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ElyrionX said:
I don't see how that's gonna work. The centre midfield will just be one big mess. Actually I would prefer Smith over O'Shea for the DMF position. Both aren't really impressive in that role but Smith has a tendency to save our asses just right when we need him to.

I didn't know O'Shea can play on the left side of midfield and even if he can, I don't think it's a good idea. O'Shea tends to be really defensive with his distribution of the ball. You hardly ever see him passing it forward with a creative and attacking flair which is something we need on our flanks. Otherwise, we're just going to rely too much on Ronaldo on the right.
I guess I explained that wrong let me try this instead...


-------------Van der sar-----------------


Neville-----Ferdinand--Brown---Evra--


-------O'shea--Scholes---Carrick------


----Ronaldo-----------Rooney----------


----------------Saha---------------------



Obviously Rooney will be more of a second striker but he plays so deep anyways...
O'shea will drop back a bit whereas Carrick will have room to move around and make passes. Scholes will move forward into attack as usual and Ronaldo pretty much plays all over the place anyway.
 
Ryck said:
I guess I explained that wrong let me try this instead...


-------------Van der sar-----------------


Neville-----Ferdinand--Brown---Evra--


-------O'shea--Scholes---Carrick------


----Ronaldo-----------Rooney----------


----------------Saha---------------------



Obviously Rooney will be more of a second striker but he plays so deep anyways...
O'shea will drop back a bit whereas Carrick will have room to move around and make passes. Scholes will move forward into attack as usual and Ronaldo pretty much plays all over the place anyway.

Ahhh, I see it now. Thanks for the diagram. And yeah, I can see that working though we've been playing pretty well lately so I'm kind of wary of any significant changes to our formation.
 
ElyrionX said:
Ahhh, I see it now. Thanks for the diagram. And yeah, I can see that working though we've been playing pretty well lately so I'm kind of wary of any significant changes to our formation.
Oh yeah of course, this is basically an emergency situation at the moment what with two wingers out. Believe me I am loving our play at the moment ...damn injuries.
 
That's pretty much the formation Ferguson tried to force on you for ages (desperate to play like Chelsea were) and it didn't work once, finally caving to fan pressure to go back to a 4-4-2 with immediate results.

United fans are really hard on some of their own players, particularly Richardson and O'Shea, both of whom I rate. The formation should be clear anyway:


------------------Van der sar-----------------


Neville------Ferdinand---Brown-------Evra--


Solskjaer---Scholes-----Carrick----Ronaldo


---------------Saha-----Rooney---------

Maybe O'Shea ahead of Carrick.

Blackburn are 2-1 up at half-time, crucial away goals. Sound great, wish it was on FUCKING TV!
 
That will work for now, but really can Solskjaer go 90 minutes? Well I guess you can use Fletch and Richardson as subs. The more I think about a 4-3-2-1 the more I think your right.. I guess I just wanted to see if Carrick would make it work.

Also Fegie didn't even want to put Ole on the wing as a sub ( Rooney moved to the left flank after Giggs got hurt) I somehow doubt he'll start him there.
 
Well he came on on the left and then didn;'t do anything, so Rooney went out ther einstead at halftime.

That's different though, Fletcher was never going to be able to play on the left, he couldn't even play on the right, so it was Solskjaer either up front or on the left. Now he'll be able to play on the right thanks to Ronaldo, where he actually can.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Well he came on on the left and then didn;'t do anything, so Rooney went out ther einstead at halftime.

That's different though, Fletcher was never going to be able to play on the left, he couldn't even play on the right, so it was Solskjaer either up front or on the left. Now he'll be able to play on the right thanks to Ronaldo, where he actually can.
Very true... so basically



------------------van Der Sar---------------


----------Neville--Ferdinand--Brown--Evra-


Solskjaer/Fletcher--Scholes--Carrick--Ronaldo/Richardson


-----------------Rooney-------Saha------------



I guess I could live with that not that I have much of a choice.
 
Shit, last minute equaliser, game's ended 2-2.

Oh well, we're still on top with two away goals. And as well as West Ham are playing compared to Palermo, I'm kind of glad the latter are winning, gives me hope of seeing Blackburn games if we get through.
 
We do have a big proiblem to sort out without Giggs. Solskjaer can probably play on the right, but its going to be difficult for him to play a whole game especially against Arsenal. Not only is it going to be tough for someone his age to play a whole game, but arsenal have got very fast defenders. The likes of rooney and ronaldo should be able to cope, but solskjaer is going to find it very difficult to outrun someone lke eboue or gallas.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about park. buit from what Ive seen of him this season he hasnt been excellent, but he is better than flethcer and richardson. He played well against arsenal last season so maybe fergie will decide to play park.
 
why wasn't ronaldo playing against celtic? is he injured? if so for how long? Manchester was really missing the creativity in that game because of this.
 
Nah, Man U had more then enough chances. Their defense was pathetic on a few occassions...that was their biggest weakness. Besides, Ronandlo was apparantely under suspension in Champions League play...he'll be fine for Sunday.

Park is out two or three months...think he tore some knee or ankle ligaments against Spurs, so that's why he wasn't around Wednesday.

Drogba said that with Gallas leaving Stamford Bridge they lost the best defender in the world. Maybe Cashley Mole will add an extra chapter to his silly book to whine that he's not getting any respect at Chelsea.

Meanwhile Arsenal have denied reports in the Sun of a 350 million pound bid by a consortium bid, including (you guessed it) a billionaire Russian! According to the Sun there's been movement behind the scenes for a while, with one group of bidders balking in the summer when they heard the price. So we will see...I wouldn't be surprised if it happened though.
 
Bud said:
why wasn't ronaldo playing against celtic? is he injured? if so for how long? Manchester was really missing the creativity in that game because of this.

Ronaldo was suspended for 2 matches as he got a red card from last season's CL match.

And Park is out for 3 months due to injury...
 
psycho_snake said:
Everyone seems to have forgotten about park. buit from what Ive seen of him this season he hasnt been excellent, but he is better than flethcer and richardson. He played well against arsenal last season so maybe fergie will decide to play park.

Ummm no one forgot about Park. Without Giggs, Park would have been the first choice left winger, IMO. He's CLEARLY better than Fletcher and Richardson. Only problem is that he tore his ankle ligament and is out for three months...
 
ElyrionX said:
Ummm no one forgot about Park. Without Giggs, Park would have been the first choice left winger, IMO. He's CLEARLY better than Fletcher and Richardson. Only problem is that he tore his ankle ligament and is out for three months...
My bad, I didnt know about that, which is wierd because I check a lot of football sites so regularly. Well it seems like solskjaer is our best option because he will add more to the team than fletcher and richardson. Fletcher can play well in central midfield, but he lacks consistancy whilst richardson just isnt good enough despite scoring some excellent goals. Roy keane might have been wrong to speak the way he did about some of the united players, but he said what nearly every fan was thinking.
 
Shinobi said:
Meanwhile Arsenal have denied reports in the Sun of a 350 million pound bid by a consortium bid, including (you guessed it) a billionaire Russian! According to the Sun there's been movement behind the scenes for a while, with one group of bidders balking in the summer when they heard the price. So we will see...I wouldn't be surprised if it happened though.
yeah, I really hope not.

edit:
I completely forgot that Rooney is back for the game on Sunday.

He's big
He's red
He'll take your nan to bed
Rooney.
 
The game's better be good this Sunday. Liverpool - Chelsea have known to produce 0-0 bores, but also more exciting games, and a return to Man U - Arsenal rivalries is needed.

I do hope United win and Chelsea lose points though. Simply because that would put United 5 or 6 points ahead of Chelsea and would really make the league look interesting. I'd prefer United (only them because they've picked up the most points so far) to win all their games against Arsenal and Liverpool this year, better than them all taking points off each other and letting Chelsea gradually pull away.

Oh, and I'm finding Liverpool depressing this season. I don't like or understand Benitez's rotation policy. I like teams who have at least 8 definite starters if they're all fit and available, then the last 3 places can be up for grabs by the players most impressive from the rest at that moment, or maybe picked based on the opposition.

So far this season they've played 7 games. The bold is changes from the previous week:

Maccabi Haifa:

Pepe Reina
John Arne Riise
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Boudewijn Zenden
Xabi Alonso
Steven Gerrard
Momo Sissoko
Craig Bellamy
Jermaine Pennant

Chelsea:

Pepe Reina
John Arne Riise
Daniel Agger
Jamie Carragher
Steve Finnan
Mark Gonzalez
Momo Sissoko
Boudewijn Zenden
Jermaine Pennant
Peter Crouch
Luis Garcia

Sheffield United:

Pepe Reina
John Arne Riise
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Jan Kromkamp
Fabio Aurelio

Momo Sissoko
Boudewijn Zenden
Steven Gerrard
Craig Bellamy
Robbie Fowler


Maccabi Haifa:

Pepe Reina
Stephen Warnock
Daniel Agger

Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Mark Gonzalez
Xabi Alonso

Momo Sissoko
Jermaine Pennant
Peter Crouch
Luis Garcia


West Ham:

Pepe Reina
Fabio Aurelio
Daniel Agger
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Luis Garcia
Xabi Alonso
Steven Gerrard
Jermaine Pennant
Craig Bellamy
Peter Crouch

Everton:

Pepe Reina
Fabio Aurelio
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Luis Garcia
Xabi Alonso
Momo Sissoko
Steven Gerrard (c)
Peter Crouch
Robbie Fowler

PSV:

Pepe Reina
Stephen Warnock
Daniel Agger

Jamie Carragher
Steve Finnan
Fabio Aurelio
Momo Sissoko
Boudewijn Zenden
Jermaine Pennant
Craig Bellamy
Dirk Kuyt


Now admittedly, some changes are forced by injuries. But I'd actually argue this has made Benitez more consistent in his selections after the injuries because he has fewer players to mess about with.

I mean, look at those strikeforces. Bellamy with Gerrard behind. Crouch with Garcia behind. Bellamy and Fowler. Crouch with Garcia behind. Crouch and Bellamy. Crouch and Fowler. Bellamy and Kuyt.

Once it's been the same, in 7 games. How is anyone meant to work up a partnership in that situation?

He had a pretty set team last year. Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Kewell, Crouch and then one of the other strikers. He'd mix it up occasionally, but if you were playing Liverpool the next weekend, you were pretty sure which team would turn up. And they actually were a team, not a bunch of names Benitez swirls in a hat and then pours out on a desk and picks the first 11 he sees.

I just find it depressing somehow.
 
The Mirror said:
Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill is going to be given a £22m transfer kitty by new owner Randy Lerner.

Cha-ching! January will be fun. Now we just need to stay top 10 until then.
 
another good day in the fantasy football league for me, I now seriously want my points for that middlesbrough portsmouth game that they didn't yet rate. Ah well, who cares really.

Portsmouth is doing extremely well so far. I expected them to play for a place in Europe, but if they continue like that they could challenge for a champions league spot.

I'm getting quite nervous about tomorrow. I think Arsenal are gonna win, even without Henry and Persie. Although I'm half expecting Henry to play because I think there's a bit of a mind game going on.
 
I sure hope so...he's missed a bunch of Man U games the last few years, and the only time he's scored at Old Trafford was the game we got assraped 6-1. Ironically I think this is the best team for Arsenal to face if they want to score, because United are one of the few teams that play a similiar open style, instead of leaving ten back like most of the Prem likes to do against us. Problem is Arsenal's defense has looked shakey at times, and United have the sort of weapons that could exploit it. So we'll see how that goes.
 
The day has come :D

I'm off to the pub to watch both games. I hope I'm still smiling when I come back. At least I should be drunk enough to not care by the time it's over.
 
Woohoo, PSV beat Feyenoord 2-1:

PSV Eindhoven 2-1 Feyenoord Rotterdam
PA
EINDHOVEN, September 17 (Eredivisie) - Ronald Koeman claimed the bragging rights over older brother Erwin as PSV Eindhoven edged out Feyenoord at the Philips Stadion.

Ronald, in his first season in charge of PSV, guided his side to back-to-back Eredivisie wins courtesy of Jefferson Farfan and Alex's first half strikes as the home side bounced back from their midweek goalless draw with Liverpool in the Champions League.

Jonathan De Guzman had pulled a goal back for Feyenoord on the stroke of half-time but PSV held out to claim the three points and show they will not surrender the title won by Ronald's predecessor Guus Hiddink without a struggle.

PSV took an early the lead as Farfan curled home a eighth minute free-kick from the edge of the area.

Substitute Pierre van Hooijdonk looked to respond for the visitors but his long range strike was headed clear by Ibrahim Afellay, who was quickly replaced by Ismail Aissati after being struck by the goalbound effort.

PSV doubled their advantage two minutes before the break as Alex converted Jan Kromkamp's right wing cross.

De Guzman gave Feyenoord hope as he reduced the deficit just before the break with a neat close range finish.

PSV pushed to restore the two-goal advantage as Arouna Kone saw his close range strike beaten away by Feyenoord goalkeeper Henk Timmer 10 minutes after the restart.

Kone was involved 10 minutes later as the striker picked out substitute Aissati, but he could not direct his effort on goal.

Feyenoord looked to claim a point in the closing stages but De Guzman shot over after being picked out by substitute Ali Boussaboun as the home side held onto their slender advantage and leave Erwin Koeman's side with just one win so far this season.

We dominated Feyenoord the first half. Kone is a beast, he played very well. I still remember Hiddink saying last year: "Walking into Kone is like walking into a refridgerator". :D Farfan was good too, scored a nice 35 meter free kick. Also, Tardelli debuted pretty good. Too bad both Afellay and Farfan got injured (both seem to have a concussion).

Kluivert debuted too, played the last 15 minutes, pretty nice.

Also, Ajax lost 2-0 to Roda JC. :D
 
Falch said:
Woohoo, PSV beat Feyenoord 2-1:



We dominated Feyenoord the first half. Kone is a beast, he played very well. I still remember Hiddink saying last year: "Walking into Kone is like walking into a refridgerator". :D Farfan was good too, scored a nice 35 meter free kick. Also, Tardelli debuted pretty good. Too bad both Afellay and Farfan got injured (both seem to have a concussion).

Kluivert debuted too, played the last 15 minutes, pretty nice.

Also, Ajax lost 2-0 to Roda JC. :D

How did Salcido do?
 
Outdoor Miner said:
How did Salcido do?

Very well. When PSV bought him, he was supposed to be our leftback (we've had trouble finding a decent replacement ever since YP Lee left), but then Ooijer suddenly left, so now we have a central defense with Alex and Salcido, which is in my opinion just as good as Alex and Ooijer. Salcido is very good in one-on-one situation, very calm, has enough speed. Only thing he needs to improve on are his long balls, but he's still adjusting tot the team. Only problem is, we now still haven't got a decent leftback.:lol

So far al our new players are doing very well: Salcido, Mendez, Kromkamp, and Tardelli and Kluivert, who both debuted today.
 
Chelsea win as I thought they would. Every year my friend is convinced Liverpool will win the league and are better than us (manyoo) every year I think they aren't good enough. Every year I'm right (champs league was a fluke tbh ;p ) They should have ****ing scored though grr, Chelsea need to drop more points.

So our team for the arsenal game is a bit offputting...

Kuszczak
Gnev
Brown
Rio
Silvestre
Fletcher
scholes
O'Shea
Ronaldo
Rooney
Saha

carrick on the bench vds has a stomach bug.

I fear for our midfield :/ I wish Henry was playing he's shit
against big teams
 
Holy sh*t!

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Didn't see that coming.
 
ugh, we played like we did against Celtic, only this time the team we were playing was actually good.

We deserved to lose, absolutely terrible. Wtf is up with Rooney?
 
Bollocks. After winning 5 games in a row I really thought that we could beat arsenal, especially at home, but as soon as the match started I wasnt expecting us to get three points.

Arsenal were good, but they were made to look better than they actually were because we were all over the place. The whole team was very very clumsy. First we give away a penalty, but Kuszscak did well to save it. Straight after that we managed to keep the ball away from going in, again Kuszscak doing well to push it onto the post. For his debut he did very well and he was unfortunate to concede a goal because he made some spectacular saves, such as the one against rosicky. He gave everyone a heart attack when he gave away the penalty but he redeemed himself by saving it. He was lucky not to be sent off, but Lehmann should have been sent off too so it woudlnt have been fair for lehmann to get away with an offense and for kuscszak to get sent off. To be honest he was probably our best player, he played excellently especially considering this was his debut and it was against Arsneal. Unfortunately for him the defence was all over the place and the rest of the team was sloppy.

We let the arsenal attack get through the defence too much and we gave them a lot of space. When someone like rosicky is playing against you, you cnt afford to give him space. We let arsenal play their nice football. We didnt close the players down and when we had the chance to attack we didnt attack quick enough.

Putting O'shea instead of carrick was a good thing. Carrick might be a better midfielder than O'shea, but O'shea is better at tackling and winning balls and thats what we needed for this game. However we also needed to keep possession and pass the ball around and thats what carrick does brilliantly. Unfortunately o'shea just wasnt good enough. fabregas was in a league of his own today, was superb and he didnt give our midfield a chance. For a 19 year old he has got such amazing talent because he completely commanded the midfield.

Arsenal proved that Uniteds midfield is vunerable. The reason we have been so successful at the sstart of this season is because our attacking force has been very good and we play very qucikly, but we couldnt do that today because giggs was injured, rooney wasnt playing anywhere near what he could and ronaldo was sloppy. Its his fault that arsenal scored the goal because instead of kicking the ball away he tries his ****ing tricks and we paid the price for that. Ronaldo has been good so far, but today he had a complete lack of concentration, he was poor in general. So was rooney. being suspended from playing has affected him because he doesnt have that match fitness.

I cant say that arsenal didnt deserve that. They didnt do anything wrong and they really troubled us. Im not too bothered about it. When the game started I expected us to eitther draw or lose because we never looked good enough to win the game. Its not a massive blow. We beat chelsea last season but they still won the premiership. As long as we beat the teams we are expected to beat then we should be able to challenge for the title.
 
Cornballer said:
World class save by Lehmann to preserve the lead. Great match!
That save was amazing. I was pulling my hair when it happened because it was such a difficult save to pull off, solskjaer looked certain to score.
 
Will be interesting to see the highlights of the United - Arsenal match but I listened to it on Five Live and from the soudns of it not starting with Carrick was a mistake.
 
Wes said:
Will be interesting to see the highlights of the United - Arsenal match but I listened to it on Five Live and from the soudns of it not starting with Carrick was a mistake.
Im not so sure. Carrick lacks the physical strength and the ability to tackle to succeed in a match like this, but at the same time he's excellent at keeping possession and that what we needed today.

United actually had a lot of chances. Ronaldo had an amazing chance, it was very similar to gerrards today, but he made the same mistake as gerrard and went for power instead of placing it.
 
It was a pretty good match. Rather even throughout. We had some chances and Arsenal had theirs. Too bad we lost....

If only Rooney did not have that ridiculous three-match ban then maybe we could have had a better chance....
 
Our midfield was absolutely useless sans Scholes... then Fergie took him off ugh. The sooner Fergie realises Fletcher is a championship player the better.
 
it was a good day. The pub was full with manyoo fans (who to my great surprise do not all come from Korea or China. They just don't come from Manchester, lesson learned) and since I couldn't hold back voicing my opinions so I very nearly got into a fight.

I was screaming for Adebayor to be substituted before he scored, so again it showed how much I know.

I think the win was fully deserved, Arsenal should have scored more goals to be honest. I don't think Manyoo were as poor as people now say - Arsenal were just better, in every way.

I love the German nutter btw.

I am obviously joking about the origin of Manu fans
 
MrPing1000 said:
Our midfield was absolutely useless sans Scholes... then Fergie took him off ugh. The sooner Fergie realises Fletcher is a championship player the better.

Well, we didn't have much of a choice today, did we? Or would you have preferred Richardson on the left and Ronaldo on the right? I'll take Fletcher, thank you.
 
MrPing1000 said:
I fear for our midfield :/ I wish Henry was playing he's shit
against big teams

:lol :lol :lol Even though he's scored against Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan and ****ing Brazil, he's shit against big teams...good call!



paul777 said:
Why in holy god's name is Gilberto Silva taking Arsenal's penalties?

To be fair the penalty he took midweek was outstanding. But er, yeah...I'd rather see Rosicky or Fabregas taking those.

Just like last year's Old Trafford clash, I thought the first half was about as good a spectacle as I've seen so far this year. Two teams just going right at each other. And not with the idea of kicking each other in the shins, cussing each other out on the sidelines and throwing elbows, but just playing smooth, beautiful, flowing football. It really was a treat to see.

The second half was weird though...Man U suddenly developed an alergy to the ball and kept giving it away all over the field, and half the time without any real pressure. Arsenal weren't as solid as they were in the second half as well with some giveaways of their own, but they seem better equipped to deal with the mistakes, having more quickness to get back and defend, while looking more dangerous on the counters.

Eventually twinkle toes (who was stunningly a non-factor today after owning our asses in previous games) coughed it up one time too many, giving Stud Fabregas a chance to get the ball back deep, make a few moves and slip a delightful ball into Abedebayor, who with those long legs of his did the rest. The funny thing is that at that point I was more then ready to settle for the draw, and figured that would've been good enough. To break our four year donut at Old Trafford with 5 minutes to go in regulation time was almost shocking, cause it seemed we were just snake bit.

And then Mad Jens proved once again why he's currently as good as any keeper on the planet. Nevermind the rocket he took in the melon from Ronaldo in the first half that I thought for sure had knocked him out of the game...the save he made on Sols shot not even two minutes after the Gunners strike was flat out ridiculous. The shocked look you see on both his and (I think) Fletcher's face said it all. Lehmann just seems to get better with age.

Overall I'm estatic with the result...the midfield was outstanding, Abedbayor played extremely well as the lone striker, and the team really fought hard. Man U's touch in the second half was defintely wanting...Ronaldo was surprisingly average. Rooney was below par too, but this is only his second match since early August so it'll take a few more games for him to get back up to speed. Saha was kept in check pretty well by the Gunners as well, though he had one header that barely missed the goal.

It's a funny thing about this young squad the last six months or so...seems when things are at their bleakest, and the opposition is at their strongest, and damn near everyone is writing them off, that's when they rise up to the fore. They did it against Real Madrid, did it against Juventus, damn near did it against Barca while a man down, and have now done it against a Man U team that (FA Cup final aside) has quite simply owned us in the last four years. It just shows all the more how completely and utterly absurd Cashley Mole's comments were regarding this team having no unity, being selfish and for themselves (yeah, they play the most unselfish brand of football on the planet but they're selfish...makes sense to me!), while Fabregas is somehow a featherweight (who only proceeded to own the entire Man U midfield at the Theatre of Dreams). Clearly much of that junk was said to unsettle the team, knowing he'd be at their newest arch rivals. Funny then how Arsenal's now won two on the trot since. :lol And both without Henry as well, for those who said they can't win without him. A whole lotta crow was served on Sunday.

I still think we're a year away from challenging from the title, unless we're able to avoid anymore serious injuries. But they're more then capable of challenging for the top four, and that's all I really care about...anything more is gravy.

Funny though...it took Arsenal until mid November to get their first road win of the season. It's rather amusing that their first road win came in their second Manchester trip of the season, and that it wasn't at City. :lol

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MrPing1000 said:
ole on the right, ronaldo on the left or rooney on the left ronaldo on the right.


That would have been better.

I don't know about the effectiveness of Solskjaer on the right but I guess he would have done better than Fletcher.

It just sucks to lose both of our left wingers at the same time. Park or Giggs would have made a difference in this game.

I thought Rooney should have been taken off early because he was hardly doing anything.....
 
brooklyngooner said:
Hello, lads. Just wanted to drop in and suggest that in the spirit of friendship, we all ridicule Spurs and take pleasure from their defects.
I think they're doing quite alright actually. They have more than fulfilled my expectations, but I don't think they will be as high in the table at the end of the season.
 
Another win for Barça and a mediocre match for Real Madrid. Even though Barça isn't as it best moment they keep winning.

Dunno, but aside Eto'o, Deco and Iniesta...I don't really like the others. Well, I am happy with Giuly and Gudjohnsen...
But Messi and Ronaldinho or Puyol are far a way from an acceptable performance.
 
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