I really did not like the Vita version of Wipeout.. 30fps just seems pointless and they went for a more rugged look.I think you mean Wipeout Fusion and not 2097. And isn't Wipeout on Vita all-new content though? And Omega includes all of its tracks, so that's sweet.
I really did not like the Vita version of Wipeout.. 30fps just seems pointless and they went for a more rugged look.
Makes me so mad that was their last game. Sony fucked so many studios with the Vita.
Can I vote for this post? I choose it over either of the poll answers.I watched this thread for a few days and thought about it but in the end i'm not gonna vote. I can't decide and im just happy they both exist(ed )
To the people who like one, but actually dislike the other... I'm sorry but that just shouldn't be possible. You're wrong, and it makes me wonder if you even realise what's so great about the one you do like. Frankly, you'd have to be a fool not to like either, assuming you like racing games in the slightest.
Who says it's fake and why is this even important? It's a game, everything should be optimised to be immediately fun, not to being "real". Which is of course why Ridge Racer vs Gran Turismo is no real competition either, becaue obviously Ridge Racer shits all over GT (to keep it to Sony franchises)!
This thread is like a competition between Quake Champions and Doom 1.
It's ridiculous.
The PSP games are also 30 fps and were also excellent games. Same as Wipeout XL/2097 etc.
But I'm glad it's 60fps in the omega collection.
How in the fuck is that cherry picking? The 3 second snippets at 320x240 are not meant to be exemplary of anything except cool, futuristic looking games.LOL Those GIFs are some fine cherry picking. Lets compare skillful driving in Wipeout to driving in F Zero by someone who has no idea what they are doing and also lets pick a GIF of a stage that is only in one mission.
Also i think you got it mixed up which game is the Doom 1 and Quake Champions equivalent. But since you only played a bit of GX its not hard to understand why.
How in the fuck is that cherry picking? The 3 second snippets at 320x240 are not meant to be exemplary of anything except cool, futuristic looking games.
If you take offence at that, maybe take a deep breath and relax.
Ok not great. Like in a world without new F-Zero or Wipeout it's decent.. but still does not hold a candle to them.How's RedOut?
My vote is for Wipeout, as much as I loved F-Zero X and F-Zero GX, Wipeout is a series that has consistantly been delivering great games since '95.
3 F-Zero games in 26 years just isn't enough. I suppose it's 4 if you add the GBA port, which I probably should as the last few Wipeout's have been ports/amalgamations of previous games.
They are so different, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Just look at the gifs that were just posted, it's night and day. In fact, I would say that Sonic Unleashed (daylight stages) is closer to F-Zero than Wipeout is.
Even though the F-Zero GX screenshot is not showing a highlight scene for the course design, it is so obvious how much better the controls are from just those gifs, you are right, this is a strange competition.This thread is like a competition between Quake Champions and Doom 1.
It's ridiculous.
There is[/] a multiplayer in X and GX...F-Zero by far. Every game has so much hidden depth and cool techs to learn that aren't apparent at the start.
If there ever was a multiplayer, an F-Zero vet who knows his stuff could lap noobs like no tomorrow.
I can't wait until I'm so good at the internet, I can tell how well a game controls just from animated gifs.Even though the F-Zero GX screenshot is not showing a highlight scene for the course design, it is so obvious how much better the controls are from just those gifs, you are right, this is a strange competition.
This. F-Zero got a great sense of speed and does not have terrible floaty controls. F-Zero for me. Didn't enjoy Wipeout at all.It would be incredibly weird to see anyone who has played both say Wipeout with a straight face.
Even though the F-Zero GX screenshot is not showing a highlight scene for the course design, it is so obvious how much better the controls are from just those gifs, you are right, this is a strange competition.
There is[/] a multiplayer in X and GX...
They are so different, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Just look at the gifs that were just posted, it's night and day. In fact, I would say that Sonic Unleashed (daylight stages) is closer to F-Zero than Wipeout is.
You cannot judge everything, but you can see right away the difference in reaction to moving left / right in both games.I can't wait until I'm so good at the internet, I can tell how well a game controls just from animated gifs.
I don't get how you come to that conclusion. I have played Wipeout HD, though I have more experience with the Vita game (naturally, since I own the Vita game, but don't own a PS3).Are you saying you've noy played Wipeout HD?
Well, yes, I don't see it in the sense that I could feel joy from playing Wipeout and I will certainly play two Sonic games this year.I didn't say anything about how different they are, other than implying they're both outstanding. If you can't see that, you're free to go back to playing Sonic.
f zero is quake 3 arena
wipeout is unreal tournament
obviously the first one is better, totally different level of control and feel
you can like the latter more but one day you will grow up and understand
This post shows I can never take an opinion you offer on gaming seriously, ever. You have such a narrow definition of what a 'game' should be.
You cannot judge everything, but you can see right away the difference in reaction to moving left / right in both games.
LOL Those GIFs are some fine cherry picking. Lets compare skillful driving in Wipeout to driving in F Zero by someone who has no idea what they are doing and also lets pick a GIF of a stage that is only in one mission.
Also i think you got it mixed up which game is the Doom 1 and Quake Champions equivalent. But since you only played a bit of GX its not hard to understand why.
How's RedOut?
Yup. The fact that anybody would try to use momentum as an argument against a fucking racer, is imo just stupid. Perhaps he just generally doesn't like racers, with F-Zero being an exception as it takes the focus off something that's inherent to the genre naturally (because physics), but then just say that... don't act like your car/ship/whatever is supposed to handle like Bayonetta in order to be a good racing game.
It's not cherry picking at all. 99% of F-Zero footage is exactly like that, same for wipeout.
Just because they're not doing exploits in f-zero like in all the other gifs people post to make it look more interesting, which is actual cherry picking.
I've put in enough hours into F-Zero tbh. If I want arcade, Trackmania 2 Lagoon just released.
Let's not be silly. That was totally cherry-picked. It's from a story mode chapter that takes place on a highway with no real turns at all. If you're going to use a gif to represent F-Zero is should come from the tracks/races from the GP cups.
With that said though, I do agree that the cast majority will still show courses that are far wider, with far more driving straight forwards than any given moment in a WipEout game. The game be design just doesn't opt to have a constant series of challenging corners, because the core mechanic banks on players depleting their energy to the point where a single scrape against the wall kills... so it's made easy in general to avoid even that single scrape occurring.
Wipeout is a bit like Crash Bandicoot and CTR in that they're pretty average but because PlayStation only gamers can't play FZero, Mario or Mario Kart they're suddenly amazing and completely over rated.
Bullshit. Just because you have to plan a corner earlier in Wipeout does not make the controls any more critical. You turn any later on most corners at higher speeds it will fuck up your run.You cannot judge everything, but you can see right away the difference in reaction to moving left / right in both games.
How's he reaching 4000km/h without snaking or glitching? Other videos show 1000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AjVYj1RCSg
How's he reaching 4000km/h without snaking or glitching? Other videos show 1000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AjVYj1RCSg
Here's some wipeout footage with high speed to compare like for like - and without glitching the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSJ8TowUoW0&t=8m30s
Bullshit. Just because you have to plan a corner earlier in Wipeout does not make the controls any more critical. You turn any later on most corners at higher speeds it will fuck up your run.
I'd hate to know what you think about games like SSX or Wave Race where the avatar you're controlling doesn't react immediately because of the surface they're moving across.
So you don't like games that don't occur on anything but a road or road-like surface. That must mean games like Wipeout, Wave Race, Rapid Racer, Hydro Thunder, Cool Boarders, SSX and Amped all handle like shit because you don't turn right away when you push the left or right d-pad arrow.But it is not true, I like for instance:
- Burnout 1 & 2 (3 is also OK, but I like the stronger focus on racing in the first two)
- Need for Speed Underground 1 & 2
- Mario Kart series
- Excite Truck
- Sonic & All-Stars Racing
- Out Run
- Ridge Racer series
So you don't like games that don't occur on anything but a road or road-like surface. That must mean games like Wipeout, Wave Race, Rapid Racer, Hydro Thunder, Cool Boarders, SSX and Amped all handle like shit because you don't turn right away when you push the left or right d-pad arrow.
Or maybe it's a taste thing and none of those games are objectively worse than GX.
Maybe that should have been stated and obvious.
"sound is so much better" => so i should have understood that you were talking about the music ? or is it about the sound effects ? /s
"looks so much better" => yeah , style you said ? I'm not buying that.
Just accept that you've made a fanboy comment and move on
And your comment about Dolphin is ..Well how should i say this.
What game doesn't look great on pc with emulators , mods and graphical process that aren't in the game initially ?
Of course the game look better with more power on PC , does it mean that it isn't outdated tech ? Of course not.
F-zero gx is almost 14 years old , you need to accept this fact
And what does "style" mean ?
You're shitting on a "franchise" over "style" ? Maybe you need to look in this very thread . Exemples have been given . You're free to disagree , but to spout nonsense like
mean that your argumentation is flawed . it's not that you cannot understand , you do not want to understand.
in other words , you're in fanboy mode
It's because they are both fine.
But it is not true, I like for instance:
- Burnout 1 & 2 (3 is also OK, but I like the stronger focus on racing in the first two)
- Need for Speed Underground 1 & 2
- Mario Kart series
- Excite Truck
- Sonic & All-Stars Racing
- Out Run
- Ridge Racer series
Now regarding the controls argument, the F-Zero X controls are so incredible also because of their flexibility. Look at these two world record runs, this level of control is just amazing:
- An example for tight cornering on a more straight forward track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GZZgYqXpw
- An example for amazing turns on a track that would be probably completely unsurvivable in Wipeout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX2ORAdKJy8
Most of the time racing in F-Zero is very slight bends with super wide tracks. I'm not saying it doesn't have corners, but let's be real, it's not close to wipeout.
He insults the racer because they aren't snake glitching to go faster and make it look cool, like in pretty much every other gif of f-zero here, and that's how it looks with normal gameplay.
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUC1x7Xvt4
And he's still glitching
Max Speed setting, different machine, not crashing into walls...
He's shift boosting (briefly leaving the track surface to gain speed)
Upcoming Wipeout game vs the latest F-Zero:
I think the winner is clear. Game over indeed.
Only wipEout still gets games.