Deus Ex Machina
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Got my vote.B.K. said:
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Ok. Kirk vs Picard. Who's the better captain?
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One of them's from Star Trek, right?
Where's the other one from?
Where's the other one from?
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Mr Pockets said:
And if Sisko hadn't saved Kirk''s life first, there would have been no save in Star Trek IV, and therefore no save in First Contact.
thetrin
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Kirk was the hotshot captain that broke the rules, but got shit done. Picard was the hardass who knew how to run a ship, and adhere to a no-nonsense policy. It's hard to compare them.
They're both infinitely better than that bitch Janeway, though.
They're both infinitely better than that bitch Janeway, though.
beelzebozo
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i always liked kirk's supporting characters a bit more. the chemistry between the core three of the o.g. star trek was what ultimately made me like kirk more. there's no denying that picard kicks ass, though--some of his big moments from first contact still crack me up.
kirk wins this contest because he reprogrammed the simulation
kirk wins this contest because he reprogrammed the simulation
Kirk knew how to work with his crew better. Picard had a very off-hands more cold boss relationship with a lot of his crew, even with the ones he was closest too (Crusher and Data) while Kirk treated his crew like they were his brothers and sisters. I think that far better trust and rapport Kirk had elevates him beyond Picard.
Even with the lower non-bridge ones. Picard always seemed uncomfortable "pressing the flesh" if you will with his lower crewmen. Kirk joked and flirted with every member of the ship like they were his equal.
Kirk was a man of the people, Picard really wasn't.
Would Picard have stolen a federation ship and destroy it on the off chance of reviving one of his dead crew members out loyalty? I highly doubt it.
Even with the lower non-bridge ones. Picard always seemed uncomfortable "pressing the flesh" if you will with his lower crewmen. Kirk joked and flirted with every member of the ship like they were his equal.
Kirk was a man of the people, Picard really wasn't.
Would Picard have stolen a federation ship and destroy it on the off chance of reviving one of his dead crew members out loyalty? I highly doubt it.
White Man said:
I never "got" that silly NG/etc.. stuff... the original Star Trek was entertaining and had good character interaction, even if it was insane fluff a good portion of the time. The only only ST thing I ever found interesting was the Voyager show, if only because (once again) there appears to have been an attempt to flesh out character interactions and humor.beelzebozo said:
Oh, that silly "Holodeck" idea was a detriment to everything. Bah.
While I adore TNG, DS9...etc that is something about TOS and the TOS movies (and assumingly the new TOS movie) that was lacking outside the original crews movies and shows. Kirk never took life all that seriously nor his crew. They were always joking and having fun.DavidDayton said:
They seemed to throughly ENJOY exploring space, the TNG guys treated it like it was their job.
beelzebozo
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somebody take some of the starch out of picard's jumpsuit. then we'll talk
teruterubozu
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Picard got his ass handed to him by Soran, while an aging Kirk easily kicked his ass.
That is all that needs to be said on this subject.
That is all that needs to be said on this subject.
Anasui Kishibe
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Picard, definitely. The better diplomat, amazing body, lots and lots of defeated enemies, even hand to hand, the last being his like 50 years younger genetically enhanced clone. Try to beat that.
He is a just captain, and definitely one who knows where to draw the necessary lines. He IS a captain, therefore his crew must treat him as one, rightfully so. And when he puts an hand on your back, it doesn't feel like the cheap cameratism Kirk used to show; you fell like you really earned it
But he also is a man capable of love, respect, consideration
Sisko comes close though. Totally badarse attitude, and defeated an enemy who practically owned an entire quadrant
He is a just captain, and definitely one who knows where to draw the necessary lines. He IS a captain, therefore his crew must treat him as one, rightfully so. And when he puts an hand on your back, it doesn't feel like the cheap cameratism Kirk used to show; you fell like you really earned it
But he also is a man capable of love, respect, consideration
Sisko comes close though. Totally badarse attitude, and defeated an enemy who practically owned an entire quadrant
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Gerald said:
go out of this thread, like now
GoutPatrol
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Picard. A thinking man's captain.
Escape Goat
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Picard was cultured, tough as nails, decent tactician. I remember the episode where Picard goes into the Neutral Zone to investigate reports of a Romulan base. 3 Romulan warbirds trap the Enterprise but Picard isn't phased...he gives an order and 3 Klingon ships decloak. He brought backup!
Clever mutherf%(*@(!
Clever mutherf%(*@(!
MisterHero
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Kirk = DeadMidiSurf said:
Picard = Alive
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Picard.
Not only because TNG is > TOS.
Not only because TNG is > TOS.
MisterHero
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lol its gafCrushed said:
Man this was just too good to pass up.
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MisterHero said:
Double-fixed
Escape Goat
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people arent reading thread title. Sisko isnt mentioned because if he was HE WOULD WIN.
Its Picard vs Kirk bitches.
Its Picard vs Kirk bitches.
MisterHero
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DrForester said:
Ultra-omega fixMisterHero said:
Deus ex machina your way out of that
:lolThunder Monkey said:
Thunder Monkey
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Picard is Stewart, but Kirk is Shatner.
Dammit internet! Asking hard fucking questions!
Dammit internet! Asking hard fucking questions!
Napoleonthechimp
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Patrick Stewart once asked Gene Roddenberry that question, he replied that they can cure baldness in the future its just that no one really cares about it in the future so they don't bother.ToxicAdam said:How come in the future they haven't cured baldness or created decent looking toupees?
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Smiles and Cries said:
Spock's too logical. He made everyone's pulse react!
My vote: Picard all the way!
Ok my friend has chimed in and added these to the debate:
Kirk had multiple people all get their own ship. Picard had only one person, besides himself, ever run a ship on their own. Riker doesn't count because he opted to stay with Picard. Worf kinda got the Defiant but was never named as Captain of the Defiant.
Kirk saw Spock take over the ship once Kirk left. Sulu obviously got his own ship, as well. And Scotty was actually promoted to captain but was left in engineering, because he was so good there.
Kirk had multiple people all get their own ship. Picard had only one person, besides himself, ever run a ship on their own. Riker doesn't count because he opted to stay with Picard. Worf kinda got the Defiant but was never named as Captain of the Defiant.
Kirk saw Spock take over the ship once Kirk left. Sulu obviously got his own ship, as well. And Scotty was actually promoted to captain but was left in engineering, because he was so good there.
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What's with the Janeway hate?
MisterHero
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Riker could have been a Q but didn't.whytemyke said:
Picard commands that much respect.
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PhlegmMaster said:
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whytemyke said:
The Defiant was attached to DS9, hence no official Captain, Worf was the closest thing, Dax and Kira also commanded on a few occasions.
Here is the question.
If Riker died and a opportunity wouldn't to revive him was open but it involved stealing and destroying the enterprise and was highly against the law. Would he do it?
I say no. He wouldn't risk the ship to save one person. He didn't govern by Kirk's "The needs of the one outway the needs of the many" motto in Trek III and thus is a weaker captain. Kirk put his crew over all else, including the federation.
He had more loyalty to his bridge crew than he did to the Federation or to Starfleet. Picard did not.
Whenever Picard faced something against starfleet protocol he almost always tried to reason with starfleet first. Kirk acted first, starfleet protocol was nothing.
If Riker died and a opportunity wouldn't to revive him was open but it involved stealing and destroying the enterprise and was highly against the law. Would he do it?
I say no. He wouldn't risk the ship to save one person. He didn't govern by Kirk's "The needs of the one outway the needs of the many" motto in Trek III and thus is a weaker captain. Kirk put his crew over all else, including the federation.
He had more loyalty to his bridge crew than he did to the Federation or to Starfleet. Picard did not.
Whenever Picard faced something against starfleet protocol he almost always tried to reason with starfleet first. Kirk acted first, starfleet protocol was nothing.
MisterHero
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He did it for Data in First Contact and the Enterprise-E almost self-destructed.Cheebs said:
I don't know if he'd do the same for Riker, though. :lol
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MisterHero said:
He was planning to destroy this ship anyways and was going to risk ONLY himself to save data, he didn't risk the ship or the crew to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kZJJUc4mQ
found this on youtube. kevin pollack doing star trek when shatner was the only one to originally sign on to do the fifth movie :lol
found this on youtube. kevin pollack doing star trek when shatner was the only one to originally sign on to do the fifth movie :lol
MisterHero
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Getting everyone stuck in the past (including a Klingon and Geordi with his eye implants) is pretty damning.DrForester said:
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