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Official NFL Week 7 Topic - Tame those Colts, Texans!
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teruterubozu
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KC at Miami game moved to Friday cuz of the storm.
The Vick to Bettis comparison isn't very good. Bettis is like the 10th highest rusher ever, and Vick is never going to top any statistical category, or even the top 25. Sure he's a dual threat at the QB, and that's good for an offense which can utilize that, but he's not very good at passing and he's only 'pretty good' at running.
soulja224466
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zesty said:
sooner or later, you will come to the painful conclusion. im sorry zesty, but peyton is the mastermind behind al-quaeda...
whytemyke said:
Man, I've never came across anyone that hates Vick as much as you do. Did he sleep with your sister or something?
Set an NFL playoff record for a quarterback with 119 rushing yards in the 2004 NFC Divisional Playoff Game against the Rams.
Became the first quarterback in NFL history to tally five career 100-yard rushing games by posting three in 2004.
Rushed for 902 yards with a 7.52 average per carry in 2004 to rank third in NFL annals for quarterbacks in both categories.
Became the first quarterback to ever throw for more than 250 yards and rush for over 100 yards in the same game in a performance against the Broncos (10/31/04).
Also, check to see who is first in Rushing average in the NFL this year so far.
maynerd said:
Actually, the rules of the game dictate that they can either run or pass the ball. It's just rare for an athlete to be able to do both as well as Vick.
I bet all you people who bitch about Vick and are fans of sub par teams wouldn't be talking shit if he were winning games for you. Just how it goes I guess.
siege said:
There are at least half a dozen running backs who can run the ball as well as Vick, and I'm pretty damned sure they can't be much worse than he is at throwing the ball.
edit: Also, Bettis is the 5th highest gaining running back ever. I still don't get the comparison at all, by the way. Just saying that calling him the 10th leading rusher is a bit of a disservice to him.
siege said:
Exactly, and I'm pretty sure one of the things a QB needs to be considered a great QB is...dare I say it? Passing skills.
edit: Nevermind, I thought you admitted that his completion rate IS what it is because he isn't a good passer...which means you think he's a good passer?
siege said:
No, he's really not a good passer. His completion percentage, quarterback rating, TD:INT ratio, yards per attempt, and overall yards are all near the league's worst. He's not a good passer. He changes the running game a great deal and allows for Dunn and Duckett to be far more productive than they otherwise would(And gives the Falcons the best chance to win), but he is a horrible passer. You can't argue this and claim to be at all objective.
siege said:
Hmm...Do BOTH as well?
He may be better than average as a running quarterback but his passing stats STINK!
Career #s
55% Completion rating (67.6 completion rating for Manning last year)
76.9 QB rating (121.1 QB rating for Manning last year)
41 touchdowns - 5th year in the NFL (49 TDs for Manning LAST year alone)
But that's unfair to compare him to the #1 QB last year right? Ok well I agree maybe it is.
Let's look at total production last year.
2313 Passing yards + 902 Rushing yards = 3215 Yds this put him at 15th in the league in total yard production for QBs and I didn't even count rushing yards for other QBs.
14 Passing TDs + 3 Rushing TDs = 17 TDs this puts him at tied for 20th in the league in TD production by a QB and I didn't even bother checking rushing TDs for other QBs so he could be lower.
I don't get why anyone thinks he's that good.
... but he doesn't do both well. He only does one of them well.siege said:
Did you know that Schaub put up better numbers as a QB in one game than Vick has done all season? Schaub played about 1 and a half games and has completed nearly half as many passes and has half as many attempts for half as many yards... with 3 TDs and 0 turnovers to Vicks 5 TDs, 3 INTs and who knows how many fumbles. That is not a good quarterback. That's a good runningback playing QB.
Ninja Scooter
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Vick is an average passer, which, in the NFL where teams don't run the option and there is no Nebraska to play at, makes you an average QB, and all the hype and endorsements and Sportscenter highlights in the world aren't gonna change that.
maynerd said:
Last season he was running under a new offensive scheme. It was also only his 2nd full season. The guy is only 25 years old, so he's got a lot of room to improve. I'm not saying he's one of the best quarterbacks of all time, nor will he ever be. However, he's a lot better than people give him credit for on this forum. It doesn't necessarily show in his stats each week, but he's one QB defenses around the league hate to face.
If every team had a recieving corp of Harrison, Wayne, and Stokely - it's likely they'd throw 30+ TD's a year as well. If you watch every Falcons game like I do, you'd know their wide outs are pretty damn horrible. Jenkins has potential and Finneran is pretty reliable when they actually involve him, but there are a ton of dropped balls every game. Crumpler has the best hands on the team and is Vicks main target, but he's no replacement for a top end WR like Harrison, Owens, Holt, etc.
whytemyke said:
Schaub can't run, that's why he had 300 yards on 34 attempts. Vick usually doesn't even have 20 attempts a game. Keep in mind he didn't even play in that game, so his low TD total thus far isn't an accurate indication of him being unable to score. Brady who leads the league in passing only has 8 TD's/4 ints. So Vick has 2 less total TD's than the leading QB despite playing one less game.
Ninja Scooter
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seriously, we'll see what happens to Wayne when he (probably) leaves next year. I predict his production drops bigtime. Peyton has as much to do with his recievers success, if not more, than they do to his. You can't plug any QB, especially not Vick, into Indy and expect it to run the same.
siege said:
Ok he's 25 years old I give you that he needs some time to mature. But right now he's putting his entire game in his legs. He is going to slow down as he gets older. He is not showing any quality passing ability.
Yes defenses hate to play him because he runs better than he passes so it makes him a little less predictable. I really am surprised he doesn't pass better than he does. Most defenses will allow him to beat them with the pass than the run.
Not everyone has the colts WRs this is true. But when you are below the middle of the pack in just about every passing stat it, well...I think you get the picture. He is averaging about 120 yds passing a game man, that is HORRIBLE. He is averaging 1 TD per game started over his carrer that's pretty bad as well. You don't need superstar receivers to be a quality QB. You just need to be able to read defenses and find the open man.
Seahawks lead the league for the last 2 years in dropped passes. So, don't give me that lame dropped passes excuse.
Ash Housewares
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blah Vick, I'm happy with Brees & LT instead of him
Wellington
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:lol Trying to plant those seeds huh? Aikman was bad until he got Irvin and Moose. Montana? Nothing without Rice.
Fact of the matter is this. The Eagles made it to 3 NFC championships with Todd Stinkston as their #1. McNabb didn't suddenly become amazing with the addition of Owens. I find it amazing that Tom Brady is doing what he is doing in this league in the way he is doing it. He passes to everyone, and not a single player is even an above average receiver, save maybe Branch.
FrenchMovieTheme
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man that is bullcrap. WHAT DO I PAY YOU FOR DIRECTV!
TheDuce22 said:
I'm pretty sure it's more to do with the contracts with CBS than the NFL not wanting to show a game. The advertisers for all the pre-empted programs would have to be reimbursed and it would just get quite sticky.
Don't forget to make your Yahoo picks all, have to be done by tomorrow at 3 or so!
Poor Maddox.
http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_293220117.html
He played like shit and acted like an asshole, but damn, keep it on the field people. Bringing his kids into it is ridiculous.
http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_293220117.html
He played like shit and acted like an asshole, but damn, keep it on the field people. Bringing his kids into it is ridiculous.
Archaix said:
:lol
His wife said no one threw anything in their yard and that she didn't know of anyone harassing her kids so the report is pretty inconsistent.
Tommy could have avoided all of this if he took that defeat like a man instead of blaming everything else around him.
FrenchMovieTheme
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its bullshit dude. why can't we see the game? they pulled this same crap with the steelers-dolphins game last year for the same reason. why would it hurt to let people in other parts of the country see the game?? what advertisers would they have to reimburse? i'm not saying they should abandon my local CBS programming, im saying direct should have the game on for sunday ticket subscribers. how is this any different than what they do now?
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WEEK 7
Sunday, Oct. 23
Detroit at Cleveland, 1:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Minnesota, 1:00 p.m.
Indianapolis at Houston, 1:00 p.m.
Kansas City at Miami, now on Friday night
New Orleans at St. Louis, 1:00 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati, 1:00 p.m.
San Diego at Philadelphia, 1:00 p.m.
San Francisco at Washington, 1:00 p.m.
Dallas at Seattle, 4:05 p.m.
Baltimore at Chicago, 4:15 p.m.
Buffalo at Oakland, 4:15 p.m.
Denver at N.Y. Giants, 4:15 p.m.
Tennessee at Arizona, 4:15 p.m.
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N.Y. Jets at Atlanta, 9:00 p.m.
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Last week: 11-3
WEEK 7
Sunday, Oct. 23
Detroit at Cleveland, 1:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Minnesota, 1:00 p.m.
Indianapolis at Houston, 1:00 p.m.
Kansas City at Miami, now on Friday night
New Orleans at St. Louis, 1:00 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati, 1:00 p.m.
San Diego at Philadelphia, 1:00 p.m.
San Francisco at Washington, 1:00 p.m.
Dallas at Seattle, 4:05 p.m.
Baltimore at Chicago, 4:15 p.m.
Buffalo at Oakland, 4:15 p.m.
Denver at N.Y. Giants, 4:15 p.m.
Tennessee at Arizona, 4:15 p.m.
Monday, Oct. 24
N.Y. Jets at Atlanta, 9:00 p.m.
Open date: Carolina, Jacksonville, New England, Tampa Bay
Ash Housewares
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siege said:
and Vick is still horrible, point?
not like we don't have Rivers too
fuck...could use some fantasy help.
someone offered me Jamal Lewis for Shockey.
My other RBs are Dillon, Mike Anderson, and Mewelde Moore....not exactly a great line-up.
Now while Lewis hasn't exactly torn it up this year, I'm leaning toward accepting it. What do you guys think?
someone offered me Jamal Lewis for Shockey.
My other RBs are Dillon, Mike Anderson, and Mewelde Moore....not exactly a great line-up.
Now while Lewis hasn't exactly torn it up this year, I'm leaning toward accepting it. What do you guys think?
well, you've only got about 5 awesome TEs in the league, so besides that everyone else is pretty much on par with each other. However, Jamal Lewis isn't going to get his running game going until the passing game starts up in Baltimore, so really you'd have to see whether you can afford to miss points until Boller comes back. If he is back in a couple weeks, I'd go for the trade. If he's gone for awhile longer though, I don't think I'd accept it. I mean, shockey right now is a guaranteed TD a game, while Lewis isn't.Eminem said:
Edit: Speaking of Trades, I wish the people whom I offered trades to were at least timely in responding, even if they shoot them down. It'd be nice to know the reaction I get on my trades... but nobody even looks at them in my one league, I think.
bionic77 said:
Actually Dallas, Devner, and Pittsburg have held him under 100 yds rushing. But it's interesting to note all of those games he was given the ball less than 20 times and the chargers lost all three games. It's clear that the only way to stop LT is to not give him the ball.
Wellington
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Well, Em, everyone here on GAF says that Shockey is overrated. Using that logic I think you are getting the deal of a century.
Being of sane mind, however, Shockey is realistically the #2 receiver on the Giants, and they will look for him in the redzone. I think you'd have to be a f00l to get rid of him. Take into consideration that Eli is getting better, not worse.
Being of sane mind, however, Shockey is realistically the #2 receiver on the Giants, and they will look for him in the redzone. I think you'd have to be a f00l to get rid of him. Take into consideration that Eli is getting better, not worse.
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