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OnLive Launching June 17, $14.95 Per Month
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akachan ningen
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How are they planning on profiting from this? Hoping that people buy subscriptions and then not use them? Is it gonna be like columbia house where they make it an ordeal to cancel your account?
My Internet at home is about 1MB, so OnLive is not really an option for me anyways. At least not now.
Im used to buying a console and then buy games for it that I can play, own, lend to a friend, and resell if I want to.
If a game is $60 at GameStop no way Id pay more than $25 to "rent it" from OnLive. Because you will never own anything you've purchased there. Not only that but they can take away your "license to play this game" (which is what you actually get for your money) whenever they want. I want to be able to buy my games used, buy them cheap and have them forever.
edit: Dammit, I thought I used the edit-button.
Im used to buying a console and then buy games for it that I can play, own, lend to a friend, and resell if I want to.
If a game is $60 at GameStop no way Id pay more than $25 to "rent it" from OnLive. Because you will never own anything you've purchased there. Not only that but they can take away your "license to play this game" (which is what you actually get for your money) whenever they want. I want to be able to buy my games used, buy them cheap and have them forever.
edit: Dammit, I thought I used the edit-button.
crazy monkey
Banned
Mr Pockets said:Well I have been using the service for the last 2 hours. I like it
how is the lag? graphics? game selection? can you check how much internet does it use after like hour of playing game?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I hope I can subscribe to an MMORPG I bought using OnLive, and then pay $30 a month in subscription fees, plus whatever they charge for the title.Fakto said:
RPGCrazied
Member
way to much.. 14.95$ a month, pluse fees to even rent/buy the games?
no thanks, should have been just a flat fee to begin with
no thanks, should have been just a flat fee to begin with
Z_Y
Member
SILVO said:
I love when people do this and basically leave out the intrinsic value of you know....actually owning your shit. How about at the end of that 4 year span...I sell my computer and 20 games for >$124? What now?
*I'm ignoring the other problem that you actually need a PC to use OnLive. Sure...not the latest and the greatest....but PCs don't typically have decade long life spans. Shit other than games may require you (or at least make you want to) upgrade every 5 years or so.
sankt-Antonio
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meh
demigod
Member
SILVO said:
Why are people defending this shit? It's going to fail within a year. Lets stop making assumptions that games are going to cost less on OnLive. If you're going to compare the prices, at least do it right. A computer plus games is just that. You don't need internet connection to play offline games(besides ubishit). OnLive requires a good internet connection which will probably be in the $50 range and either a PC or TV.
Why do people keep bringing up MMOs? You don't own anything on there even though you bought the game. Everyone who plays MMO should already know this. You're paying a sub on MMOs to play the game. You can sell your account but the company still has a right to terminate it. With Onlive, you pay a sub and pay to buy a game which you won't even own, that's retarded. Why pay $60 to pretend that you own the game when you can actually pay that in retail and own it?
Here's my question, who here plan on subbing this for a year?
krypt0nian
Banned
James Cameron already optioned the rights to film this one go under the waves...
KittyKittyBangBang
Member
Im interested. I hope there is a free trial type scenario because if I can get this service lag-free I may bite for the rental service alone.
speculawyer
Member
Wat? I don't think so.Fakto said:
Yup for 720p stream of video around 2,8ghz, 512mb ram, 64mb video card. Even then video doesn't displays smoothly most of the time.Z_Y said:
We can already notice controller lag, with 30fps games. Just think about that with Internet lag. Noway are they going to support the whole motion control thing, hate it or love it, it is the future, which all adds to the controller lag.
And noway is Onlive is going to work without compression I can feel the artifacting coming already.
You also need a pretty expensive Internet connection that the most people don't have.
I know they are going for the cloud computing thing which isn't a bad idea for programs that aren't games, or graphic designing, etc. Though for games(and graphic designing) you need direct feed back that Onlive simply doesn't offer.
The creators themselves should've known this as well. This seems like an investment scam to me.
Version 3.0
Member
KillerAJD said:
Thanks for the impressions. I'm honestly very impressed that they can get playable results at all--that's quite a triumph on the tech side--but we all knew their claims were outlandish.
speculawyer
Member
:lolrainking187 said:
Stuggernaut
Grandma's Chippy
I can pretty much only say that I am IN the beta...not really allowed to discuss otherwise. NDA type stuff of course.crazy monkey said:
I was just hoping someone else here was on it as well
charlequin
Banned
SILVO said:
Errr, you clearly haven't thought this particlar talking point very well.
If the game is released in normal PC format, it doesn't matter if it's also released on OnLive, because the regular PC version will be pirated. If a regular PC version is released, the amount of piracy will stay exactly the same regardless of whether an OnLive version is released or not.
Anerythristic
Member
You know what I wondered is an average U.S. cable connection OK with this. I think its usually like 8.00 up .75 down or something like that.
HadesGigas
Member
Poorly spaced out announcements, or hurried remedy for pr disaster?
http://blog.onlive.com/2010/03/11/more-news-from-onlive/
http://blog.onlive.com/2010/03/11/more-news-from-onlive/
HadesGigas
Member
Aaron said:
And you can't buy any, and presumably wouldn't have access to things like spectating, posting "brag" videos, and whatever else they feel like roping off for the subscribers.
thehillissilent
Member
HadesGigas said:
Why didn't they tell us this earlier? At least we can play demos for free (or "select" demos). This feels like damage control
Aaron said:
Also, I'm gonna guess that they'll have considerably more limited bandwidth available through this portal so it'll be much less reliable than their paid service.
Fakto said:
They're not gonna pay your WOW subscription though so it'll $15 on top of $15 per month plus the cost of the game. We're talking at least $30 a month for the service when you get into MMO's.
thehillissilent said:
It no doubt is...but so what? They need to do damage control on this. No doubt they were saving it to be a bonus later but then realized they need it to sell the service. Some people might now wait until they can demo the service to see how it is before subscribing though so it might end up working against them.
You're not paying $15/month for the right to buy the games. You're paying $15/month for their hardware. The point being that you could then use a crappy PC to play a game.benjipwns said:
There's no way that you could play Portal *at all* on most of my friends' laptops, but though this service, might have a decently playable game because most of the work would be on their hardware. That's what you're paying for.
Whether it's actually worth that price to you is another matter, but it's not like they're trying to hose your or anything. I'm sure this service is going to be provided at (or even below) cost at first.
I doubt it. They want to attract people to the service. Allowing them to play free trials of free demos is a good way to get people in.thehillissilent said:
I'll probably try it on a laptop. It might be worth it if it means I can rent an extra copy of Left4Dead and some decent hardware for a week while my university friends are back in town. It was hard finding enough gaming-capable computers to play 4-player. One guy had to play at 15-20fps. That sucked.
brain_stew
Member
SILVO said:
There isn't going to be a discount on the games, people need to stop believing this. Since publishers earn nothing from the subscription fee (that's for Onlive) they have absolutely no reason to discount their games. In fact, since you'll be restricted to one retailer and thus miss out on the bazillion of incredible game deals on the PC, you'll be paying more for your games over the course of a year. No one buys all their PC games at $50, sub $15 purchases make up the majority of purchases from your average PC gamer these days.
Not only that but your calculations factor in $500 worth of PC upgrades every year. There's no need to spend that much unless you need to be on the absolute bleeding edge, and if you were ever considering Onlive, then that simply must not be the case. A sub $100 videocard every 2/3 years will buy you Onlive quality gaming.
Aaron said:
Make your point by all means, but there's no need to lie. 5870s weren't available 4 years ago.
brain_stew
Member
SILVO said:
At 720p, yes, you absolutely would. At the very least you'll be pushing much better quality than Onlive will be. You can buy a videocard for $160 that will absolutely demolish any game (Crysis and Metro 2033 included) at 720p. If you'd have been keeping up with PC hardware, you'd have known this already. Honestly, even an $80 5670 is more than enough for 720p these days, most PC games really aren't all that demanding. Onlive is a solution to a problem that has already been solved.
Ricker said:
The only "hardware" you need is a PC or Mac that can decode a 5mbps h.264 stream at better than real time speeds. If you can stream Youtube HD (720p) without any hiccups, you're probably good. You're going to probably want a 360 controller or something as well though, I doubt the lag is going to be tolerable with a kb&m setup.
Edit:
Onlive said:
Now this is actually a great offering. Its going to be the only way to rent PC games, and, despite the quality, having that as an option for the PC platform, is great. If they ever roll out the service to the UK, even I as a staunch PC gamer, could forsee the odd occasion where I'd make use of this service. The ability to try out some demos without a lengthy download or install, at least, is pretty compelling.
brain_stew
Member
demigod said:
You don't need an "adapter" to use the service. Your run of the mill PC/Mac with abroadband connection will suffice just fine.
brain_stew
Member
Slavik81 said:
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news but Valve aren't an Onlive partner, nor will they ever be.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
demigod said:
If you have a Mac/PC you don't need the hardware since you already have it. If you want to simply use your TV then you need the console.
brain_stew
Member
demigod said:
I don't need to read it again, you need to read it again. Of course this service support the Micro Console, just like the subscription service does and it'll run through a browser plugin just fine as well.
How exactly does a very limited service missing a lot of the key features (like actually being able to buy games, for a start), make the subscription service pointless!? Its a different tier, just like Silver is different tier to Live Gold.