ComputerMKII
Banned
Edit: nevermind.
The difference in their stances is pretty obvious Comp.Isn't that contradictory to what is reported in Libération? I'm not sure what Hollande's logic is.
Edit: Oh, I think I get it, sort of.
Le Monde, (supposedly) the French newspaper of record, perfectly neutral and above politics: http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article...ustifie-pas-tous-les-moyens_1690892_3232.html
I feel you. Posting goofy responses is easy, trying to articulate you thoughts in another language can get mind crushing.Fuck, I need to do something about my English. Typing my previous posts took way too long.
Fair enough.The difference in their stances is pretty obvious Comp.
Sarkozy : I'm going to get their votes by catering to the themes the FN used in the campaign.
Hollande : I'm going to bring back those voters into the republican fold by sticking to my themes and showing FN is wrong headed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the results are very close.Is Sarkozy pretty much fucked then? Seems like there's no way back for him.
Fuck, I need to do something about my English. Typing my previous posts took way too long.
Stumpokapow trying to make us feel dumb because we're complaining about english as french is way harder. Damn you!I feel the same way about my French. I'm fluent and no problem reading newspaper or academic articles in French, but it takes me an eon to try to write my own French, and all of my noun genders are either wrong or need to be looked up.
Yep. Neogaf is still my main source of inspiration for written English, but the funny pics thread is more interesting than the ones about the US campaign.I feel you. Posting goofy responses is easy, trying to articulate you thoughts in another language can get mind crushing.
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=749535Is Sarkozy pretty much fucked then? Seems like there's no way back for him.
Congratulations, you might have the same level of French as some of our literary students.I feel the same way about my French. I'm fluent and no problem reading newspaper or academic articles in French, but it takes me an eon to try to write my own French, and all of my noun genders are either wrong or need to be looked up.
He did... but honestly.Sarkozy crawled back from the pit Jacques Chirac put him along with Balladur, I won't consider he's defeated before the results are in.
There'll be blood on the floor for sure but I wouldn't bet Hollande is going to be the only one going home with a swollen face.The crucifixion of François Hollande will happen on May 2 at 9 pm: http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...-mai-a-21h00-sur-france-2-et-tf1-7192732.html
They're not racist but yada yada yada yada yada.So is this accurate about Le Pen voters.
Elena Casas is a cutie.for any english speakers with a passing interest of the election, this is one of the best youtube channels for coverage.
They're not racist but yada yada yada yada yada.
But seriously I'll only feel confortable calling racist the core electorate of the FN which should be about 10~15% of the voters. In a country with more than 150 years of immigration it is fucking sad.
for any english speakers with a passing interest of the election, this is one of the best youtube channels for coverage.
france24english
http://www.economist.com/blogs/elysee/2012/04/françois-hollande-and-austerityFrançois Hollande and austerity
Leader of the axis of growth?
Apr 25th 2012, 18:32 by S.P. | PARIS
FRANÇOIS HOLLANDE was on remarkably good form this afternoon at a press conference in Paris. He has made such an effort recently to appear solemn and presidential that it is almost a surprise to find him back to cracking jokes.
The main subject of his good humour, besides the continuing favourable second-round opinion polls, was a comment made this morning by Mario Draghi, head of the European Central Bank. Mr Draghi suggested that he would be in favour of a growth pact. The news has been all over the French media today. For Mr Hollande, a week-and-a-half before the run-off on May 6th, this was too good to be true. And it probably is.
Mr Hollande has been campaigning for months on the idea that, if elected, he will renegotiate the German-backed fiscal pact for the euro, which emphasises fiscal austerity. He says his first trip as president will be to Berlin, where he will tell Angela Merkel not only that he wants more emphasis on growth, but that he will block ratification of the (signed) treaty if he doesnt get his way.
This afternoon, Mr Hollande laid his policy out more clearly. He was still in favour of budgetary discipline, he said. But this needed to be balanced with growth-supporting measures. These could be dealt with in a recast treatyor as part of a new growth pact to complement the fiscal one.
He has a four-point plan: to create European project bonds to finance growth-stimulating infrastructure and energy projects; to reinforce investment by the European Investment Bank; to introduce a financial-transaction tax among willing European countries; and to use structural funds more efficiently.
Until now Mr Hollande has sounded like a voice in the wilderness. Nicolas Sarkozys people have mocked what they see as his grossly inflated sense of his own potential bargaining power. Its completely out of the question to renegotiate the treaty, one of the Sarkozy team told me a few weeks ago. Hes getting everybodys backs up with this idea.
Take Mr Draghis comments, however, combine them with growing voices within Europe for less austerity and more growth (see Spain and Italy) and throw in similar views in the United States and at the IMF, and suddenly Mr Hollande no longer looks like an outlier but like a leader who has anticipated the changing mood. No wonder he was looking so chuffed today.
The catch is this: when Mr Hollande talks about growth-supporting measures, does he mean the same thing as everybody else? His plans are not to adapt the rate of fiscal tightening to economic conditions, or to balance structural reform with a boost to demand. They are mainly to borrow and spend more at a European level. And that is presumably not what leaders like Mario Monti or Mr Draghi have in mind.
http://www.france24.com/en/20120427...de-rtl-france-socialist-presidential-electionHollande calls limiting economic immigration 'essential'
France's Socialist presidential candidate François Hollande said Friday that limiting illegal immigration during an economic crisis was "essential". Immigration has been a key issue since the far rights strong showing in the elections first round.
By News Wires (text)
AFP - French presidential frontrunner Socialist Francois Hollande said Friday it was vital to limit economic immigration in a time of crisis.
"In the period of crisis we are going through, limiting economic immigration is necessary and essential," Hollande told RTL radio.
"I also want to fight illegal immigration on the economic front. It is not right that a certain number of employers, in a cynical way, are hiring illegal migrants," he said.
Hollande reiterated his vow to ask parliament to fix the number of immigrants allowed into France every year.
"I don't think there will ever be zero immigration, there will always be legal immigration. Can we reduce the number? That's a debate," he said.
He added however that he was against reducing the number of foreign students allowed into France to study.
"I think that the presence of foreign students in our faculties is an opportunity, not just for the foreign students but for us," he said.
Immigration has become a key issue in the campaign for the second round of France's presidential election on May 6 after far right candidate Marine Le Pen of the National Front came third in Sunday's first round with 18 percent.
Incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy has shifted further to the right since the first round, vowing to "defend the French way of life", reduce immigration and secure France's borders.
Once Hollande is in charge, he won't be able to put his program into effect so I expect him to do the policy of the right with the votes of the left. But since the President everyone hates will be gone, newspapers won't say shit and no one will bother protest in the streets anymore.Libé is a left-wing newspaper. The question is how they'll be once Hollande is in charge.
Would you bet on it ?But since the President everyone hates will be gone, newspapers won't say shit and no one will bother protest in the streets anymore.
As for The Economist's front page, it's factual, not sensationalist. I don't see what's wrong in saying that François Hollande is rather dangerous.
He's going to ruin the economy even faster than Sarkozy will.How is he dangerous exactly?
Calling The Economist 'anti-French' is preposterous and sectarian but hey, it's the left. They still believe the whole world envies our public finance and subsidized industry.
And then :I would also point out to French readers that, as far as I know (these things get decided in London), the reason that the editor chose to put the word "dangerous" on the cover was as a humorous clin doeil at the first words that Mr Hollande pronounced when he turned up in London on the campaign trail: I am not dangerous.
Our leader gives Mr Hollande credit where it is due, stating:
With a Socialist president, France would get one big thing right. Mr Hollande opposes the harsh German-enforced fiscal tightening which is strangling the euro zones chances of recovery.
So they do have a problem with what we're doing. Whether it is true or not, it's clear that they have a stance.It goes on to argue that the danger is not that Mr Hollande is pushing a growth agenda in Europe, which The Economist has also called for. It is rather that:
unlike, say, Italys Mario Monti, Mr Hollandes objection to the compact is not just about such macroeconomic niceties as the pace of fiscal tightening. It is chiefly resistance to change and a determination to preserve the French social model at all costs. Mr Hollande is not suggesting slower fiscal adjustment to smooth the path of reform.
Once Hollande is in charge, he won't be able to put his program into effect so I expect him to do the policy of the right with the votes of the left. But since the President everyone hates will be gone, newspapers won't say shit and no one will bother protest in the streets anymore.
Kind of like Obama when he replaced Bush as POTUS.
As for The Economist's front page, it's factual, not sensationalist. I don't see what's wrong in saying that François Hollande is rather dangerous.
He has problems handling the most probable result of the elections. Poor Comp...Haha, i see pre-election fervor is starting to manifest.
Why yes I do, but I won't be satisfied either if Sarkozy wins.He has problems handling the most probable result of the elections. Poor Comp...
Calling The Economist 'anti-French' is preposterous and sectarian but hey, it's the left. They still believe the whole world envies our public finance and subsidized industry.