that West Ham had an option to buy Tevez outright, they could have done this before the £5m fine, they could have done so this summer - they chose NOT to. West Ham chose NOT to take up the offer to buy Tevez from MSI.

So Koorabchian starts looking for another club who will buy him or loan him for the next season and Utd came in.
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Damn, there's a lot of errors in this post. The only thing your right about is Magnusson admitting Tevez wont be playing for us this season, he never said anything contrary to the fact that West Ham own the registration. Defending their ownership, as i said yesterday, is part of the deal they made with the EPL when they 'terminated' the 3rd party deal
 
Ghost said:
Damn, there's a lot of errors in this post. The only thing your right about is Magnusson admitting Tevez wont be playing for us this season, he never said anything contrary to the fact that West Ham own the registration. Defending their ownership, as i said yesterday, is part of the deal they made with the EPL when they 'terminated' the 3rd party deal
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what the....this is really unfair. you should totally apologise!

if you haven't heard of something it doesnt make it an error. Just because you haven't done your research doesn't make it ok to disregard what I say because I'm the local idiotic Man Utd fanboy.

Back in March Eggy was involved in an interview:

KUMB: The player that most supporters have been talking about this year is Carlos Tevez, a success in a season where there's been so little to cheer. He's a traditional sort of West Ham player ...

EM: And now he's started to score goals ... [laughs]

KUMB: Which is a bonus! If we stay up - is there any chance he might stay?

EM: Yeah, of course there's a chance but as I've said in the press before, it's not up to me because West Ham don't own the rights to Tevez.

KUMB: But if you made an offer for Tevez we could buy him outright?

EM: Yes, that's something we could do.

KUMB: What happened to the four year contract he was supposed to have signed?

EM: The terms were that he could be moved whenever, you know. In the transfer windows.

KUMB: Would you like to see him stay?

EM: Yeah, he has been a great success and he's fighting for our survival, so of course. No question.
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Cornballer said:
I got it to work on Firefox, but it keeps on crapping out and turning into a slow slide-show. Oh well.
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That's what it's doing for me right now too, but when is the game supposed to start?
 
Ghost said:
This Heinze saga is getting interesting (them Argies and their drama), Man U have confirmed they are looking into how Liverpool have managed to approach their player without permission (ie tapped up).

This hits two nerves with me,

1) Liverpool BLATENTLY tapped up Benayoun earlier this summer, he goes away on holiday promising to sign a contract on his return, comes back demanding a move to liverpool.

2) Man U agree personal terms and performed a MEDICAL on Tevez, without permission, and no one did anything about it.



I do think I preferred the days in football where teams could actually reject offers for players and they just had to put up with it untill they were at the point where they could refuse a new contract. The way things work now with players swearing allegance to a club one minute then demanding a move to a bigger club the next makes me kinda sick.
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Now I'm not saying this happened -- but I wonder how much the media could play into this, and what constitutes tapping up exactly.

For instance... Benayoun says he'll sign a new contract with West Ham. Then Rafa tells a reporter, "That Benayoun is good, if he was available we'd be interested in him." This quickly becomes "Liverpool prepare bid for Benayoun." Then Benayoun sees that in the papers and dreams of a move to a bigger club.

Again Ghost, not trying to shift blame or say Liverpool are innocent -- I honestly do not know whether we tapped him up or not -- I'm just wondering, would THAT constitute tapping up?
 
Cornballer said:
I got it to work on Firefox, but it keeps on crapping out and turning into a slow slide-show. Oh well.
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This slide-show shit sucks. And the only time it starts going steady is when the camera is either on the bench or on the crowd or whatever.
 
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:lol
 
kaizoku said:
what the....this is really unfair. you should totally apologise!

if you haven't heard of something it doesnt make it an error. Just because you haven't done your research doesn't make it ok to disregard what I say because I'm the local idiotic Man Utd fanboy.

Back in March Eggy was involved in an interview:
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That was in March. The third party agreement that allowed Tevez to leave at MSIs request has since been 'terminated', West Ham own his registration, and a 4 year playing contract. MSI own...you know what, Im not gonna explain it all again, that conversation had nothing to do with the ownership of Tevez.
 
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