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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)
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psycho_snake said:
I'm not sure about the first half because I fell asleep before the match started (2.55 am over here) but the last 20 minutes were amazing. I didn't know Carrick was going to make his debut tonight. He looked promising and that pass to Solskjaer was wonderful which is a pity since Solskjaer didn't convert it. But I'm glad to see Solskjaer finally getting his goal tonight though I would have preferred it if he scored his first goal coming back from injury in front of the home crowd in Old Trafford. Great to see him back at last....
It's been 14 years since Bolton's won at Craven Cottage and the streak continues!
radicalbunny
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Bah, league's updated and I fell to 8th, despite great games from Shev, Cronaldo, and Van der Sar. I guess nearly everyone else has those same players. :lol
radicalbunny said:
Rank Team Points
1 Notvery Athletic 135.00
2 FC United 130.50
2 mo's ho's 130.50
4 Wax Free United 123.00
5 Ryck Fc 119.50
6 Truthiness XI 108.00
7 Igor Biscan our hero 103.50
8 Chicago Crúz 98.50
9 permanent vacation 96.00
10 Killbot Utd 95.50
11 Crys_Carlos 88.50
12 Evolution Buff Horns 84.50
13 Great King Bowsers 79.00
14 Real Lodi 76.00
15 Ikari Warriors 72.00
15 Melbourne United 72.00
17 The Wajiros 70.00
18 Teenage Armchair Honved Fan 69.50
19 ThugsWithSkill 66.50
20 Japseye Crew 65.50
21 Ghosts Gaudy Misfits 64.00
22 Juneau FC 54.00
23 DonPach followers 0
That's what I'm talking about baby! Hit number 6! Although there's already a bit of a gap between me and the top 5. Next week will be interesting, especially with only one game played this time.
SHOCKER:
Roy Keane to be announced as new manager of Sunderland tomorrow according to BBC and Sky Sports
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=411854&CPID=10&clid=56&lid=4161&title=Keane+set+for+Sunderland
Roy Keane to be announced as new manager of Sunderland tomorrow according to BBC and Sky Sports
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=411854&CPID=10&clid=56&lid=4161&title=Keane+set+for+Sunderland
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
It is ridiculous. I hope Sunderland get relegated again.
Bah @ Blackburn's draw. We outplayed Everton, should have wrapped up all 3 points (though relieved that Todd's "shoulder barge" on Johnson didn't get the penalty it deserved), but I'm sure we'll get points from games this season that we don't deserve too. At least we played well.
Didn't get many points today, but I only had 3 players playing. Shevchenko and Lampard did good, Niemi was going to get me points until the damn penalty against him. Oh and thankls for that Bolton, ZERO shots on goal the whole game for my keeper to save and rack up some points, except for a penalty, which he's unlikely to have any chance with and puts him into the negative.
Man Utd are so impressive. This is how they played towards the end of last season, and they're showing no signs of stopping. I know I've already made predictions and I won't change them based on form, but I just think they're a better team than Chelsea. Haven't really been tested at the back yet, so we'll have to wait and see on that, but going forward there's so much pace, power, trickery and movement that defences just can't compete.
Ronaldo's a big part of that, I can't believe even some United fans wanted him gone after the WC. Since the end of last season (and through the WC), he's lost a lot of his wastefulness and is using his talent so effectively...he's just terrifying. When you have him and Rooney floating around defences, backed up by the likes of Giggs and Saha...well, let's say I'm glad we've got Chelsea next game and not Man U.
Bah @ Blackburn's draw. We outplayed Everton, should have wrapped up all 3 points (though relieved that Todd's "shoulder barge" on Johnson didn't get the penalty it deserved), but I'm sure we'll get points from games this season that we don't deserve too. At least we played well.
Didn't get many points today, but I only had 3 players playing. Shevchenko and Lampard did good, Niemi was going to get me points until the damn penalty against him. Oh and thankls for that Bolton, ZERO shots on goal the whole game for my keeper to save and rack up some points, except for a penalty, which he's unlikely to have any chance with and puts him into the negative.
Man Utd are so impressive. This is how they played towards the end of last season, and they're showing no signs of stopping. I know I've already made predictions and I won't change them based on form, but I just think they're a better team than Chelsea. Haven't really been tested at the back yet, so we'll have to wait and see on that, but going forward there's so much pace, power, trickery and movement that defences just can't compete.
Ronaldo's a big part of that, I can't believe even some United fans wanted him gone after the WC. Since the end of last season (and through the WC), he's lost a lot of his wastefulness and is using his talent so effectively...he's just terrifying. When you have him and Rooney floating around defences, backed up by the likes of Giggs and Saha...well, let's say I'm glad we've got Chelsea next game and not Man U.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Luna104 said:
:lol Why!
MrPing1000
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Rank Team Points
1 Notvery Athletic 135.00
Finally where I belong.
Ole's goal was his first in 14months btw. not 3 years.
You are my Solskjaer,
My Ole Solskjaer,
You make me happy,
When skies are grey,
And Alan Shearer, Was f*cking dearer,
So Please don't take, My Solskjaer, Away.....
Woah at Keano. Chairman Niall Quinn, manager Roy Keane. Who would have thought it. They are still going down though.
1 Notvery Athletic 135.00
Finally where I belong.
Ole's goal was his first in 14months btw. not 3 years.
You are my Solskjaer,
My Ole Solskjaer,
You make me happy,
When skies are grey,
And Alan Shearer, Was f*cking dearer,
So Please don't take, My Solskjaer, Away.....
Woah at Keano. Chairman Niall Quinn, manager Roy Keane. Who would have thought it. They are still going down though.
radicalbunny said:Sweet! I put Shev in for Week 2 and he scores a goal and nearly makes another.
Week 2 is next week so you wont get any points for Shevchenko for this week
anyway i did well....upto second, considering i did so well maybe i made a mistake in changing my team although most of my points came from a few players who are still in my team so i should be alright
Stevie Gerrard
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Well, glad Arsenal were able to get their first win at the new digs. Wasn't able to see any of it (haven't even seen highlights yet...guess I'll download the game later), but reading that Walcott came in and provided the cross for the winning goal brought a smile to my face. Wenger said that if he keeps this going, he won't be able to leave him out of the lineup much longer. Again, it makes you wonder why he was never trotted out in Germany.
As for Chelsea...:lol :lol :lol (*ahem*). That was my basic reaction at the bar yesterday, watching the Man U game while Chelsea was on a TV at the far end. In retrospect we shouldn't be surprised...Middlesborough continues with the Jekyll and Hyde routine, blowing a two goal league to new boys Reading only to come back with two late goals against perhaps the deepest club on the planet to get three points. Same ole' Borough really. Man U on the other hand just looked terrific. I never thought goals would be a problem with them with Ruud's departure, but I didn't think they'd look this good early on.
As for Chelsea...:lol :lol :lol (*ahem*). That was my basic reaction at the bar yesterday, watching the Man U game while Chelsea was on a TV at the far end. In retrospect we shouldn't be surprised...Middlesborough continues with the Jekyll and Hyde routine, blowing a two goal league to new boys Reading only to come back with two late goals against perhaps the deepest club on the planet to get three points. Same ole' Borough really. Man U on the other hand just looked terrific. I never thought goals would be a problem with them with Ruud's departure, but I didn't think they'd look this good early on.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Due to a dumbass rule from FIFA saying that the referees word is final, if an incident is seen and dealt with, it can't be changed with video evidence. Well, it can't be increased anyway, cards are sometimes taken away later, just not added.
So because Thatcher got a yellow card, it's difficult to increase the punishment. There's probably something they can do, there must be some sort of "bringing the game into disrepute" punishment...but even if the FA are powerless, the police aren't. They've said they're investigating the incident.
He should be banned for 6 months for that to my mind, and fined. It's got to be the worst "tackle" I've ever seen. The guy had a seizure on the way to hospital for crying out loud! If Stuart Pearce has any sense of decency he'll be hugely fining Thatcher himself.
So because Thatcher got a yellow card, it's difficult to increase the punishment. There's probably something they can do, there must be some sort of "bringing the game into disrepute" punishment...but even if the FA are powerless, the police aren't. They've said they're investigating the incident.
He should be banned for 6 months for that to my mind, and fined. It's got to be the worst "tackle" I've ever seen. The guy had a seizure on the way to hospital for crying out loud! If Stuart Pearce has any sense of decency he'll be hugely fining Thatcher himself.
Mama Smurf said:
I agree with Luna. What Ooijer did to PSV, and he way he treated PSV and their supporters, is an outrage. Just because he has been playing for PSV for 8,5 years doesn't mean he 'deserved' an almost free transfer, as he demanded. He signed a contract a few years ago that stated that he had a limited transfersum of about 5 million Euro (meaning that if any club offers PSV 5 million Euro for Ooijer, PSV has to accept that offer). PSV wanted that limited transfersum in Ooijer contract to protected themselves against a possible leaving of Ooijer for only a small amount of money. In return, Ooijer received a significant salary upgrade. Now all of a sudden he's telling PSV that he wants to leave, convienently leaving out the fact that he received a much higher salary.
On top of that, he refused to play for PSV in the matches against Ajax (supercup) and NEC (first match of the competition), while in the meantime playing a match for the Dutch national team.
He and his accountant (dunno what the exact English term is) Sigi Lens basically forced PSV to transfer Ooijer in order for PSV to still get some money off of him. Really pathetic, the way they forced their way out of their obligations towards PSV. They only reason Ooijer has gone to Blackburn is because he desperately wants to make some more money the last few years of his career, not because he gives a damn about Blackburn.
I'm not one to hold grudges against ex-PSV players, but what Ooijer did I will never forget or forgive, and that's the way probably all PSV supporters view this matter.
Vennegoor on the other hand played it by the book. He waited until Celtic and PSV had come to an agreement, all the while giving himself a 100% for PSV (he scored against NEC).
Mama Smurf said:
I know. I was one of those who wanted him gone after the WC. But GODDAMN, he seems to have improved TREMENDOUSLY from last season. While he still takes too many long shots from outside the box, he appears to have toned it down a little. His passes and his runs have improved so much. Everyone knows that he's got potential but I was one of those who thought that he would never fulfill that potential due to his lack of maturity. While he certainly hasn't reached his peak yet, I'm glad to see that he's well on his way.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Falch said:
...bloody hell you guys are sensitive.
For a start it wasn't an almost free transfer. Blackburn made a very reasonable offer for a 32 year old with one year left on his contract, PSV were the unreasonable ones in somehow thinking they should get more than they did for Bouma, which is ridiculous.
Bouma was 28 when he moved, which is generally the age that players are in the prime of their careers. You would hope for another 4 years of top quality play from a 28 year old and maybe another 3 years of decent play as they head towards retirement. For Ooijer we're only buying those last 3 years of decent play, we've completely missed out on those crucial years where the player's experience is matched by his fitness.
So we offer £2m for a 32 year old who could leave for nothing next summer, and PSV say they want over £3.5m (5m euros), because that's what they sold a 28 year old with 3 years left on his contract for. That's completely unreasonable.
It's even more unreasonable when he'd been there 8.5 years and given the best years of his life to PSV. Now sure, if he was trying to use that as an excuse to be let go for free you could argue he's a bastard (though it does happen, like with Arsenal and Campbell), but a reasonable offer came in, he wanted to go, he'd been a loyal servant to PSV for the majority of his career...and they wouldn't let him. I'm not surprised he went on strike, with PSV treating him like that.
Mama Smurf said:
Wooh...
You take the facts, and turn them around completely the wrong way. First of all, how the hell can you think that £2m is a reasonable deal for Ooijer? He may be 32, but he's also the best Dutch defender there is (quite frankly a team like Blackburn isn't good enough for him), played an excellent WC and will be able to play on that level for at least 3 more years, with the amout of experience he has.
Second of all, PSV and Ooijer had an agreement. Ooijer signed his contract knowing full well that if he would want to leave, a club would have to offer PSV the right amount of money, namely the 5 million euro he agreed to in his contract. In return, Ooijer received a considerable upgrade of his salary.
Third, your comparison of Bouma and Ooijer is horribly wrong. When Bouma left, PSV had enough other defenders to fill his gap (atleast, with Ooijer and Alex). He didn't nearly play as important a role as Ooijer did last year. The value of a player is co-determined by the role he plays in the team, and by comparing Bouma to Ooijer you show your utter lack of understanding this situation.
Also, don't give me that "given the best years of his life to PSV" crap, like he didn't get a huge salary in return. It was PSV who bought Ooijer from Roda JC after he had failed to make an impression at Ajax. Throughout his eight years of playing for PSV, there have been 4 seasons in which he missed atleast 13 matches for PSV because of injuries. He played an average of 22,5 matches per season for PSV (not counting CL and Cupgames).
If he had waited one more year, he could have left PSV for a much nicer club than Blackburn, on a free transfer. Instead, he wants to leave immediatly, thereby throwing away all the respect he had gained for the PSV supporters throughout the years.
Mama Smurf, I really respect and apreciate your contribution to this thread, but in this case you have no idea what you're talking about. If you had known anything about PSV, you would know that PSV is always open in negotiating with other clubs, and actually has a name as being a very reasonable club that will never deny a player the next step in their carreer (last year: Bouma, Lee, Park, year before that Kezman and Robben, and I could go on and on, PSV has a respectable name concerning transfers). There's a reason PSV is well known and well respect in The Netherlands for their care, warmth and calmness in comparison to other big Dutch teams like Ajax, Feyenoord and AZ.
radicalbunny
Member
Stevie Gerrard said:
Jesus ****in' christ. He needs to be disciplined heavily and/or banned for the whole season.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Falch said:
I would never buy a 32 year old centre back with one year left on his contract for more than £2m, I wouldn't care if it was Cannavaro we were talking about. I wouldn't even pay the £3.5m PSV wanted if he had 5 years left on his contract, though in that case £2.5-3m would be reasonable. With 1 year left, players prices drop dramatically, look at Owen going to Real for £8m when he was 24. He was worth over £20m back then, based on the actual quality of his play and the fact that he had most of his career left, but they got him for less than half that.
So yeah, given the circumstances £2m was an excellent offer.
wtf? These are buy out clauses. They're nothing special, loads of players have them. And they don't work like you think they do. They're there so that, if a club POINT BLANK REFUSES to sell a player (like PSV still could have done), they know they'll at least get more than a player is worth if he still decides to go to whoever's bidding. They're not supposed to be the actual price you sell the player for if you let them go.
Look at Messi. He has a buy out clause of £100m in his contract at Barcelona. Now if bids are made and Barca agree to let him go for the right price (like PSV with Ooijer), they're not going to actually get £100m. That's for the scenario where they refuse to let him go, so they've covered themselves to get more than his worth if the worst happens. In the scenario where they sell "Alright, you can go if we get a good enough bid", he'd probably be worth about £60-70m. If he had one year left on his contract, that would drop to £40-50m.
How about Milan Baros? He has a buy out clause of £18m in his contract at Villa, but if they ever sell him they won't get anywhere near that much, they wouldn't expect to. It's just there because, if anyone's foolish enough to pay that much, they won't care about seeing him go because the money they now have to spend is worht so much more to them.
I don't know where you've got this idea that buy out clauses are what clubs actually sell their players for, loads of players have them and they're hardly ever met. Low ones are (where a club knows a youth player is good so put a buy out clause in his contract, only they actually end up undervaluing who he's going to turn into and 2 years later some big club gets a massive bargain), but I can't even remember the last high one.
Of course, but that still doesn't justify the same price. While Bouma might not have played as important a role, he still had about 7 years of playing career left. Ooijer has 3. That pretty much levels up their prices for me. then you take into account that the latter could leave for nothing in a year's time while the former has a 3 year contract left and Ooijer's price drops to a lower level.
If anything from your description of the situation, Villa paid too much for Bouma.
It's not about his salary. I'm not saying he didn't get anything out of his time at PSV and purely gave to them, that would be ridiculous.
The point is, he's given at least as much to PSV as they've given to him. And he didn't just turn up one season, play well, get his head turned by a bigger club and leave. Therefore, when he wants to go and is coming towards the end of his career and the offer is reasonable, he should expect to be allowed to leave.
:lol And this would not make him a bastard?! I don't understand the logic here! You know why Fulham fans hate Steed Malbranque right now? Because he wants to go, but is refusing to be sold to clubs he doesn't feel are big enough for him, and instead is trying to hold out so he can leave next summer on a free transfer. Fulham have to keep a player who doesn't even want to play for them, and he's going to leave them with no money for him, just so he can go and play at a nicer club than those who have made offers.
It's almost exactly the situation you describe with Ooijer. And you want this?! Why! Malbranque is completely screwing Fulham over, being a complete bastard, when he could do what Ooijer did and and go to a lower club than he might in a year's time, but leave you with some money for it. Now how is the latter the bastard rather than the former?
I'm glad you mentioned some of those players. You sold Kezman for £5m to Chelsea when he was 25 and by far the best striker in Holland? How does this not make the Ooijer deal seem fantastic? They wanted £3.5m when Kezman was sold for £5m? Very similar circumstances, 1 year left on their contracts...
Mama Smurf said:
Well I guess we just differ in opinion here. Not even Cannavaro, you crazy man.
Also, I disagree because for just £2m PSV will never be able to buy a new defender that even comes close to the Ooijer's capabilities.
I know how they work. The problem however, is that PSV could NOT refuse to sell Ooijer, considering the consequences (missing out on several million euro's, having a player in the squad that doesn't want to play). Ooijer knew that, and took advantage of it. And I blame him for that.
You say that Ooijer and PSV would be about even, not really owing each other anything. Why then would PSV want to just let him go towards the end of his career? You can just as easily turn this whole thing around and say that Ooijer should've stayed. He knows how important he is to the whole team. The only experienced and up to par central defender we have is Alex. By leaving now, he abandons his teammates and fans. Anyway, this all boils down to whether or not the offer made for him was reasonable or not.
The difference between Malbranque and Ooijer is that apparently Fulham wants to get some money for Malbranque rather than him playing for another year for Fulham, which is understandable. In Ooijer's case however PSV would rather see Ooijer stay for a year, then leave right now. In fact, before this whole Blackburn affair, Ooijer was quite close to signing a new contract at PSV. Now why would he suddenly have changed his mind? Quite confusing for PSV, having expected that Ooijer would stay.
The point is, what's more use for PSV right now: Ooijer or £2m? I'd say (as does PSV) Ooijer staying.
Also, Ooijer's behavior (not being up for it mentally) is pathetic. I wouldn't have had nearly as much problems with him leaving if he hadn't done that. It shows of no respect towards the fans.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I can understand being annoyed at a player refusing to play, but he obviously felt the move wasn't going to happen without him doing so. Maybe he was wrong, but regardless, it's a month out of a great career he's had with you, don't hate him for that.
I'm a bit confused. You said:
which sounds like you think it's a fair price. But then you say:
which makes it sound like you don't think it was a fair price.
Also, our initial bid was £2m, so I don't see how that counts as loose change.
I'm a bit confused. You said:
which sounds like you think it's a fair price. But then you say:
which makes it sound like you don't think it was a fair price.
Also, our initial bid was £2m, so I don't see how that counts as loose change.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Falch said:Well I guess we just differ in opinion here. Not even Cannavaro, you crazy man.
Also, I disagree because for just £2m PSV will never be able to buy a new defender that even comes close to the Ooijer's capabilities.
But you're talking about quality, not worth. There's no doubting his quality, but quality /= worth.
Look at two different players. They're pretty equal in quality, play in the same position and for the next year or two will play at the same level. The quality of the players is equal. But player 1 is 32 and has 1 year left on his contract. Player 2 is 21 and has 5 years left on his contract.
So despite the quality being the same, their worth is different. Player 1's value drops because of his age straight away. It drops again with his contract being up next year, the club knows if they ask too much no one will buy him and they'll lose him for a free next season.
Player 2 on the other hand has worth that actually matches his quality. His age is no problem and there's no risk of losing him on a free anytime soon so you can wait for the right offer. In fact, his value probably exceeds his current quality, as 21 year olds often get better so you're also paying for potential.
Unfortunately for PSV, Ooijer is a player 1. You can't expect to sell him based on his quality, it's about so much more than that.
Well they could have refused, but like you say, there are consquences. And those possible consequences are exactly the reason they should never have expected to be able to get the buy out fee for him. Maybe they could have a year or two ago, but not now.
Well they wouldn't just be letting him go, they'd be getting money in exchange. It does come dwon to worth though, as you say.
Well I don't know if that's true. The first bit about wanting him to stay rather than cashing in. Seemed to me from their comments that they were ok with him going, they just wanted more money for it.
I have no idea why he changed his mind, I don't know why he came to Blackburn at all (though I'm glad he did). Maybe he wanted a new challenge, perhaps something/someone at PSV pissed him off.
Well I can understand this, I'd prefer Neill to stay a year and leave on a free than go somewhere for £2m. Difference for me is, Neill's young enough to be worth more than that. If the offer was £3.5-4m, I'd say that's reasonable and let him go now. And as I've made clear, I see the £2m for Ooijer as reasonable.
That's fine if he would have actually gone still if he'd kept playing. But I'm not sure if that's the case. I mean, our final bid basically matched our opening one, so we didn't get him through negotiation. I don't think we'd have gone higher either, certainly nowhere near £3.5m. It does seem to me that his refusal to play secured the transfer...whether that was right or wrong.
On the subject of his value...why didn't anyone outbid us if he's worth more? His quality isn't in question, you say he's the best defender in Holland and I can believe that. I didn't pay attention to who did what specifically in the WC, I had no idea we'd be getting Ooijer, but the Dutch defence as a whole were very impressive and he was part of that. And as Holland had one of the best defences at the WC, that makes him one of the best defenders in the world.
So how did Blackburn get him for £2.1m? I can't imagine we're his dream club, or that we could offer him wages others couldn't match, we're not rich in any way. We got him because no one else tried to outbid us. But why not? Bigger clubs had plenty of time to get a bid together, it was quite a protracted transfer, it's not like we suddenly announced we'd signed him out of nowhere and no one else had a chance.
So why did we get him and not a bigger club? There can only be one reason...they didn't think he was worth more than we bid. It's not his quality, but with his wage and contract about to go, no one felt they could justify a higher price. Even moneybags Portsmouth who were rumoured to be interested didn't bother trying to outbid us, which they could have easily done.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Luna104 said:
It was reported as £2m from the start over here. I can't imagine we'd have bid only £400,000, we'd never have any hope with that much. Regardless, if we did offer lower then I understand PSV holding out for more...though if they were ever serious about the £3.5m then it wasn't realistic. Of course, it might just have been a bargaining chip.
EDIT: Oh **** these awards, just draw the damn groups!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
It's Chelsea against Barca or Real! Haha, who will get them!
EDIT: It's Barcelona! Yeeeeeey!
EDIT: It's Barcelona! Yeeeeeey!
radicalbunny
Member
Barca and Chelsea :lol
Time for the Mourinho whinetrain to go full steam ahead!
Time for the Mourinho whinetrain to go full steam ahead!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Ermmm...this is fixed. Seriously. The 1st seeds had all been drawn and so had 5 of the second seeds. There were Chelsea, Celtic and Lyon left. The groups left to go into were Man Utd, Barcelona and Real Madrid. Chelsea were the next drawn and obviously can't go into Man Utd's group....but the guy drawing it said "and there's only one place for Chelsea to go, and that's group A", which is Barca's group. But why? Why couldn't they have been drawn in Real's group? They didn't even draw it, they just said Group A was the only one left for Chelsea and put them in it.
Can someone explain that to me. Did they **** up (fix it) or have I not understood something?
Can someone explain that to me. Did they **** up (fix it) or have I not understood something?
gollumsluvslave
Member
Hehehe Celtic get Man Utd!!
Whippings ahoy! They got gubbed by the Man Utd kid side pre-season!
LOL Strachan must be groaning at the ribbing he'll be getting from Fergie :lol :lol :lol
Whippings ahoy! They got gubbed by the Man Utd kid side pre-season!
LOL Strachan must be groaning at the ribbing he'll be getting from Fergie :lol :lol :lol
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Barcelona
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
?????
****ing hell.
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
?????
****ing hell.
radicalbunny
Member
Chelsea
Barca
Werder Bremen
Barca
Werder Bremen
Mama Smurf, that because you have 2 colours. Blue and Red.
All seeded-1 UK teams are in the red group (for example), so all the seeded-2 UK teams are in the blue one so they can't play eachother in the group stages.
Barça & Real were in different colours. Real on the English side's colours, Barça the other one
All seeded-1 UK teams are in the red group (for example), so all the seeded-2 UK teams are in the blue one so they can't play eachother in the group stages.
Barça & Real were in different colours. Real on the English side's colours, Barça the other one
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Ah I see, that makes sense I suppose.
At least Chelsea can't get straight knocked out by Barca this time (well...not yet), they should be strong enough to come second in the group, though Bremen are very dangerous. Better than getting Barca second round I guess.
At least Chelsea can't get straight knocked out by Barca this time (well...not yet), they should be strong enough to come second in the group, though Bremen are very dangerous. Better than getting Barca second round I guess.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Chelsea get Levski Sofia - would suggest that that Bremen is the danger to them, but Chealsea and Barca should go through.
gollumsluvslave
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Tough group for Madrid as well
Lyon, Kiev and Steaua
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