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Brazil are obviously favourites, but let's not get carried away here. I don't think anyone was ever thinking Brazil's attack would be anything but amazing, the reason they might not win is the defence (not that it's terrible, just beatable).

Hooker said:
Btw, where did all this England hype come from!? They're good, but not that good. I reckon a quarter final for them

Well it's a combination of things. With a fit team/squad, this is by far the best group of players we've had in the last 15 years, maybe more. There's not a weak position really. We also have players like Joe Cole, Wright-Philips, Crouch etc we can throw on to swing a game.

The left wing problem has been mostly sorted. We still don't have a great left footed winger, but Joe Cole has done really well out there, and once Ashley Cole is back he'll sort out any issues of actually going to the line to cross the ball when he overlaps. We're not playing David Cinderella* James anymore, always guaranteed to cost you at least one goal per tournament.

True world class players, like Terry and Lampard, have come to the fore since the last big tournament. Owen's form is good, Beckham's is his best for years...it's all good. We've discovered players like Young, Konchesky and King, even if they were forced by injuries.

The players seem to actually believe they can win it, and the fans definitely do. That's a change to the past for me. I really don't think a few years ago we could go behind twice to Argentina and come back to win it. Even when we have come back, we never played that well against such a good team. At all the recent championships we've been a possible winner, always a good team, but never real favourites. Having said that, let's not forget that, with a weaker team, we only got knocked out by Brazil at the last World Cup. Turkey and a not great Germany after that? I think we would have won it if we could have somehow got past Brazil!

Sven, in the last few games, has made good substitutions :o This is a new phenomenon, shocking but welcome. He's even found a couple of formations that will work with different players.

But the main reason...the absolute main reason...is Rooney. He's truly world class, creeping into that pretty damn exclusive tier above the likes of Lampard and Terry occupied by only a few players at any one time. Without him, we won't win it. Well, we could, but it'll go back to the way it's been at the last few tournaments. He's the complete player. He's fast, he's got great skill, finds that crucial space between attack and defence with seeming ease, wonderful passer, great long distance shots, superb vision, strong in the air, even bundles them in whe necessary. For England he's the key player who is almost always involved in every good move we have. I think he was the best player at Euro 2004 from any country, he set the tournament alight, but after he was injured England just weren't the same. You won't find many England fans who'll claim we can win it without him, and I don't think there's a single other England player we could lose and then not have a hope.

I just thought of another one. It's in Germany, a climate we can't only handle, but is very similar to our own.

Having said all that, that's just look inwards. There are so many good teams around today, much better than I think we saw at the last World Cup. I honestly think that, on their day, any of Brazil, Argentina, Holland, England, France, The Czech Republic, Portugal, Italy and Spain could beat any of the others. If I'm honest, I don't see the winner coming from any of the last 4 I mentioned, but you never know. It could come down to the draw, injuries, even Germany might get involved despite being an incredibly average German side, home advantage does that. And look at the last World Cup, everyone said it was one of the worst Brazilian teams in years (which is still a good team), but they won while the favourites of Argentina and France didn't make the second round!

While you might say Brazil are favourites, we know they can be beaten. And in the 9 times the World Cup has been played in Europe, 8 European teams have won it (yes, Brazil are the exception).

*"I must go to the ball!"

EDIT: Whooooops, forgot France!
 
I had some hope seeing as the match would be at the Bernabeu, but eventhough I couldn't watch it, I'm sure Barcelona showed how vastly superior they're at the moment. A Real Madrid with a bad coach and a bunch of injuries or players just coming off of injuries won't match up in the forseeable future to a team hitting on all cylinders.

I did watch Ronaldinho's 1st goal. Simply beautiful.
 
brooklyngooner said:
I have to say that while my feelings about ManYoo on this forum are rather clear, and I have always found Roy Keane to be emblematic of United suppoerters' hypocrisy when labelling Arsenal a dirty side, I do feel for the fans in not being able to bid a proper farewell to him. While there's talk of testimonial, it wouldn't be the same as singing "There's only one Keano" to the rafters in the dying minutes of the game that puts them out of the Champion's League (no offense you United kids, they're not winning it).

Dude, don't call us kids when you're obviously the one possessing the maturity of a 10 year old. Was that last jibe necessary in the context of this discussion?

Oh, and I don't harbor any delusions about United's chance of winning the Champion's League this season.
 
Hitzfeld offered United job

Former Bayern Munich manager Ottmar Hitzfeld claims he has been offered a job by Manchester United.

The German has been out of football for 18 months but is planning a comeback.

And according to the News of the World, Hitzfeld told German newspaper Die Zeit: "Yes, there has been an offer from United.

"I want to get back to football and next summer would be a good time to do that. I am ready for a new challenge."

"My wife Beatrix would go to Manchester with me."

Hitzfeld, 56, coached United transfer target Michael Ballack at Bayern and would like to see Germany's midfield star play abroad.

"Michael is a world-class player and as a fan of Germany I would say it would be good for our national team if one of our top players went abroad again," said Hitzfeld.

http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,2483_840530,00.html

:O

Maybe Keane left because he knew fergie was on his way out.
 
4-1, Ibrahimovic magical goal :) Roma players and their president whining again :p I can't believe Sensi actually said he'd definitely beat us. Still from the highlights I saw there were plenty of chances for both sides and it looked like a good tempoed game.

Also so glad Barca beat Real - If only for the disgraceful racist chants against eto'o, who, to top it all off, scored for great justice!
 
ElyrionX said:
Dude, don't call us kids when you're obviously the one possessing the maturity of a 10 year old. Was that last jibe necessary in the context of this discussion?

Oh, and I don't harbor any delusions about United's chance of winning the Champion's League this season.

Do I give you a hardon or something? I didn't mean anything by the term "kids" any more than we are insulting ourselves when we sing "We are the Arsenal boys." It's just an expression.
 
Alucard said:
Hmm, maybe Arsenal will win all their remaining games (with a healthy Henry) and still challenge Chelsea for the EPL title?
hehe no, there are still away games for arsenal ;)

i believe both united and arsenal will be close for a long time. the christmas rush will decide if they have what it takes or not :)
 
I don't know whether anyone has mentioned Geoge Best's condition but it looks like he is nearing the end whether its in the next few days or next few weeks.

Probably the greatest player to ever play in England and sometimes considered the greatest player ever it seems lager has finally got the better of him.

I found this quote from him, 'I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.' I think that sums him up quite nicely but there is also one where he jokingly blames his good looks on him not being widely considered the best player ever, has anyone got that one?

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Oooooh a sticky, fancy!

Best was great, or what I've seen of him from archive footage anyway. I'm afraid I have little sympathy for the guy though. How many warnings did he need?
 
CelticFC#1 said:
There's a lot of talk that Paul Le Guen will be the next Rangers manager.

Bad news.

My impression is that he's made it clear he doesn't consider Rangers to be a club worthy of his talents. He's doing TV punditry and is happy to wait for better offers. Going from Lyon to Rangers would be a huge step backwards for him, at any rate.
 
It wasn't lager that did it for Best, it was the spirits.

It's been coming for a long time. He's had the problem for a while and it looks like it's come around full circle...

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Does anyone have a link to videos of the Ronaldinho goals in the Real-Barca match? Were the goals really as amazing as everyone claims?
 
brooklyngooner said:
Do I give you a hardon or something? I didn't mean anything by the term "kids" any more than we are insulting ourselves when we sing "We are the Arsenal boys." It's just an expression.

My apologies for overreacting then....
 
ElyrionX said:
Does anyone have a link to videos of the Ronaldinho goals in the Real-Barca match? Were the goals really as amazing as everyone claims?
great ball control and excellent bursts of speed to get by the defender and the goalkeeper.
 
Ghost said:
Maybe Keane left because he knew fergie was on his way out.

That would be odd considering most people are saying he left because he and Fergie had one blowup too many. Not that it'd be the first time the media was wrong.





celestial body said:
Also so glad Barca beat Real - If only for the disgraceful racist chants against eto'o, who, to top it all off, scored for great justice!

The fuck is up with those Madrid fans anyway? I even saw a fucking confederate flag behind the net a few weeks ago when Beckham scored on a beautiful free kick. Fucking cocksuckers.

And Ronaldinho's two goals were just ridiculous...
 
i dont want to take anything away from ronaldinho but helgueras defence on his first goal is just riciculous. seriously.
 
Shinobi said:
The fuck is up with those Madrid fans anyway? I even saw a fucking confederate flag behind the net a few weeks ago when Beckham scored on a beautiful free kick. Fucking cocksuckers.

West Ham fans were at it too with Spurs, especially Mido.
 
Ghost said:
West Ham fans were apparently chanting about midos mum being a terrorist...no idea of the actual lyrics...

Yeah and then some. Irons always have nasty songs for Spurs such as "I'd rather be a Paki than a Jew" and "You're going back to the ovens" due to Tottenham's historically Jewish support.
 
Its not as bad as leeds fans, i remember once they just Hissed for 10 minutes, simulating the sound of being gassed in concentration camps.



Not that racist chanting is acceptable in any form.

Im sure some people will get banned from the ground for about this.
 
Ghost said:
Its not as bad as leeds fans, i remember once they just Hissed for 10 minutes, simulating the sound of being gassed in concentration camps.

Chelsea do this as well. Actually more clubs than you'd think do, especially those with strong hooligan elements -- Millwall, Hull, etc., the few times they hook up in cups or the like.
 
The Bolton - Birmingham game has been postponed from tonight due to bad draw distance.

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I live near Bolton, and it has indeed been insanely dangerous out there today.
 
Noooo~~!! Raul out for minimum 1-2 months to 7months max?! - which means he cannot play WC.

I have lost faith in Real Madrid, upon watching El Classico. :( Looks like they are royally screwed big time due to all the injuries. It's like 3 players in their regular start-up who are not injured. :(

lachesis
 
brooklyngooner said:
Yeah they looked good in the Charlton game too.

How are you United MEN feeling about The Villareal game this week?
Nervous...but Man U always plays pretty well when they HAVE to so.......
 
Watching the Barca match put me in a great mood for the rest of the day. I was going round with a huge grin on my face, just magic, magic stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen such a match, Barca were literally toying with Real. Ronaldihno was on another planet and I'd certainly agree that he's approaching Maradona territory. After saying that though, no one man makes a team and there were some great displays from others. Messi in particular looked a class act, his control is phenomenal. Seems as if the ball is glued to his feet, quite different to the way other players take it.

For anyone that missed the match, check mininova.
 
anthony said:
Rooney and nistelrooy conjured magic the other night. :)
The second Manyoo goal was amazing. Rooneys run reminded me of Giggs amazing run against arsenal in the fa cup semi final. he was so unselfish to give the ball to cvan nistelrooy and thats one thing i love abnout Rooney; he does things for the team. if someone is in a better position than he is then he will pass.

Topnight is a very important gamke for us. If we can beat Villareal then we will be much more confident because we will be out of the mess we put ourselves in Eurpe and we have had two good wins in the premiership. Hopefully we can start a good run.
 
Funnily enough, the date of the Chelsea victory almost exactly coincides with the date of the first game in United's 20 game unbeaten streak last season.

I wouldn't read too much into that though, unless you can convince yourself to ignore Chelsea still getting 4 more points during that time, despite such a good run.
 
United probably should have won, but they just don't look like scoring like they used to. They certainly had the chances, but even when they did...I was hardly ever expecting it to hit the back of the net.

I imagine they'll go through anyway. They just have to beat Benfica, and even if they only draw they'll go through as long as Villarreal beat Lille.

Other groups in this half of the draw are going as you'd expect, Barcelona, Arsenal, Ajax, Bayern Munich and Juventus all qualified.
 
United's players look like they can't be bothered sometimes, so predictable with their passing, Villareal always anticipated their moves, it was frustrating to watch even as a non-fan.

PS Juventus :) ...Del Piero needed that goal badly.
 
United just seem to lack a midfield engine, a creator. RvN and Rooney look menacing up front, Park and Ronaldo are fine on the wings, but when it's Fletcher and Smith it's just not working, in Europe at any rate. Scholes seems to get forward less, likely because he doesn't have Keane as cover any longer to free him up, and he's lost a bit of his flair anyway. Most of their threats seems to be O'Shea bombing it in from the wings.

Ferdinand looked better though, as did the defense as a unit, although Riquelme wasn't around who would have really tested them. Forlan too.
 
brooklyngooner said:
United just seem to lack a midfield engine, a creator. RvN and Rooney look menacing up front, Park and Ronaldo are fine on the wings, but when it's Fletcher and Smith it's just not working, in Europe at any rate. Scholes seems to get forward less, likely because he doesn't have Keane as cover any longer to free him up, and he's lost a bit of his flair anyway. Most of their threats seems to be O'Shea bombing it in from the wings.

Ferdinand looked better though, as did the defense as a unit, although Riquelme wasn't around who would have really tested them. Forlan too.
Midfield is our main problem. Ive been very happy with the rest of the team. Scholes has lost it. He used to be one of the best midfielders in the world. Fletcher is just rubbish and he will never be good enough for United. He is just far too inconsistant. half his passes go to the other team! Smith has been improving and I do have a feeling that he could become a good midfielder, but we cant take a big chance. If United want to be serious contenders for the champions league and premiership, they need someone with the experience in that position, wecan't just wait for our players to develop like we did before. manyoo fans were never used to success, but now they are and Ferguson needs to realise that manyoo fans wont wait years for a trophy to arrive.
 
He did it to himslef really. he shouldnt have abused alcohol to the point where he was risking his life. Thats just wrong.
 
Say what you want about him but he lived his life to the full, id rather go out at what is he? mid 60's? after the life he's had then drag it out to 80+ through abstinence.
 
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