MetroidPrimeRib
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Yup that's the arc I thought. I dunno what to think of that.
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Owarimonogatari [OT] Araragi's got 99 problems, but the vampire ain't one.
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Alright this is stemming from a Twitter conversation and I forgot about it until now but there is one thing I don't get about the series. It's about Senjougahara, and also about Senjougahara and Hanekawa.
Senjougahara goes through a shift between Nise and Second Season, a pretty massive one. The first time she shows up is shocking because she's crying and having a panic attack about Hanekawa. There's the shower scene and stuff like that too.
Now I can kind of infer why Senjougahara changed like that - she finally came to terms with Kaiki or she cut her hair and it changed her personality because Nisio or whatever. But before Senjougahara would refer to Hanekawa as "Hanekawa-sama" and then quickly correct herself when Araragi noticed. I still don't understand why and why she no longer was seemingly afraid of Hanekawa (that she might steal Araragi away, maybe? That she felt like Hanekawa was merely loaning Araragi to her and that she could rather easily take him away?) or what Hanekawa even told her in the first place.
Senjougahara goes through a shift between Nise and Second Season, a pretty massive one. The first time she shows up is shocking because she's crying and having a panic attack about Hanekawa. There's the shower scene and stuff like that too.
Now I can kind of infer why Senjougahara changed like that - she finally came to terms with Kaiki or she cut her hair and it changed her personality because Nisio or whatever. But before Senjougahara would refer to Hanekawa as "Hanekawa-sama" and then quickly correct herself when Araragi noticed. I still don't understand why and why she no longer was seemingly afraid of Hanekawa (that she might steal Araragi away, maybe? That she felt like Hanekawa was merely loaning Araragi to her and that she could rather easily take him away?) or what Hanekawa even told her in the first place.
Cornbread78
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Never thought of it like that. If I remember correctly, it signified her coming to terms with her past like you mentioned, but also her being more confident in herself as an equal to Hanakawa.
The two of them became friends and value each other beyound their shared connection with Araragi, Nekomonogatari made that quite clear. So Senjougahara learned what kind of person Hanekawa is and respects her accordingly.
Owarimonogatari 6
Awesome episode and a happy conclusion. I expected that they would go that route with the Oikura mystery, but it is kind depressing. Living for so much time with a corpse... It's weird that she didn't notice a smell or something, but I guess the house either smelled awfully because of the garbage or she was a bit insane... Probably both...
Also, Ougi dropping all of those bombs at the start of the episode. She was so fucking salty about losing to Hanekawa. lol And that jab about looking for Hachikuji... lol And Oikura when she isn't angry/crazy/sad is sooo cute.
Oh and loved the song at the end.
Awesome episode and a happy conclusion. I expected that they would go that route with the Oikura mystery, but it is kind depressing. Living for so much time with a corpse... It's weird that she didn't notice a smell or something, but I guess the house either smelled awfully because of the garbage or she was a bit insane... Probably both...
Also, Ougi dropping all of those bombs at the start of the episode. She was so fucking salty about losing to Hanekawa. lol And that jab about looking for Hachikuji... lol And Oikura when she isn't angry/crazy/sad is sooo cute.
Oh and loved the song at the end.
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Was Nadeko the only person that remembered Oikura at all? She did remember her right? Considering that the fire sisters didn't and that Ararararagi didn't, I'd almost think she never existed at all before Ougi came along. Nadeko remembering her kind of refutes that idea though. In any case I'm sure Ougi is the reason for her transfer at the end.
I was hoping that Rarararagi-san would tell Ougi off at some point during the tirade but I don't think he could believe what he was hearing. I guess her ability (whatever it is) requires close proximity and a willing participant and Hanekawa ruined both of those for her.
I was happy to see the return of Koyokoyo even if we still rarely get to see the two of them in a room together anymore.
I guess we already know what happens to the "lost child" but still :O
Was Nadeko the only person that remembered Oikura at all? She did remember her right? Considering that the fire sisters didn't and that Ararararagi didn't, I'd almost think she never existed at all before Ougi came along. Nadeko remembering her kind of refutes that idea though. In any case I'm sure Ougi is the reason for her transfer at the end.
I was hoping that Rarararagi-san would tell Ougi off at some point during the tirade but I don't think he could believe what he was hearing. I guess her ability (whatever it is) requires close proximity and a willing participant and Hanekawa ruined both of those for her.
I was happy to see the return of Koyokoyo even if we still rarely get to see the two of them in a room together anymore.
I guess we already know what happens to the "lost child" but still :O
Any you know the best thing? The scene leads directly into this one from Nadeko Medusa where Nadeko meets Ougi the first time.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Owarimonogatari 06
Man that opening scene with Ougi was great. Personal space really doesn't mean shit to Ougi. Almost. Hanekawa almost lost there.
Anyway, that was a pretty great arc and it wrapped up more happily then I thought it would.
Also don't think Ougi meant she was looking for Hachikuji. I think she was actually looking for Nadeko.
Man that opening scene with Ougi was great. Personal space really doesn't mean shit to Ougi. Almost. Hanekawa almost lost there.
I can half accept the answer for Oikura's mother but corpses smell really, really bad. Like the absolute worst, most pungent smell you can imagine. And it takes years for a corpse to decompose fully down to the bone...
Anyway, that was a pretty great arc and it wrapped up more happily then I thought it would.
Also don't think Ougi meant she was looking for Hachikuji. I think she was actually looking for Nadeko.
This is after Mayoi Jiangshi and before Nadeko Medusa, after all
Episode 12 (with recaps), Second Season. She was not looking for Nadeko, she right out states that she was looking for Hachikuji and (see screenshot in my other post) Nadeko is only a sideshow for her and she is annoyed that she is doing things "out of order".
Wow, that's pretty awesome.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Well, I guess that's that.
I wonder if she can't find Hachikuji because this is the day Araragi picked to abduct her off the street and bring her to his house.
Owarimonogatari takes place after Shinobu Time. Hachikuji is gone already. See the two posts below.
Yeah I remember the name of the upcoming arc now from when someone posted them. Well, at least whatever happens will be new to me, even though I'm scared :O
No, this is set one to two months after Shinobu Time happened. Ougi simply doesn't know that Hachikuji already moved on.
Also: the aftercredit scene of episode 20 of SS, last episode of Shinbou Time is set "4 months later" with Araragi telling Ougi the whole story. This should be set between Nadeko Snake and Hitagi End. Followed by this tidbit:
Also: after Ougi leaves the room Shinobu is telling Aragi that she is probably "something", to which he agrees.
Rewatch going to be interesting after the series finished.
Nice conclusion to the Sodachi arc. I feel sorry for all of the horrible stuff that happens to her but am relieved that she gets a new chance at life. Switching schools and starting out fresh is for the best after all the baggage in that town. That boob grab confrontation between Hanekawa and Ougi was great. Hanekawa was great during this arc and had the best moment with washing her hair and solving the locked door situation. Hopefully we'll see Sodachi one day and have her be happy.
PdotMichael
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What a cute happy ending you have there!
The novel expands a bit about the Fire Sisters not remembering her: there actually were several kids who had to stay at Araragi's for a little bit, at different times, and they're just not sure which one their brother is referring to (for the record, he doesn't remember any of them).
It was for quite some time, but that's no true anymore: two of the three stories included in the recent Orokamonogatari are set after the events of Hanamonogatari.
Also, just in case, the story so far (plus Kizumonogatari, 'cause that totally came out in 2012, right?):
March 25 - April 7: Koyomi Vamp (Kizumonogatari)
April 29 - May 7: Tsubasa Family (Nekomonogatari (Kuro))
May 8: Hitagi Crab (Bakemonogatari)
May 14: Mayoi Maimai (Bakemonogatari)
May 26 - 27: Suruga Monkey (Bakemonogatari)
June 11 - 12: Nadeko Snake (Bakemonogatari)
June 13 - 14: Tsubasa Cat (Bakemonogatari)
July 29 - 30: Karen Bee (Nisemonogatari)
August 14: Tsukihi Phoenix (Nisemonogatari)
August 20 - 21: Mayoi Jiangshi (Kabukimonogatari)
August 21 - 24: Tsubasa Tiger (Nekomonogatari (Shiro))
August 21 - 23: Shinobu Time (Onimonogatari)
August 23 - 24: Shinobu Mail (Owarimonogatari) <- the TV adaptation of this one begins next week
October 24: Ōgi Formula (Owarimonogatari)
October 25: Sodachi Riddle (Owarimonogatari)
October 27: Sodachi Lost (Owarimonogatari)
October 31 - November 2: Nadeko Medusa (Otorimonogatari)
January 1 - February 1: Hitagi End (Koimonogatari)
February 13: Yotsugi Doll (Tsukimonogatari)
April 9 - 20: Suruga Devil (Hanamonogatari)
R_thanatos
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Ougi being salty as hell was glorious , but hanekawa stepping it up under pressure was brillant.
In the end i don't dislike oikura , her character was fine and while she made a bunch of mistakes , her on-screen presence makes it up for it as she is aware of most of her flaws.
The verbal exchanges during this whole arc were Glorious , among the best of the franchise , (not including kaiki monologues).
In the end i don't dislike oikura , her character was fine and while she made a bunch of mistakes , her on-screen presence makes it up for it as she is aware of most of her flaws.
The verbal exchanges during this whole arc were Glorious , among the best of the franchise , (not including kaiki monologues).
Aah, that makes more sense. I don't know how he forgot going to a spooky house to meet her but I guess we'll find out.
She gets another story in Orokamonogatari (which she narrates, even).
(As far as I know, Shaft hasn't said anything about adapting further books after the Final Season, but it's likely they'll get there.)
Cornbread78
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Wow, what a great close to this arc. Hanakawa bringing back the Neko hair stripes brought back some memories. Also, the background music in the final few minutes was excellent! Serious reminder of ep.12 of Bakemonogatari. Oh and salty Ougi is best Ougi, lol.
MetroidPrimeRib
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In 2013 Second Season wasn't even on the top 10 so I wouldn't count on that
Well, 2013 was a much stronger year then 2015, too
Cornbread78
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Definitely best of the season, but it's got strong competition for year.
I hope I didn't vote back then because I'm ashamed now.
2nd Season is the best part of Monogatari, with Owarimonogatari having a really strong start.Second season was very rough around the edges and Nise soured a lot of people on the series.
Most of animegaf wrote off the season (and the series) before Kaiki's episode, which is basically the sole significant achievement of Monogatari Series.
Most of animegaf wrote off the season (and the series) before Kaiki's episode, which is basically the sole significant achievement of Monogatari Series.
Owarimonogatari 06
Weird arc and one that I'm not entirely sure how I feel about. Oikura and Ougi are certainly fun characters to follow and on their own all of the episodes sans the 4th are strong but there is a lot of recurring, far fetched plot scenarios that combined, make the arc lose some of its lustre. Especially since the climax, the resolution of the mystery in the last episode also relied on this such bullshit. It's weird that the most unrealistic Mono arc is the one of the few ones that doesn't have some kind of oddity related thing as its main focal point.
I need that Decent Black piano version.
Weird arc and one that I'm not entirely sure how I feel about. Oikura and Ougi are certainly fun characters to follow and on their own all of the episodes sans the 4th are strong but there is a lot of recurring, far fetched plot scenarios that combined, make the arc lose some of its lustre. Especially since the climax, the resolution of the mystery in the last episode also relied on this such bullshit. It's weird that the most unrealistic Mono arc is the one of the few ones that doesn't have some kind of oddity related thing as its main focal point.
I need that Decent Black piano version.
Nadeko Snake was pretty bad on it's own, because the Snake and herself were terrible boring narrators, but I liked every other arc, because they all gave a new spin to what we thought after the first season.
MetroidPrimeRib
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wut Medusa (I think you mean) is easily the second strongest arc in the entire series behind Hitagi End
I think that arc is one of the best examples of an unreliable narrator I can think of
Colour me surprised. Koimonogatari aside, which is the top arc of the series, I found all of the other arcs great. I really can't think one of them being boring or bad.
And I agree that Nadeko Medusa is awesome. It's just amazing to watch Nadeko descending into madness. I felt that her narration was perfect.
I appreciate it for that and the fact that it's of course leads into Hitagi End, the greatest arc of them all. I was however massively disappointed because Nadeko was lacking the wit of the other narrators. I mean, it makes sense, because she was supposed a dull girl that limited herself, it just dragged on too long.
Nadeko's arc in MonoSS has some interesting elements to it, but it's hard to appreciate if you can't get over Nadeko herself. I also found the arc to drag kind of bad, like Chariot said.
Anyway, I like the latest episode of Owari, and this arc overall, although the resolution didn't entirely make sense, but it's w/e. Ougi and Oikura were great. I'm ready for Shinobu Mail now though.
Anyway, I like the latest episode of Owari, and this arc overall, although the resolution didn't entirely make sense, but it's w/e. Ougi and Oikura were great. I'm ready for Shinobu Mail now though.
The last 2 episodes were comprised of some of the greatest moments in the series, hands down. Araragi has been spinning his wheels for quite some time, continuously indulging in his bad habits and not growing as a person, but Nsio really developed him in this arc and allowed him to grow as a person, which was great.
The "But happiness isn't a race" speech is arguably the single most important speech in the entire series. It just perfectly encapsulates what the series is about.
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The "But happiness isn't a race" speech is arguably the single most important speech in the entire series. It just perfectly encapsulates what the series is about.
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This season has been pretty great so far, although I was a little salty when they spent like the entirety of episode 4(?) walking to Oikura's apartment. But the following episode made up for all that built up suspense and then some. They wrapped the arc up very nicely, too. Although Oikura must have been in one deep state of denial to not notice that her mother was dead all that time...
Also I'm seeing a lot of Nise hate in this thread, what's up with that? Where's my fellow Fire Sisters fans at?
Also I'm seeing a lot of Nise hate in this thread, what's up with that? Where's my fellow Fire Sisters fans at?
Cornbread78
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This season has been pretty great so far, although I was a little salty when they spent like the entirety of episode 4(?) walking to Oikura's apartment. But the following episode made up for all that built up suspense and then some. They wrapped the arc up very nicely, too. Although Oikura must have been in one deep state of denial to not notice that her mother was dead all that time...
Also I'm seeing a lot of Nise hate in this thread, what's up with that? Where's my fellow Fire Sisters fans at?
Well, sisterly love is one thing and Araragi with a toothbrush is another. Nise wasn't bad at all, just a little over the top, even by Monogatari standards, lol.
This season has been pretty great so far, although I was a little salty when they spent like the entirety of episode 4(?) walking to Oikura's apartment. But the following episode made up for all that built up suspense and then some. They wrapped the arc up very nicely, too. Although Oikura must have been in one deep state of denial to not notice that her mother was dead all that time...
Also I'm seeing a lot of Nise hate in this thread, what's up with that? Where's my fellow Fire Sisters fans at?
Nise is great, just not for everyone. Also, Fire Sisters aside, the Shinobu bath scene was disturbing.
Also I'm seeing a lot of Nise hate in this thread, what's up with that? Where's my fellow Fire Sisters fans at?
...Jokes aside, Nise went a bit too far with its fanservice which soured lots of people on the series as a whole; I managed to bear with it, but it definitely felt a bit unnerving. The cool thing is that the fanservice hasn't been nearly as over-the-top ever since (even though Hanekawa does come close), which made the series easier to watch.
Cornbread78
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Disturbing yes, but only because of Shinobu's appearance at that time. I think we would all love to see more of her adult appearance.. She would be my favorite character by far, if that was the case.
Now, with that being said, that scene was really well written and had a lot of significance on their story. It's easy to forget what their relationship was up to that point (and we really won't even know the FULL story until Kizu comes out) and how distant/contentious Araragi and Shinobu were. Again, the visuals could have been changed quite a bit to make it a more comfortable scene to watch, but my guess would be that the writer wanted to stress the importance of intimacy between the two and how they are bound together through everything going forward. There are no secrets, and no hiding; they will see everything of each other going forward like it or not, so Shinobu made the first move to bridge the emotional/physical gap between the two. I took it as more of an intimate moment, not a sexual moment, which is the important distinction there. Both pledged their trust and faith in one another to make it work without one killing the other. Very good scene when placed in the right context...
If that scene featured adult Shinobu, Nisemonogatari would be legendary. lol
And yeah, I can see why they chose that way to present her and I loved how talkative she was, but it remains a fact that she had such a body and she was naked in the bathroom. It was really uncomfortable to watch, even though I love Shinobu's smug personality.
And yeah, I can see why they chose that way to present her and I loved how talkative she was, but it remains a fact that she had such a body and she was naked in the bathroom. It was really uncomfortable to watch, even though I love Shinobu's smug personality.
Cornbread78
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That animated scene is a lot less disturbing than the fanart online. I tried searching for that adult Shinobu pick earlier and run into some extremely uncomfortable hand drawn pictures online.... like, WTF is wrong with people...
MetroidPrimeRib
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Too bad adult Shinobu (not KSAOHUB) won't show up after Tsuki anymore
Oh well at least there's Kizu
Oh well at least there's Kizu
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