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I'd just like to point out that Newcastle are dirtier than us this season, and there are 7 teams on equal or worst yellow cards it'sjustwehavethreeredstoo *cough*

But yeah, we'll probably try and fuck them up, as it's not likely we'll be able to play through them.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I'd just like to point out that Newcastle are dirtier than us this season, and there are 7 teams on equal or worst yellow cards it'sjustwehavethreeredstoo *cough*

But yeah, we'll probably try and fuck them up, as it's not likely we'll be able to play through them.
Hopefully you can do something. At the moment they are not so high on confidence so it should be easier to take points off them. Its better for Manyoo if Chelsea have had a really hard time before they come to OT on November 6th
 
Mama Smurf said:
I'd just like to point out that Newcastle are dirtier than us this season, and there are 7 teams on equal or worst yellow cards it'sjustwehavethreeredstoo *cough*

But yeah, we'll probably try and fuck them up, as it's not likely we'll be able to play through them.

Hey, do whatever you have to...you have our blessing.

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"You are blessed my son."
 
We had hope that Blackburn could do something, but nothing is going to happen. 12 minutes gone and Chelsea are two goals up. Too bad mama smurf and my fellow Chelsea haters.
 
psycho_snake said:
i bet he couldnt believe it himself, but he couldnt even celebrate because they were 3 - 0 down..at home :lol

Really? I didn't know Riazor was Madrid's home now. :-/

Better STFU if you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Uhh, what the hell's going on with Arsenal and Man U?

Hmmm, Chelsea can score. Premiership needs more of this and less boringness!
 
Yep...that's not an embarassment at all.

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Sat - 29 Oct 05

Birm'ham 0 1 Everton
Charlton 0 1 Bolton
Chelsea 4 2 Blackb'n
Liv'pool 2 0 West Ham
M'brough 4 1 Man Utd
Sun'land 1 4 Portsm'h
Tot'ham 1 1 Arsenal
Wigan 1 0 Fulham

Now that's an embarassment. :lol
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Really? I didn't know Riazor was Madrid's home now. :-/

Better STFU if you have no idea what you're talking about.
So I got the last part wrong. You still lost.
 
Shinobi said:
Now that's an embarassment. :lol
A huge embarassment was awful today, I couldnt watch the game once Yakubu netted in the third goal. School was awful today, i couldnt walk down a corridor without someone pointing and laughing.

I am still in shock from that dismal performance by United. I really can't believe that we lost that badly. The one good thing that came out of that match was that Roanldo netted in his first goal of the season, which was also our 1000th premiership goal. That should get him going now, but we lost three very valuable points in a really horrible way.

For a team that has so many expensive players, we played like rubbish. One man named Rio Ferdinand probably best fits that description. He was at fault for two of the goals. For a man who is gettoing paid more in one week than some of us make in two years,l he hasnt shown that he is worth all the money we used to renew his contract and to buy him, wlong with all the trouble the club went through when he got banned for so long. If I were Rio I would be killing myself on the pitch for half the money he gets because I would always remember that the club saved my career. he was dreadful. Against lille, he should be put on the bench instead of Wes Brown. Wes isnt a great talent, but he will play his heart out for the club he supported and play well to get a place in the team. Sir Alex needs to show Rio that he can be replaced very easily.

Its unfair to put all the blame on Rio. When the total cost of your striking force is nearly £50 million, goals are expected, plenty of them. Yesterday we could only get one from a man who should have started the game instead of that donkey Darren Fletcher. The midfield was crap. Scholes has been serving the club for many years and has done an outstanding job. As fergie said Scholes was Englands greatest midfielder. Now he is usy a shadow of his former self. Ive made my opinion on Darren Fletcher clear, he is about as useful as a donkey. Park tried hard but didnt get any result. Smith is decent, but yesterday he played shit too. Ronaldo did ok for the time that he was on, but yoiu cant expect one player to get three goals. At least he got a goal.

Lastky, questions have to be asked about our manager. Sir Alex has been one hell of a manager. To win eight premiership titles, a champions league and five FA cups is something exceptional, but it just seems that ever since 2002 when he announced that he was planning to retire, he hasnt had the same desire for success and you cant blame him, he has done it all. He's an old man who would probably enjoy sitting at home playing with his grandchildren. knowing Sir alex, he wont leave unless he is on a high. He has had plenty of chances to leave OT and be remembered as the greatest person to have ever been working for Manchester United, but now, I dont think he will have the opportunity.
 
Juve lost 3-1 to Milan :( 9 wins in a row put to an end by ... them. I suppose with the highs of beating them to the Scudetto last year, seeing them pin everything on champions league, then crashing out to liverpool must come the lows. Nothing beats seeing their smug faces at half time being slowly chiseled into desperation...ah the good old days.
 
Beware though, there are a couple of wild rabid Milan fans in here...



LIKE ME :D

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FORZA MILAN!!

What was the last time you actually put up a performance in the Champions League anyway!? :p
 
:lol Can't wait to hear you two go at it for the return match.

I caught some of the Liverpool/West Ham game, though I nodded off before the second half. They needed that win big time. Saw the Arsenal/Tottenham match...I feel if Tottenham's ever gonna break the loss streak against them, this is the season. And it sure looked like that was gonna be the case until Robinson kinda fluffed Bergkamp's cross in. Pires did a pretty good job hitting that in on a one time. Important point for Arsenal, who still don't have a win on the road (the mind boggles at that reality), but are still in pretty good position to make a run for second place over the next couple months.

The Middlesbrough/Man United game was simply stunning. I turned my head for two minutes and United were already a goal down. Then I witnessed Rio Ferdinand frankly get taken to school on the second and fourth goals. I didn't even know it was possible to go 4 up on United, and only Ronandlo's injury time goal prevented that scoreline from holding up. My God did Rio look bad on the two goals though...if it was a rookie he would've been subbed to avoid further embarassment.

I bet United plays well against Chelsea next week though. They've got a habit of playing up for the biggest matches, regardless of their season form. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they take three points. And I say that could happen regardless of what their European result is.
 
Interesting couple of days. First, Mourinho came up with quite possibly his best quote yet. Getting a bit annoyed at hearing Wenger talk about Chelsea all the time he said:

I think he is one of these people who is a voyeur. He likes to watch other people. There are some guys who, when they are at home, have a big telescope to see what happens in other families. He speaks, speaks, speaks about Chelsea.

He has a point. To be fair to Wenger, he's no doubt asked about Chelsea in every press conference, but we do seem to hear an awful lot from him on the subject.

Then Roy Keane was chosen to be the pundit in "Play The Pundit", an MUTV show where one of the players analyzes a United performace. GOD knows what they were thinking would happen picking Roy Keane to talk about the Middlesbrough game, but apparently he launched a scathing attack on certain teammates (we're not sure who), and it was never shown. Frankly that decision seems pathetic to me, but not surprising.

Ain't that just what you want after a humiliating defeat and a Chelsea game coming up? Better hope Chelsea collapse against Betis and you destroy Lille, United fans!

Hearts are falling apart. Seems it wasn't Burley's fault now when he "resigned" (there's talk he was actually sacked), despite the similar situation at Derby, as their chief executive was fired this weekend and their chairman resigned in protest. It's a ridiculous situation, they could have still saved matters and won the title even after Burley was sacked, but now this other stuff too? What big name manager wants to enter that mess?
 
He mentioned those guys, but not Rio? He looked like a fucking clown on the first and fourth goals. I frankly felt embarassed for Man United fans after watching his display.

As for the Hearts thing, I guess some teams can't handle success. :lol
 
Ghost said:
apparently he said O'shea, Richardson & Smith were not good enough to play for Man u.
Along with Liam Miller and Darren Fletcher. i agree with keane about those two not good enough to play for Manyoo. Darren Fletcher must be the luckiest man alive as he is playing first team football for such a great club. Ive not always hated the guy, I gave him a chance to see if he will improve and to be honest he does some good stuff, but he is so inconsistant. He makes one good pass then one bad pass then one good pass and its really annoying. Uniteds problem in the last two season is taking control of games by keeping possession and we cant seem to do that. he certainly does not help the cause.

Liam Miller has actually proved at times that he can play well....at reserves level.. fergie has given him a proper chance, but he must be pretty bad if fergie refuses to put him in our currently dire midfield.

The rest i really acn't agree with. Smiths not at fault for having to compete for a place against the best finisher in the world and the greatest young talent in the world. When he comes on he tries hard and I think he has been making steady progress in his new position.

Richardson is a good player. He is qucik and has good feet and when he is played in the proper position and even at left back i think he has done quite well. At middlesborough he made a bad mistake, but everyone makes mistakes. Ferdinand gets paid shitloads and made more than Richardson!

John O'shea might not be a great talent, but he is a team player; someone who can be used as a utility player.

I can understand keane's frustrations. Ever since he had his injury United have been shit. Coincidence? I think not. I think his point is to tell Sir Alex to buy a player worthy of United instead of putting on nobodies that dont really provide anything special.
 
Shinobi said:
He mentioned those guys, but not Rio? He looked like a fucking clown on the first and fourth goals. I frankly felt embarassed for Man United fans after watching his display.
We felt more embarassed than anyone. I just cant seem to put my finger on Uniteds problem though. Every week since keane got injured, someone has been at fault. Maybe a change oif manager is really needed.
 
The problem seems pretty simple to me, the quality of the side has slipped drastically (Still a good side but nothing like what they were), and the attitude hasnt improved enough to fill the void.
 
Here's a good United team:

--------------------Van der Sar

G. Neville----Ferdinand----Huth---------Heinze

Joaquin------Ballack-------Gattuso------Ronaldo

-------------Rooney------Van Nistelrooy

Only question is, how expensive and can you actually get the players?

Centre back:

Huth - I think he's a great young defender, tall and reliable, will get goals, a full German international...but he's Chelsea's fourth choice centre back. Could United, and particularly their fans, take them buying the "dregs" of Chelsea, even if he is better than Silvestre? Would Chelsea even let him go? If he put up enough of a fuss I imagine they would. Would surely only cost a few million at most though.

Gallas - Chelsea playing him out of position again, he's not happy, but will they let him go? Does he even want to stay in England if they do? The best one to buy, but chances are slim and I don't even know if they could afford him.

Ledley King - I'd want him, but he's under contract at Spurs for quite a while, he's their captain, he's become and England international under them...if Spurs current form continues, there's really little point in him moving.

Right winger:

Joaquin - ENDLESS talk of him moving to some Premiership club or the other, Liverpool or Chelsea being the most recent, and I'm sure Betis would let him go for the right price. Despite Chelsea generally destroying them, Joaquin really impressed me a couple of weeks ago. His free kicks and crosses were some of the most dangerous I've ever seen, and consistently so. Could be a steep asking price though, £10 million plus.

Others - I can't really think of any. Suggestions? It could be right or left as Ronaldo can do either. They definitely need someone to my mind, especially in the 4-4-2 they should play. Giggs is getting on, Park isn't really a winger, Rooney certainly isn't.

Defensive central midfielder:

Gattuso - I'm not entirely sure if he can be called a defensive midfielder, but that doesn't really matter, I'm just after a Roy Keane replacement here and someone not out and out attacking. He's in the Milan first team, it's not going to be easy or cheap to get him, but he has wanted to play in England and for United forever.

Mahamadou Diarra - I'm not even sure I've ever seen him play, so it may seem a strange choice, but as I understand it he was the more defensive partner to Essien in Lyon's midfield and is supposed to be good.

Ledley King - See above. Only, if you play him in midfield, the other players round him have to be top quality when attacking and passing, as he really is going to be entriely defensive.

Attacking central midfielder:

Ballack - It has to be Ballack. They can't let him slip from their grasp. They're only going to get him if he doesn't sign a new contract, obviously, and he'll be on a free at the end of the season if that doesn't happen. he'll totally suit the English game, he'll score goals, create them...he's perfect. I hear Beckenbauer says if he's going to go anywhere, he should go to Madrid, but I really don't think he should. United might be on a downer right now, but his arrival could spark a turn around, and at least he'll play.

Others - It doesn't even matter, if they don't get Ballack you can give up on this whole team I'm creating, they can't afford to buy an attacking midfielder of his quality and everyone else.

You'd probably have to spend £25 million to get that team, assuming the players were available, but they have to buy sooner or later unless they actually think Smith and Fletcher are the future. And they can always sell a couple from:

Smith
Scholes
Giggs
Fletcher
Fortune
Brown
Richardson
Saha

but they don't want to leave themselves short, just enough to cover some of the money spent.
 
Mama Smurf,

Glad to see you list Ballack as an attacking midfielder since people keep talking about him as a replacement for Keane, which he's not. More for Scholes. I think you're daft though if you believe Chelsea would ever sell anyone to ManYoo, especially Gallas. King is set to sign a new contract at Spurs (God knows why). Betis have already turned down bids well in excess of 10mil for Joaquin so they'd have to offer more or 10 plus a makeweight that a Spanish club would rate (that means nobody that ManYoo would let go) so I don't think that will happen. Gattuso is a possibility but remember that as a general rule Italian clubs and most players don't rate the Prem, but he strikes me as the most realistic possibility. In general I just think you're not considering how much debt the Glazers are carrying and how much the players you mention would cost; seeing as how ManYoo are looking rather poor by their standards clubs can hold them to ransom. I just don't see them affording anyone other than Ballack (who they can wait on for a Bosman or cut-price since he's almost done). The players you mention they could sell wouldn't command very much money in return. I know ManYoo fans keep saying the Glazers have said they'll spend but I think van Der Saar is illustrative. He's good, don't get me wrong, but was also relatively cheap. The United of old would have gone after Buffon, Casillas, Valdes, etc. That Park was anything other than a marketing ploy first and player second is a joke; he's pants and the Glazers are businessmen first and football fans second (more like tenth or eleventh).

United's bigger problem is Ronaldo stalling on that contract at any rate, since Madrid would swoop in very quickly. I think the more realistic possibility is United having to sell one of the crown jewels -- Ronaldo or Van Nistlerooy -- in order to fund a few buys.

Diarra is a very good holding midfielder whom I've wanted Arsenal to sign for some time. These days with Glazer in charge I would fancy our chances being able to outbid ManUre for once although it seems Wenger is eyeing Diop of Fulham more.
 
I doubt Man U could get any of those players Mama Smurf. All big european clubs these days protect their talent (even reserve talent) to an insane degree.
 
Letting Ballack slip out of our hands would be a huge blow. He is perfect for us, he is just what we need. Gattuso is another one and there seems to be a chance that we could get him. My dad is follows Seie A and he said that Gattuso might consider going to the premiership because there is just too much competition in AC milan right now.
 
ourumov said:
It seems that this year's Gold's Ball will be between Ronaldinho and Lampard. For now, Ronaldinho is on top...
yeah definately, these two have to be the biggest contenders, but Im not sure if Ronaldinho is on top. Lampard hyas been outstanding, he has just been a phenomenom, but then again so has Ronaldinho. Its definately a very tough call and its a shanme that it cant go to both of them because they both so deserve it.
 
brooklyngooner said:
These days with Glazer in charge I would fancy our chances being able to outbid ManUre for once although it seems Wenger is eyeing Diop of Fulham more.

*shudder* For a moment I thought you said Diouf...

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...talented player, but he'd make Arsenal the most hated team of all time with his annoying antics.




CelticFC#1 said:
I think this picture sums up the Hearts situation perfectly.

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Gattuso's place in Milan is rock solid, there isn't anyone in the squad that could take his place. I don't think your dad got it right
 
Ghost said:
Why, are they having trouble spelling glorious?

Ha, never noticed that.

I'm loving the crazyness of this SPL season, aside from the disaster of Bratislava, everything is going great, playing quality football, top of the league and I'm now fully behind Strachan as manager. Looking back, I was way too quick to judge him but you get such reactions after the worst defeat in your club's history.

The crisis Rangers are going through is hilarious, by the end of the month they could be out of every competition except from the Scottish Cup, and be about 12 points behind Hibs who will sit (I would imagine) in 3rd place. :lol

Come on Artmedia, tonight!
 
Hooker said:
Gattuso's place in Milan is rock solid, there isn't anyone in the squad that could take his place. I don't think your dad got it right
Thats what i thought too but my dad said that he was sure that Gattso said it. I would love to see the guy at manyoo but Milan wont let him go easy, although it could be him that wannts too leave. Don't forget he has played in the scottish league before so im sure he wouldnt mind living and playing in England. His wife is Scottish so maybe that could influence him. It would be great to see him come to manyoo, him and Ballack could form the midfield we have been looking for since Scholes and Keane when they were in their prime.
 
I think you're daft though if you believe Chelsea would ever sell anyone to ManYoo, especially Gallas.

Oh I dunno, Mourinho seems quite fond of Man Utd and Ferguson. And stranger things have happened, Arsenal bought Campbell, Everton sold Barmby to Liverpool, Real took Figo off Barca's hands, that sort of thing. I realise Gallas would perhaps make United too strong, but I think Chelsea would let someone like Huth go, if he wanted to.

Betis have already turned down bids well in excess of 10mil for Joaquin so they'd have to offer more or 10 plus a makeweight that a Spanish club would rate (that means nobody that ManYoo would let go) so I don't think that will happen.

I was thinking £12 million, but if they can find someone cheaper they should. I just can't think of anyone.

Gattuso is a possibility but remember that as a general rule Italian clubs and most players don't rate the Prem, but he strikes me as the most realistic possibility.

They might not generally (though I don't know why, big name Italian players have done very well here), but Gattuso has specifically said he likes the way the Premiership is played and would enjoy it and that he wants to take over from Keane.

In general I just think you're not considering how much debt the Glazers are carrying and how much the players you mention would cost; seeing as how ManYoo are looking rather poor by their standards clubs can hold them to ransom.

I dunno man. The Glazers took over this club to make money in the long run, and unless they're completely oblivious (they could well be), the people coming up in place of Keane and Scholes and Giggs and Beckham etc aren't good enough to keep United as even a definite Champions League place, let alone actual champions. They either have to hope United start finding complete bargains, which they've failed to so far, or they're going to have to spend. And it's a transition period, they won't have to blow the budget again for a while, just bring in the odd player every so often when people like Neville retire.

That Park was anything other than a marketing ploy first and player second is a joke; he's pants

I've been REALLY impressed with Park, especially for not much money. I hear he was good for PSV though I don't think I ever saw him, and the only reason he isn't in my team up there is his position just doesn't work very well in 4-4-2 (unless he can play somewhere else I haven't seen him).

Diarra is a very good holding midfielder whom I've wanted Arsenal to sign for some time.

Good to know, him if they can get him and Gattuso isn't available.

I doubt Man U could get any of those players Mama Smurf. All big european clubs these days protect their talent (even reserve talent) to an insane degree.

That's not entirely true. Chelsea sold Tiago who had more first team opportunities than Huth has ever had. They seem quite willing to seel as long as they have cover for the position and they aren't a first team player I don't know about Joaquin, Betis may want to keep him but he's been trying to get another club to come in for him forever, I don't think he wants to stay and most clubs let players go if they really put their foot down. Ballack's not a problem as it'd be a free transfer and Bayern don't get a say. Gattuso...could be a problem. I doubt Milan need the money. They can look elsewhere though.

I just think if United don't spend the money now...well, the end of the season...they'll never catch Chelsea. Not only that, one big name a year, if they even get that, won't even get them a guaranteed second.

EDIT: I read that up until recently, Gattuso had been being left out of the Milan side.
 
That's not entirely true. Chelsea sold Tiago who had more first team opportunities than Huth has ever had. They seem quite willing to seel as long as they have cover for the position and they aren't a first team player I don't know about Joaquin, Betis may want to keep him but he's been trying to get another club to come in for him forever, I don't think he wants to stay and most clubs let players go if they really put their foot down. Ballack's not a problem as it'd be a free transfer and Bayern don't get a say. Gattuso...could be a problem. I doubt Milan need the money. They can look elsewhere though.

I just think if United don't spend the money now...well, the end of the season...they'll never catch Chelsea. Not only that, one big name a year, if they even get that, won't even get them a guaranteed second.
United need to spend. The fans have become used to success now and Sir Alex needs to be able to bring that to them again. he doesnt have the time anymore to create a team from the youth, it will take him too long and his days are numbered. United fans want success now ar atleast see their team actually threatening Chelsea's topspot.

Sir Alex should have found replacements long ago back in 2002 when we were going through a transition. Our players were getting older and we needed a new team, but he spent the money on the worng players. Veron cost us huge amounts of meony and he was a very good player, but keane just seemed to hate him and whenever keane wants something, he usually gets it. Djemba x2 was an utter waste of money and so was kleberson. All that money has gone to waste instead of going to several players who could have gelled together and made a good team. Our transitional perod has lasted for too long and the only way Sir Alex can make a team worthy of title contenders is to spend the money properly. The only probelm now is the Glazers. they said that they will financially back the manager, but actions will speak louder than words. I would like to see it happen.
 
Ah ok, that one's ok then. It was a long time ago, you can't blame me for forgetting. Like, on a completely unrelated note, I can't remember how much silver Judas Iscariot sold out Jesus for.

I don't know why I said that, what does that have to do with anything?
 
Mama Smurf said:
Ah ok, that one's ok then. It was a long time ago, you can't blame me for forgetting. Like, on a completely unrelated note, I can't remember how much silver Judas Iscariot sold out Jesus for.

I don't know why I said that, what does that have to do with anything?

Because you've been hanging out with Spurs supporters. Campbell = Judas to some. The other half of us see it as Campbell = wants to win things in his lifetime.

I understand your point with the examples (I won't address Barmby since he is shite playing for Hull City), but in Figo's case it was an absurd amount of money that financed Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o and a number of other key players in the Barca revival. In Chelsea's case, what's the carrot? They're after ManYoo's piece of the marketing pie, they don't need money, so I can't see them doing anything to make ManYoo better. Except if King Twat keeps on his absurdly petty egomaniacal anticriticism bend and wants to make them better than Arsenal.

As for Glazer, I do agree that a top team is necessary for maximizing revenue, but the days of 28.5 million on Veron and 29 on Ferdinand are over for United. They will pay just enough. They have to service over 600 million in debt and payments are already due. They'll spend just enough to get players but that's it; I see them axing Ferguson to bring in a big name continental manager before they splash out the 20-30 mil in the transfer market it would take to make this team right again.
 
I would also add that Chelsea have transformed this landscape a great deal; for sure, Robben would be playing for United, and I would bet Essien as well. Part of the crisis in replacing players has to do with the fact that they're up against a side that prints its own money.

In addition, how damn interesting would the Prem be this year if Chelsea were just another good side? Wigan top? Man City third? It wouldn't be a ManU-Arsenal race yet again.
 
You kind of contradict yourself in the last point! If Chelsea were just another team, Man Utd would have Essien and Robben and Arsenal would have Wright-Phillips, and just those few would probably be enough to put them ahead of Wigan and the likes (Wigan have a better defence than Chelsea so far this season in the Premiership...fucking crazy).

£25 million isn't that much really to bring in 4 good players, especially when 3 are midfielders. That's only just over £6 million each. They can spend it over 4 unsuccesful season, or they can spend it now.
 
I remember at the start of the season before Wigan played Chelsea they were giving odds of Wigan to win the Premiership. I think it was 10,000-1. Heck, the odds of them not being one of the three teams to be relegated was very high.

Not saying they're going to win. The next 8 games they have alot of tough fictures: Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Charlton, Bolton, Man City and Chelsea among them. Could make or break their season.

I also heard that they have a better defence than Chelsea on current form. :lol
 
Mama Smurf said:
£25 million isn't that much really to bring in 4 good players, especially when 3 are midfielders. That's only just over £6 million each. They can spend it over 4 unsuccesful season, or they can spend it now.
We could get ballack for zilch, whch would leave £25 million for three players. Im sure United could bid for gattuso and they really should, I cant think of another player who can replace keane. Ballack is like Gerread and Lampard, he doesnt play a defensive role. Gattuso would cost quite a bit of money though, probably more than £10 million. The rest of the money should be used to find a winger. Joaquin would be ideal. Chelsea wont bid for him unless they dont think that they have enough worldclass wingers. Arsenal could be contenders for his signature. If we do have any cash left, it should go to a defender. gallas seems to be a vrey unlikely option. Chelsea dont need any money, so why would rthey sell to their rivals when other teams will line up for Gallas?
 
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