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Opinion: MGS3 is the greatest game ever made

I bounce back and forth between Majora's Mask and MGS3, but today I'm going to agree with you.

I knew from the moment I played the demo a dozen times that this game was going to be something special.

Game has the perfect amount of escalation and variation, up until the ending, which is still one of the most impressive finales of any piece of entertainment ever.
 
Best MGS imo, and up there as one of my fav games of all time. I couldnt really tell you what is the best game ever made though.
 
Absolutely fantastic game, but like others have said I don't know if I'd class it as the greatest of all time, although its certainly amongst the greats. Even the 3DS version was highly enjoyable despite the hardware limitations.

I don't know how The Last of Us slipped in there amongst colossi like RE4, MGS3 and Dark Souls though :p
 
I can see why someone would consider MGS3 the greatest game of all time. Its definitely one of the greatest and in my top 10 for sure.
 
It's in the top 5 of my favorite GOAT.

In no particular order;

Ninja Gaiden/Black
Perfect Dark/HD
Demon's Souls
MGS3
Shenmue 2
 
Close OP, close, but MGS1 is still the best MG, and best game ever. The bosses in MGS3 are a joke, some are practically caricatures. I can't even have a laugh at them they're so ridiculous. Kojima has never replicated the best set of bosses ever in an MGS before or after (MGS1). The other points I'll pretty much give you.
 
Timedog said:
The fact that every one of your top games of all time is post-PS2 means that you haven't been gaming for very long and I can easily dismiss your opinions.
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You'd be wrong. Like I said, been gaming for 20 years.

Just because my top 10 is post-90s doesn't mean I haven't played old games, it's just some of them are top 20 or more for me.
I literally cannot fit every game I ever enjoyed in a top 10 list, so I prioritized the ones that were most meaningful to me that have stood timeless in their appeal to me. There are plenty of games I loved years ago that just don't hold up well to me anymore. There are plenty of games I enjoyed that were 2D or from the 90s, they're just not exactly my favorite genre/style and I felt many games got better in their transition to 3D (I liked Metroid Prime way better than Metroid Fusion...I never finished Super Metroid).

CloudNein said:
Close OP, close, but MGS1 is still the best MG, and best game ever. The bosses in MGS3 are a joke, some are practically caricatures. I can't even have a laugh at them they're so ridiculous. Kojima has never replicated the best set of bosses ever in an MGS before or after (MGS1). The other points I'll pretty much give you.
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What boss in MGS3 isn't ridiculous *MGS3 spoilers*
except for THE Boss
?

Tookay said:
I bounce back and forth between Majora's Mask and MGS3, but today I'm going to agree with you.

I knew from the moment I played the demo a dozen times that this game was going to be something special.

Game has the perfect amount of escalation and variation, up until the ending, which is still one of the most impressive finales of any piece of entertainment ever.
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This is so amazing about MGS3. You think the game is over and it literally keeps on going, accelerating, tensing and exponentiating until the credits roll onto the screen.

MAX PAYMENT said:
I agree, though i have to seriously question your tastes in games by putting last of us at number 2.

And then they followed it up with the worst sequel of all time. Still salty about 4.
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I have replayed The Last of Us like at least 5 times. The story, pacing, crafting system, combat and gameplay are so engrossing to me that I just keep coming back. It's not the most innovative game ever, especially in TPS design, but it was so carefully designed in almost every aspect that any flaws are negligible enough for me to enjoy myself no matter how many times I go back.

To be honest, my top 4 are really interchangeable. It's just if I had to sequentially order them, I might put TLOU at #2 because rarely has a game impacted me like that before. The only video game characters I ever cared about more than Ellie and Joel are probably Big Boss and The Boss.
 
Played it on the 3DS and enjoyed it. I don't get all the fuss though. It's no Mario Kart, Civilization, Sim City, Rome: Total War, Homeworld, Freespace 2, Command and Conquer, The Longest Journey, Mass Effect, FFVII... I can go on and on.
 
Munkybhai said:
Played it on the 3DS and enjoyed it. I don't get all the fuss though. It's no Mario Kart, Civilization, Sim City, Rome: Total War, Homeworld, Freespace 2, Command and Conquer, The Longest Journey, Mass Effect, FFVII... I can go on and on.
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You lost me at comparing MGS3 to Mario Kart...
 
The Lamp said:
You lost me at comparing MGS3 to Mario Kart...
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Yup, there's no comparison. I could play Mario Kart forever, but I never put in MGS3 in my 3DS again. It was fun, but I guess I just found it just good. I think that Mario Kart (the SNES version) is an almost perfect game. Competitive, replayable, and so original. And it was just one of many games that I prefer. Hell, I had way more fun playing Nintendoland with 5 people than I ever had with MGS3.

I was mentioning games that "I" prefer far and above MGS3. Clearly you don't have to agree, but there's no need to act like I'm bonkers, haha.
 
Metal Gear Solid 3 CAN'T be the best greatest game ever made. It's definitely in the top 5 or so, but it's not even the best Metal Gear game. Metal Gear Solid has the best story and atmosphere of the series, while Metal Gear Solid V has the best game play. Sure, I only have Ground Zeroes to go on, but I'm pretty doubtful that much will change with Phantom Pain. If Phantom Pain has a killer story, it will be GOAT, hands down.

MGS>Ground Zeroes>MGS2>MGS4>MGS3>PW>MG2>MG>PO
 
It's a great game. Quite possibly the best in the series. I think I'd also place it somewhere in my top twenty or thirty. My only hang up is the typical MGS cutscenes interruption, but it's way less prevalent in this one.
 
The stealth mechanic in MGS3 was so terrible and cumbersome to use that I quit the game very quickly

Haven't touched an MGS game since
 
Hmm If you had said two I would have agreed with you. MGS2 was batshit insane at the time, and still is today. I still today am impressed Kojima had the courage to make you play as Raiden the whole game.
 
It's not mine but it may be mine if I exclude RPGs/tactical games... and I certainly wouldn't argue that it's underdeserving. Probably the greatest story action game, or certainly at least out of Japan.
 
it's in my top 10 games ever. that said MGS2 edges it out even within the MGS series IMo because MGS2 had the deeper more meaningful story.

but yeah MGS3 is definetely one of those games that has artistic/meaning behind it.

my top games - FFX, MGS2, MGS3, xenogears, Xenosaga trilogy, Bioshock, Mass Effect, FF12, Xenoblade.
 
One of the best games ever made. Easily in my top 5.

I hope TPP comes close to MGS3 in terms of storytelling and bosses.
 
MasterBalls said:
To people who've never played Metal Gear before, it's obtuse and frustrating as fuck.

Source: Me. I desperately tried to get into this game like a dozen times but nothing clicked. Shame since all the hype it gets.
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I think the game may work best if you kinda sorta played Metal Gear, but you aren't yet some sort of superfan walking encyclopedia.

At least that's how I experienced it. I actually went through the game thinking it was Solid Snake and the whole thing was some WTF timeline thing they would reveal by the end. I knew enough to know about clones and heck, time release clone viruses. Why not?

But then they fuck the poor guy up so bad and put him through hell. By the time they rip out the dude's eye, I started getting vague recollections of a bad guy from some 8 bit games who wears an eye patch because the 1980s, that's why. Then I have to come to terms with the fact that I've been rooting for the bad guy who isn't so bad he is just misunderstood.
 
Don't know about greatest ever - don't think there is any single game I'd consider the single best of all - but definitely among the best. I adore mgs3, really my favorite in the whole series.
 
Snake Eater is the only one of the four MGS games that I haven't beaten. The game loses me after the first couple of hours. I don't like the lack of a radar. I'm not a fan of the Cold War storyline. The camo system is meh. Healing your injuries is tedious.

I've tried to play through the game multiple times and I always find myself going to play something else instead. Snake Eater is to MGS what FFVIII was to Final Fantasy for me: A game that abruptly changed the gameplay formula that I previously liked and ultimately wound up pushing me away while impressing most everyone else.
 
Munkybhai said:
What would be the difference? Better frame rate and textures? Core gameplay and story are the same, right, so what am I missing out on? I'm not much of a graphic whore, so I don't care that much for prettier visuals.
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a playable framerate and much better graphics also paying with the vastly superior controls of a dualshock 3.

3ds version is awful.
 
Munkybhai said:
What would be the difference? Better frame rate and textures? Core gameplay and story are the same, right, so what am I missing out on? I'm not much of a graphic whore, so I don't care that much for prettier visuals.
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Better controls, much better framerate, slightly different mechanics. You don't have to be a graphic whore to appreciate going from a 3DS screen to PS3 remaster; that's a huuuuuuuuuuuge jump.

3DS version is also missing the MSX remasters.

With PS2 version you are talking even more content such as Snake v.s. Monkey, secret theatre, prison dream minigame, and the defunct MGO.
 
As much as I appreciate the insanity in the MGS series, there's just something heartfelt and humane about MGS3. It also feels like an adventure from beginning to end, with some of the best pacing in the medium. Tortune scene is one of my favorite moments in a game. Made my gut wrench worse than the whole microwave sequence in MGS4.
 
It's not even the best Metal Gear Solid game, let alone the best game ever.

The insane plot, no radar, eating, and the getting-old-by-then gameplay mechanics that were frankly better in MGS1 and MGS2. Not that I didn't have some fun playing MGS3 but woah with the hyperbole.
 
Best in the series, that's for sure. Impossible to name best game of all time to me. This would definitely be a contender.

The best cutscenes in the franchise yet in my opinion. How sick was that
gun juggling with ocelot
?

Man what a masterpiece.
 
Tidus_Great said:
a playable framerate and much better graphics also paying with the vastly superior controls of a dualshock 3.

3ds version is awful.
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I had the circle pad pro, so I had all the same buttons and controls. Well, I guess I still have it but lost my original 3DS at a grayhound terminal and reaced it with an XL.

I'll give you frame rate for a mildly better experience, but considering that the game is built around being sneaky rather than twitchy, the crappy frame rate sometimes helped, lol.
 
Munkybhai said:
I had the circle pad pro, so I had all the same buttons and controls. Well, I guess I still have it but lost my original 3DS at a grayhound terminal and reaced it with an XL.

I'll give you frame rate for a mildly better experience, but considering that the game is built around being sneaky rather than twitchy, the crappy frame rate sometimes helped, lol.
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I just couldn't play it on the 3DS. I hated it. I do recommend the PS3 version. It's the difference between playing Smash Bros. on Wii U with a Gamecube controller and Smash Bros. on the 3DS for me.


terrene said:
It's not even the best Metal Gear Solid game, let alone the best game ever.

The insane plot, no radar, eating, and the getting-old-by-then gameplay mechanics that were frankly better in MGS1 and MGS2. Not that I didn't have some fun playing MGS3 but woah with the hyperbole.
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I loved everything you mentioned. The plot was actually very good for MGS standards. Self-contained, reasonable with only small injections of absurd sci-fi, and while the gameplay mechanics will have trouble aging as the years go by, it's still very playable IMO. You just press X to stand or press X to crawl. When you play it the way it wants it's very easy.

I loved having no radar because that made the past MGS games waaaaaaaay too easy.

I also liked eating because it was a neat idea that fit the theme and the gameplay environment without being too cumbersome because the menus were quick and seamless...although a remake years from now could greatly improve it.
 
Sub_Level said:
Better controls, much better framerate, slightly different mechanics. You don't have to be a graphic whore to appreciate going from a 3DS screen to PS3 remaster; that's a huuuuuuuuuuuge jump.

3DS version is also missing the MSX remasters.

With PS2 version you are talking even more content such as Snake v.s. Monkey, secret theatre, prison dream minigame, and the defunct MGO.
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Interesting, I wonder why they cut some of that content from the other versions. Don't have a PS2, but I do have a PS3.
 
Munkybhai said:
Interesting, I wonder why they cut some of that content from the other versions. Don't have a PS2, but I do have a PS3.
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Snake v.s. Monkey was cut because of Ape Escape license. No clue on the dream minigame and secret theatre, but you can just view those on youtube anyway and it's not like Snake vs Monkey is worth buying a PS2 for since it is comprised of 7 brief missions.

Not sure if 3DS version has it, but HD Collection also includes Boss Survival.
 
Sub_Level said:
Better controls, much better framerate, slightly different mechanics. You don't have to be a graphic whore to appreciate going from a 3DS screen to PS3 remaster; that's a huuuuuuuuuuuge jump.

3DS version is also missing the MSX remasters.

With PS2 version you are talking even more content such as Snake v.s. Monkey, secret theatre, prison dream minigame, and the defunct MGO.
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If the 3DS had a second stick that version of MGS3 would have the best controls, but that would be its only advantage.
 
I can agree with OP. I could just boot up the game, start NG+, fuck around with Stealth Camo and have much more fun than with any current AAA title. It's an amazing game.
 
i can see all of your top ten being ten of someones favorite games (although a bit "new" but whatever) i can see how someone could say those with a straight face

except for 8 and 2

yeah no
 
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