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Official Gran Turismo HD Concept Thread
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DCharlie
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*rubs self against PS3 furiously*
MR_N , TTP - i've been nothing but loving towards the good PS3 games so far... it's just that that is basically RR7 (if you didn't play the X360 version), Resistance (a GoTY) contender, and now this... Motorstorm is good, but ultimately the JPN release is too bare. i'd love to love the rest, but it's not my fault that they aren't any good. I'm doing you guys a service here, i could hype the crap all up to shit but then my credibility would be shot to shit when you all buy it and find the games are utter gash.
Seriously, you'll thank me for it one day.
DCharlie said:
You know what, I'm really wondering how far PDI will go with GT5. I mean, this is all crazy good, but is this really the 0.0001% of what GT5 will be? Think about (hopefully) more than just 6 cars in the race, better environments, damages (?), more detail (skid marks on the asphalt? weather changes? parallax mapped deformable mud?)... is that really possible at 60fps/1080p with this model detail?!?
Not that I dont have faith in PDI and the PS3 power, but still...
nelsonroyale
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gah, Im happy I gave gt4 a skip, very excited for this
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Naomi said:
There are some impossible best lap times out there. Like 10 secs less than the best you can get. But if you download the replay of those times, you see the runs actually end about 2 miles before the finishing line, more specifically while approaching the exit of a tunner (hence the "tunnel glitch").
cedric69 said:As awesome as this is (ie. very), am I the only one left with the sensation that this is some kind of awesome damage control on Sony's side?
They needed something to show off the machine capabilities and they needed it quick.
For videogamers, competition FTW!
Nah, it's just a Christmas present. Sony is nice.
dark_preacher
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TTP said:
either you don't know what a mile is or you are a very bad judge of distance.
Vaandaviii
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Graphics Horse said:I wouldn't try to add that much contrast to the alps, here's a picture of the real location:
I'm not sure if the textures come from satellite photos or photos from the ground, but the shadows look like they need to have a more blueish tint to them, as they're quite well lit from the bright sky. I think this is why they look a bit too washed out.
Somebody needs to buy a UV filter.
Bearillusion
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DCharlie said:
'Finally' seems like a strange choice of words when you think how long the PS3 has been on the market.
cank stoochie
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pgr3 looks really good. but it looks video game good. you can immediately tell its a video game. whilst gthd just blurs reality and videogame image. amazing
f@luS
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dark_preacher
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MarkMan said:
i'm like 22 with the integra on drift trial.
daddyorchips
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I don't think this looks that fantastic tbh.
In gameplay, I'm running this at 1080P, and there's jaggies everywhere. Fortunately, if you sit at a fair distance away, they're miniscule due to the high res, but close up they stand out like a sore thumb. It's nice that it runs at 60FPS, but due to the lack of additional camera motion (like in PGR's cockpit view) or motion blur, it 'feels' less realistic. The characters stood around the track look really artificial.
It's certainly nice in motion - 60FPS feels so smooooth - but stop your car and things aren't so pretty. Replays are really nice - hence the nice screencaps in this thread - but then that's running at half the framerate, so what do you expect?
It's the usual GT formula of really impressive replays next to uglier in-game graphics. At least PGR3 got rid of this - both looked as good and the only time it 'cheated' was in photo-mode (an extra dollop of AA on top, thankyou very much). Back to the PS3, I don't care about the 1080P resolution, aesthetics-wise Motorstorm gives this a good beating (as does PGR, imho).
Gameplay-wise, same old GT. Nothing new to see here, imo, bar some added momentum. I'll have to play some more to really make my mind up though (only have the first three cars so far).
In gameplay, I'm running this at 1080P, and there's jaggies everywhere. Fortunately, if you sit at a fair distance away, they're miniscule due to the high res, but close up they stand out like a sore thumb. It's nice that it runs at 60FPS, but due to the lack of additional camera motion (like in PGR's cockpit view) or motion blur, it 'feels' less realistic. The characters stood around the track look really artificial.
It's certainly nice in motion - 60FPS feels so smooooth - but stop your car and things aren't so pretty. Replays are really nice - hence the nice screencaps in this thread - but then that's running at half the framerate, so what do you expect?
It's the usual GT formula of really impressive replays next to uglier in-game graphics. At least PGR3 got rid of this - both looked as good and the only time it 'cheated' was in photo-mode (an extra dollop of AA on top, thankyou very much). Back to the PS3, I don't care about the 1080P resolution, aesthetics-wise Motorstorm gives this a good beating (as does PGR, imho).
Gameplay-wise, same old GT. Nothing new to see here, imo, bar some added momentum. I'll have to play some more to really make my mind up though (only have the first three cars so far).
daddyorchips said:
Do you mean PGR3 doesn't "cheat" because it's 30fps + motion blur both in game and during replays while GTHD is like that only during replays?
So you prefer 30fps + blur over 60fps with no blur?
Thanks god PDI thinks 60fps > 30fps honestly.
On a side note, comparing a work in progress "concept" demo with a finished game doesn't make any sense. Car models comparison is ok. The rest is not.
daddyorchips
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Vibri said:
Perhaps, but in no way is it trying to better itself. Perhaps they've saving that for GT5?
Pope Benedict XVI
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Vibri said:
King of driving sims? Have you played Gran Prix Legends by Sierra, or even Sega's F355 Challenge? If you think the driving in gt is realistic you are very mistaken.
daddyorchips
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TTP said:
Well at least the 30fps + blur is consistent, throughout replays and in-game. The inconsistency of GT HD sticks out like a sour thumb.
Also, everyone is going stir crazy over the graphics. From the replays. At 30FPS.
In-game runs at 60FPS because it looks like arse. Well, it doesn't look shockingly bad, but it has a complete lack of AA and very few next-gen effects (high res + some HDR does not equal next-gen, imo). It looks like GT4, but in HD. Which, I guess, is EXACTLY what it says on the tin. Just a pity there's jaggies everywhere (is that part of GT's heritage too?
). You'd think they could have fixed that.
f@luS
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daddyorchips said:Well at least the 30fps + blur is consistent, throughout replays and in-game. The inconsistency of GT HD sticks out like a sour thumb.
Also, everyone is going stir crazy over the graphics. From the replays. At 30FPS.
In-game runs at 60FPS because it looks like arse. Well, it doesn't look shockingly bad, but it has a complete lack of AA and very few next-gen effects (high res + some HDR does not equal next-gen, imo). It looks like GT4, but in HD. Which, I guess, is EXACTLY what it says on the tin. Just a pity there's jaggies everywhere (is that part of GT's heritage too?
take similar tracks...
From what i saw , this GTHD demo utterly destroy a similar track in PGR3 (take nurburgring for exemple)
Much better looking car by far (most realistic) , and pgr3 has a lot of aliasing too
daddyorchips
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f@luS said:
PGR3 has 2xAA, which is better than none.
Basically, with respect to their IN-GAME graphics (i.e. whilst actually playing the game), PGR3 looks better than GT:HD. GT:HD has nicer lighting and shadowing in its replay mode however, which makes cars look more realistic, as pointed out in this thread. However, it's doing this at the hindrance of framerate, which has to drop down to 30FPS.
If they could make the game look as good as it does in replay mode, but during gameplay, AND perhaps run it at 60FPS, I guess I would be experiencing the OMFGWTFWOW feeling too! :lol
Would I take the sacrifice of framerate so they could keep things looking so nice in-game? Perhaps!
Sounds like the PGR3 solution, no?http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/705/705899/gran-turismo-hd-20060508080320298.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/707/707039/vision-gran-turismo-20060510104949416.jpg
GT4 in HD was called GTHD classic.
PGR3 has so much aliasing that it can't get much worse.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/707/707039/vision-gran-turismo-20060510104949416.jpg
GT4 in HD was called GTHD classic.
PGR3 has so much aliasing that it can't get much worse.
daddyorchips
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Luckyman said:
I am right in thinking this is just a version of GT4 in HD though right? I thought GT5 was being built up with an entirely different next-gen engine?
this is an early version of the gt5 engine -- what they were calling "gt hd premium" when they were going to release it on disc. "gt hd classic" was gt4 in hi-def. and it's almost worth the dirtying of this thread to watch you talk yourself into errors and absurdities.
daddyorchips said:
It's not actually. This is the 'premium' side of GT HD i.e. the GT5 Prologue/Concept/demo.
The challenge of graphics ultimately boils down to the modelling of the interaction of light - with surfaces, with the camera/eye etc. That GT5 does such an exquisite job with its lighting runs entirely contrary to your claims re. a lack of "next-gen effects", asides from the modelling, the resolution. If you have high resolution, brilliant modelling, and an amazing lighting/surface modelling then you are a long way towards being 'there' in terms of rendering quality, and GT5 has all of these things. There are imperfections you can highlight in isolation, but when you take it as the sum of its parts, the picture is quite literally beautiful.
mckmas8808
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kevm3 said:
If this is the game, it's amazing how they got the metal logo to shine...
Yep that's the game. I took that picture myself. The metal logo and the reflections on the car makes it look so real.
daddyorchips
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drohne said:
Errr right. I've got no hidden agendas here. I'm just both disappointed with this demo and surprised at all the praise its graphics are getting. Looks like the thread could do with some rational comments (after all the gushing).
daddyorchips
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gofreak said:
Cheers for correcting me - I didn't realise that.
Still, the brilliant modelling isn't something that hits you in the face. At least, not during gameplay.
I'll have to take some in-game snaps and host them to support my comments. So far, all we've seen are replay shots, which don't get a fair impression of how the game looks when played.