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Mostly sports titles from EA and SCE.Xdrive05 said:Are PS2 games still being printed and/or developed?
Mostly sports titles from EA and SCE.Xdrive05 said:Are PS2 games still being printed and/or developed?
This very thing totally crippled Sega in Japan, which at the time was easily the most important region for developer support. To this day Camelot won't work with Sega over how they handled things with Saturn.Takao said:You don't think SEGA killing off support for the Saturn so soon didn't hurt the Dreamcast? I'd say it did. Not only with publishers, but with consumers.
OldJadedGamer said:I wouldn't call 40% "quite accurate". They have planned 15 million for last year at $299 and planned 15 million this year. So for a price drop to happen, they have to expect a sales dip for this year and a price drop to bring them back to previous numbers.
I think a $100 drop will put them past the 15 million which makes me think it will only be $50.
Special J said:wow what an ignorant fanboy comment
Edit: Err, no never mind, I was thinking 3DS.OldJadedGamer said:I wouldn't call 40% "quite accurate". They have planned 15 million for last year at $299 and planned 15 million this year. So for a price drop to happen, they have to expect a sales dip for this year and a price drop to bring them back to previous numbers.
I think a $100 drop will put them past the 15 million which makes me think it will only be $50.
Yep, Japan gets a lot of unique PSP games that the other regions don't get. It's too bad the PSP never got that kind of software support in the west.WrikaWrek said:For whatever cultural reasons, regarding the games it has or not, etc. What is amazing, is how Japan absolutely embraces the PSP...
soundscream said:LOL
I owned nothing but Sega systems until the end of Dreamcast.
Sega Master System, Genesis, Sega CD, Saturn, and Dreamcast. Never owned a Playstation product till PS3.
Are you honestly going to say that the Saturn was better than the PS1. Aside from a few Saturn games its not even close.
Elios83 said:Analysts and financial experts are suggesting Sony to consider leaving the TV business, they have not been profitable with it for 6-7 years and there's no sign they can achieve profitability with it anytime soon. They just can't compete with koreans.
Manmademan said:He might have been referring to the Dreamcast comment.
The Dreamcast launch was highly successful. the system itself was a quantum leap over the PS1 and Saturn, and it had a VERY solid lineup of games at a good price point.
HOWEVER
Sony's marketing was just too good to compete with. Coming off of the PS1, everyone was looking forward to the PS2. Add to that that DVDs were exploding in popularity, and it was a huge bonus at the time that the PS2 could play them. For sony the timing was perfect. I even remember random DVDs advertising themselves as "ps2 compatible"(!) to piggyback on the hype.
even with that, the DC might have been able to hang on longer than it did, had it not been incredibly, insanely easy to pirate the hell out of the DC. everyone I knew with a system had a huge stack of burned CDRs with games on them. Sega never had a chance once this became widespread.
gundamkyoukai said:I don't think they will ever do that , OLED TV are next big thing along with glassless 3D TV and they are going to want piece of that pie.
Sony needs to get ahead some way or the other .
Averon said:What Sony needs to do is have a budget line of TVs that's feature rich. They can't compete with the cheaper alternatives from likes of Samsung, Vizio, etc...
Special J said:its misleading to give cumulative projections. and even tho in 2010 they only hit 65% of their projection people think its closer than it actually is. (not blaming you but makes me understand why they do it)
2010: 15-13 = 2 million, they sold 14.3 - 13 = 1.3 million so 1.3 mil vs 2 mil is a bad projection (selling 65% of what they projected)
2009: good
2007: 11-3.5=7.5, they sold 9.1 - 3.5=5.6. So 7.5 projected but actual 5.6 sold
Elios83 said:I don't get what calculations you're making. I stated their forecasts for each fiscal year and the actual sales they made for each year. Seems the right way to judge their accuracy to me.
Elios83 said:I don't get what calculations you're making. I stated their forecasts for each fiscal year and the actual sales they made for each year. Seems the right way to judge their accuracy to me.
Elios83 said:Gamescom is around the corner (less than a month to go). But as I said earlier in the thread imo you're wrong in expecting 199$ this year.
I've always believed in the importance of the 199$ price point for the PS3 and I thought it would happen this year too.
But clearly it won't. Their forecast is absolutely perfect, spot on for the 249$ entry price, the new price with bundles and more games will definetly provide the boost they need to reach 15m which is not that much, they sold 14.3m in the second year at 299$.
If they targeted a 199$ price they would expect much bigger numbers, like 17m or even 18m.
jcm said:Howard Stringer's six years at Sony:
Why is he still in charge?
jcm said:Howard Stringer's six years at Sony:
Why is he still in charge?
Kazuo Hirai future. At least he's Japanese.Takao said:There are rumors his time is coming to an end.
Sony has held out long enough. It is time for the PS3 to drop below $200. Step your price down.Paco said:$199 PS3. Do it, Sony!
Sales aren't down, at least not like pre-slim levels. They are doing quite well WW. Sony is in a tricky position, they have to choose between marketshare and profits. Will they be able to meet the demand if they drop the price by $100? Will the software sales increase enough to offset the loss in hardware? Considering the 15mil forecast this FY, it doesn't seem like a $100 price drop is on the horizon.Kagari said:I disagree. I don't think a $50 will have any real impact, and with sales already down, $199 makes the most sense. It's been 2 years since the last $100 price cut, so, in the US specifically, I think, the $299 price point has really reached saturation.
Meisadragon said:Sales aren't down, at least not like pre-slim levels. They are doing quite well WW. Sony is in a tricky position, they have to choose between marketshare and profits. Will they be able to meet the demand if they drop the price by $100? Will the software sales increase enough to offset the loss in hardware? Considering the 15mil forecast this FY, it doesn't seem like a $100 price drop is on the horizon.
But I agree with you, they need to get the system down to market penetration price point and be done with it. It's already been five years since the system came out.
jcm said:Howard Stringer's six years at Sony:
Why is he still in charge?
Kagari said:I disagree. I don't think a $50 will have any real impact, and with sales already down, $199 makes the most sense. It's been 2 years since the last $100 price cut, so, in the US specifically, I think, the $299 price point has really reached saturation.
Successful restructuring? Please. During his administration, Return on Equity has averaged 0.8%, one-tenth that of the Topix!! Their TV business has been in the red since 2003, and this latest profit warning is the seventh in his tenure. For Stringer, it should be galling that Sony is making more operating profit from selling insurance in Japan than all its other global product lines put together.Elios83 said:Stringer will be replaced in the next FY by Hirai. They are making all the preps.
Btw I don't think he was bad at a management level, he had a lot of troubles and bad luck. He restructured the company successfully twice, restoring and increasing profitability at the operative level, he improved cooperation between the different divisions and promoted the development of networked products supporting market standards and global trends evens if established by the competition.
People have probably forgot that the pre-Stringer Sony was the company not willing to support mp3 in favour of their atrac3.........now Sony music players have compatibility with Itunes.
But in both the occasions something happened that ruined his work (specifically the 2008 financial crisis and this year the tsunami/earthquake + unexpected taxes to pay).
Where Stringer failed is at the creation of new hit products, he's not a visionary, neither an engeneer. Hirai must focus on this, the creation of new products which people really want.
Operations said:Successful restructuring? Please. During his administration, Return on Equity has averaged 0.8%, one-tenth that of the Topix!! Their TV business has been in the red since 2003, and this latest profit warning is the seventh in his tenure. For Stringer, it should be galling that Sony is making more operating profit from selling insurance in Japan than all its other global product lines put together.
Elios83 said:next year the're supposed to to have a new Cell+RSX chip which will allow significant savings on manufacturing costs so they will cut the price to 199$ and maybe redesign the unit again.
BKK said:Do you have a link for that please, I'd like to read more about that.
I don't see why not. Flash has been at 22nm for nearly a year now and intel is supposed to be shipping 22nm chips at the end of this year.Elios83 said:I don't think that 22nm will be ready for mass production next year....or not?
Psychotext said:I don't see why not. Flash has been at 22nm for nearly a year now and intel is supposed to be shipping 22nm chips at the end of this year.
Psychotext said:I don't see why not. Flash has been at 22nm for nearly a year now and intel is supposed to be shipping 22nm chips at the end of this year.
Psychotext said:I don't see why not. Flash has been at 22nm for nearly a year now and intel is supposed to be shipping 22nm chips at the end of this year.
Anyone?Beam said:How much is the BOM for the PS3? If it is less than 200 than Sony will lower the price. If it´s not, no one should think that they will lower the price. I don´t think they want to lose more money on the hardware especially after they became profitable last year.
BTW does anyone here knows if the PSP was profitable for Sony LTD? I mean total. R&D, manufacturing and initial loss? Is there any info on that?
Psychotext said:I don't see why not. Flash has been at 22nm for nearly a year now and intel is supposed to be shipping 22nm chips at the end of this year.
bigtroyjon said:Sales are down 25% over last year...
-During the first half of the year,PS3 retail sales have grown in U.S. and Europe (14 weeks) YoY, but for some reason global PS3 shipments have declined by around 15 percent.Kagari said:I disagree. I don't think a $50 will have any real impact, and with sales already down...
(2011) PS3 1,692,300
(2010) PS3 1,591,000
Sales up 6.4% YoY
(2011) PS3 1,090,000
(2010) PS3 905,000
Sales up 20.4% YoY
YTD
(2011) PS3 627.030
(2010) PS3 756.325
Sales down 17.1%
Wk 26 Wk 27 Wk 28 Wk 29
2011 26,441 22,900 23,322 23,343
2010 20,077 18,345 19,473 19,420
2009 11,196 9,864 8,865 8,997
Comgnet (Preorder Chart) -The rankings as of July 28, 2011
1.[PS3] Tales of Xillia - 455pt (Sp 8)
2.[PSP]Toriko Gourmet Survival! - 209pt (Ag 4 )
3.[PS3]Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD Ver. - 130pt (Ag 25)
4.[PSP] Limited Edition Black ★ Rock Shooter "White Premium BOX" - 111pt (Ag 25)
5.[PS3] Dark Souls - 101pt (Sp 15)
6.[PS3] Armored Core 5 - 93Pt (Oc 20 )
7.[PSP] Idol AKB1/48 auction, please be left in their Limited Edition! BOX - 96pt (Oc 10)
8.[PS3] OG Super Robot Wars 2 - 83pt (????)
9.[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII Versus - 82Pt (???)
10.[PSP] G Airu Village Diary warm Monhan - 80pt (Ag 4)
11.[NDS] Devil Survivor 2 - 53pt (28 Jul)
12.[PSP] J. LEAGUE Make Pro Soccer Club! 56 pt (Ag 11)
13.[PS3] Super Dimensional mk2 Neptune (Limited Edition) - 55pt (Ag 18)
14.[3DS] Pokemon Super Scramble -52pt (Ag 11)
15.[Wii] Dragon Quest NES and SNES I II III Anniversary 25 - 48pt (Sp 15)
16.[PSP] Final Fantasy Zero 44pt (Oc 13)
17.[PS3] Fuca and Desuko Disgaea 4 - 37Pt (Oc 27)
18.[NDS] Atsumete! Kirby - 36pt (Ag 4)
19.[PS3] Limited Box Shadow of the Colossus ICO / Wanda - 34pt (Sp 22)
20.[PSP]Limited Edition Black ★ Rock Shooter BOX THE GAME - 34pt (Ag 25)
Comgnet (Preorder Chart)-The rankings as of July 30, 2008
1.[NDS] Dragon Quest IX - 765pt
2.[PS2] Z Super Robot Wars - 340pt
3.[NDS] Pokemon Platinum - 306pt
4.[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable - 303pt
5.[Xbox360] Tales of Vesperia - 189pt
6.[NDS] Summon Night 2 - 101pt
7.[NDS] Dragon Quest VI - 97pt
8.[NDS] Bundle Pack Sangokushi Taisen departure for the front arcade heaven - 86pt
9.[PS2] Parareru Saka Akane color stain (Limited Edition) - 83pt
10.[PS3] Soul Calibur IV (PS3) - 81pt
11.[PSP] Upper Colosseum Fate / Tiger (Limited Edition) - 80pt
12.[PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep - 76pt
13.[PS2] Eclipse Silver (Limited Edition) - 74pt
14.[NDS] Rhythm Tengoku Gold - 55pt
15.[Xbox360] Soulcalibur IV (Xbox360) - 53pt
16.[NDS] New Dark Dragon and Sword of Light Fire Emblem - 50pt
17.[PS2] Fate / unlimited codes SP-BOX figma Saber Lily Bundle - 48pt
18.[PSP] Eloquent Fist Ikkitousen (Limited Edition) - 45pt
19.[NDS] Theater board Geass Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 40pt
20.[NDS] Kingdom Hearts 358/2Days - 39pt[/b]
put the PS3 in the 18-20 million range.bigtroyjon said:100 dollar cut will be needed to
I don't know.I have my doubts.Elios83 said:Btw I agree with you that the new forecast points to a new 249$ price announced at Gamescom.
Satchel said:So during the PS3's current 5 years on the market (a normal console cycle) the PS3 has sold only a bit over the PS2 in that same period?
Fuck me, I can't tell if that's bad for the PS3 or amazing for the PS2.
I'm inclined to think the latter, given 51.8 million consoles is still a great effort for 3rd.
TheRagnCajun said:PS3 sales are up, shipments are down...makes sense.
Parmenides said:I don't know.I have my doubts.
The most recent three months are down 25% and that is the only info that really matters since we are discussing a fiscal year projection.Parmenides said:-During the first half of the year,PS3 retail sales have grown in U.S. and Europe (14 weeks) YoY, but for some reason global PS3 shipments have declined by around 15 percent.
I don't think there's really any sort of 3D 'collapse' coming. The reality is it is cheap to manufacture and never really involved that much in R&D costs on the display side ... so even if it fails entirely it doesn't particularly change things. I think it will pretty much be the standard on everything but small displays and entry-level units (60Hz). At this point it's a bullet-point that everyone will include.kadotsu said:I think there biggest near future problem will be the 3D collapse. Sony should focus on getting OLED to a mass market size/price instead of pushing so hard for 3D. There gaming devision seems on the right track, though IMO.
Raistlin said:I don't think there's really any sort of 3D 'collapse' coming. The reality is it is cheap to manufacture and never really involved that much in R&D costs on the display side ... so even if it fails entirely it doesn't particularly change things. I think it will pretty much be the standard on everything but small displays and entry-level units (60Hz). At this point it's a bullet-point that everyone will include.
The real problem in the industry is they misinterpreted sales data from the prior several years. HDTV really hit the mainstream through natural replacement and some finding the jump to HD compelling enough - once the prices became respectable.
The manufacturers were seeing year-on-year growth and were trying to figure out how to continue it. By looking at the phone/MP3/gadget market, I think they deluded themselves into thinking adding some extra features would get people to replace TV's on a much quicker basis. The problem is the price difference versus a gadget is simply way too much to see similar timing. Of course it's also quite possible they really didn't necessarily think it would work. It's just that 3D wasn't really that costly so it was worth the shot.
I think the reality of the situation is that HD was a big enough improvement that it created a bubble. The TV industry is now notably cyclical in a way it wasn't previously. We saw some good year-on-year growth because of the boom, but we'll now see declines until we hit the natural replacement growth hitting from the beginning of the boom.
That said, there probably is some truth to their theory that gadgets have made people replace sooner than in the past - just not to the level that can sustain growth continuously. I believe the cycle will be quicker than some are expecting, because gadgets have made people more likely to replace prior to failure, and far more people consider it normal to have multiple TV's in their house. Now that prices aren't crazy, people are more apt to move a TV into their basement, bedroom, or den and upgrade. It's simply not going to be as quick as gadgets.
So what can get this smaller cycle? Certainly a new display tech like OLED could do it, but I also think a combination of features can do it. For example, let's say in a few years we see some high end LCD's that combine 4K, 3D, tons of streaming services and local content playback, and widgets/apps. That aggregate of features will likely be enough to jump-start the cycle, especially as they come down in price. It isn't that no one finds 3D compelling, it's just not compelling enough given many people having bought their TV's relatively recently.
As far as Sony concentrating on OLED ... I'm sure they are, but it's simply way too expensive right now. It's a ways off assuming it ever really becomes viable.