People should fucking complain so that the message is crystal clear to Microsoft, whether they decide to shift their policy or not. Living in uncertainty doesn't mean we should just wait for the shitty announcement that's coming. I think pre-emptively voicing concerns is a good thing.
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PA Report - The Xbox One will kill used games, that's good
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People should fucking complain so that the message is crystal clear to Microsoft, whether they decide to shift their policy or not. Living in uncertainty doesn't mean we should just wait for the shitty announcement that's coming. I think pre-emptively voicing concerns is a good thing.
frankthurk
Member
Also a preposterous analogy, your example is akin to charging for someone coming over to your house and watching you play the game, or even playing it at your house.
Consumer has 'x' amount of money to spend on games, with the used game example some amount 'y' goes to Gamestop instead of the game makers. There's no way to make the math of that good for the game makers, I can see an argument for it being good for consumers, but not game makers.
So you've never borrowed a DVD off of someone? You've never gone to someone else's house and watched Netflix?
Your argument makes no fucking sense.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
You know, I was going to type out an entire post debunking that ludicrous article, but to hell with it. The author clearly has no grasp of how economics work.
They couldn't have contributed to it?
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
I really hope more people can understand this. The big game publishers created a completely unsustainable business model, and now the customers are going to pay for it.
Yeah, looking back on it, it's not great. It's still better than his. *shrugs* There are plenty of other examples in the thread, though.
This was my PS2 library, more or less, especially back during the days when Atlus did not do reprints as often as they do now, driving up the prices for new copies to obscene levels. Finding that one used copy of SMT:N when I did was a miracle. Got me into buying more games new from them, even if it was to prevent that situation from happening again.
VivaciousSoul
Member
The first thing that came to mind upon reading this is giving up freedom and rights for security.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Agreed. Anyone who thinks Microsoft's pricing of a game exchange would be fair is delusional.
Ace Harding
Member
I agree with your first paragraph. I'm 31 and paid the Square Tax.
Not seeing your points on the rest though. Why are you taking out market pressure factors? There's a PS4, Steam, other PC DD sites, and Wii U. Microsoft can't close their system to the market. If Microsoft sells games digitally for $60 and never drops the price, I won't buy my games there.
My point is that if this works - and I think it could - I am on board. If it doesn't work and Microsoft's prices are higher than they are anywhere else, Microsoft is going to have a lot of trouble selling games.
Paying taxes also contributed. No taxes for game publishers!
Whether or not used games contributed, hurting consumers is not a solution consumers should embrace.
its not a bribe, its simply aligning yourself with the people who pay the money, in this case game company market depts. It happens in all advertising based media btw. You don't piss off major advertisers, period.
SneakySneaks
Member
Eh. I bought Saint's Row used and then got 2 and 3 at launch when I otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
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Deleted member 20415
Unconfirmed Member
Remember his name, it's Ben Kuchera - don't let him off easily.
I happen to think he's a dope, for far more than this article. Grandstanding writer who fashions himself as a bastion of journalism. His writing is loaded with righteous indignation and proclamations.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
It's funny how some anti-used games defenders call other people entitled, when pretty much every other single product that humans create works exactly just like games. You buy something, you own it, and you can borrow it or sell it.
I guess somehow games really are special.
You don't know and you're claiming it could be a possibility. In order for you to claim this, you must provide evidence of such a claim. All I've heard from you is conjecture and speculation, hardly grounds to make excuses.
Contributed; not outright. Do you think that publishers have no right to protect their IP? I think, with the way things are done currently, that they sell a game and others profit off of it. Maybe that is why the price is high for games? If they commit to lowering it wouldn't more people be on board?
The other reason to be concerned about this is you can bet your ass the credit you get for "trading in" your licenses is almost assuredly going to be just that -- credit for future digital purchases. At least with Gamestop, Ebay or Craigslist, the seller has the option to get back some cash if they're in a pinch.
There is no scenario at all where this is good for consumers and it isn't going to help publishers. People will just play fewer games.
There is no scenario at all where this is good for consumers and it isn't going to help publishers. People will just play fewer games.
everybody does. this issue isn't about that. It is about losing consumer rights to fatten the bottom line of corporations like EA and Microsoft.
phosphor112
Banned
BAHAHAHA
Because we can always trust the big corporations in the help of consumer rights and such?
Thank you.
Ben is living in fucking Candyland if he believes any if that shit. So just because they're forcing the issue to block games, that all if the sudden means cheaper games and more sales similar to Steam? What?! That completely defeats the purpose TO MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY.
There are full games available right now for download on XBL & PSN. Why haven't they debuted with competitive prices or gone on sale like their pc counterparts?
Article is maddening and makes him look dense at best. And I really like him as a writer. He's wrong here though on all fronts - even piracy.
bigwinnerx
Member
This proposed solution to the illness (piracy) is going to end up killing the host (video games).
That happens all the time; I never claimed it DID contribute.
Dragon said:
No, not how it works for thinking something could possibly have happened.
SolidSnakex
Member
Perhaps, but this is what really killed them
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-thq-details-full-extent-of-udraw-disaster
Publishers want to continue blaming used games instead of looking at their own screwups.
StopMakingSense
Member
Do you even know the main event that led to THQ's closing?
I never said it was outright; I'm suggesting that used games played a rather tiny role in THQ's death, or the death of any publisher/developer this gen. Budgets that required sales that weren't possible without full media saturation (which, in turn, digs an even bigger hole to climb out of) are what killed them.
Used games are an easy scapegoat for publishers to latch onto since they can rightfully claim that they had no hand in them.
They do. This has absolutely nothing to do with used games though.
BlastProcessing
Member
Actually, under the currently understood Xbox One system, you only have those rights as long as your Xbox can phone home. The day that Microsoft pulls the plug on those servers all you games evaporate.
Plenty of other industries play nice with The First Sale Doctrine, don't see how it's impossible for Video Games to.
Square Triangle
Member
Hahahah. Okay.
If they lower prices on games, stop nickel and diming to make a buck and bring out more games is that so bad? Nobody knows, but if they did these things I would support it. If they dicked us over and just kept raking profits then yeah, fuck them.
xbone: no indies, all games require publishers.
Huh? Alan Wake is 5 bucks on XBL right now. How is that not a competitive price?
rain elbows
Member
Ben's credibility -
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faceless007
Member
What could possibly make you think there is any hope whatsoever of them halting those business practices next gen?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Used games have been around forever. Only an idiot would budget his company based on revenue that he hasn't got and will never get.
Right on the nose.
Go back and look up all the articles written over the last 5 years about how Steam almost single handedly saved PC gaming. While it's not as easy to pirate on the consoles as it is on PC, it is really just a speed bump. And once you have a doctored console, why spend any money on legit games at all?
Anyway, it is too bad it came to this, but it was only a matter of time. People will cry, but the market pricing will correct itself to reflect the inability of people to steal games.
Again, look at PC gaming, which is currently the healthiest it has been in DECADES. The Steam model works, which is why we're getting it on consoles. If Microsoft/Sony give us the ability to resell our game licenses, all the better.
Less competition doesn't lead to lower prices.
Bend over, you're about to get XBONED.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Yay! You mean they'll still let me play the game I bought! Nothing to see here folks...
Except for the loss of the ability to sell, trade, and lend the game I bought to other people. You know, the way it works with every other physical media known to man.
If they had an incentive to do so.
Zombie James
Banned
Don't forget Goozex.
XxHANNERxX
Banned
The difference, in my eyes anyway, is that if you lend your car to your buddy and he really wants after giving it back it then he has to buy one.
On the other hand, you lend a game to a friend say for a week, and he beats it, he has no incentive to go and purchase the game for himself. He has already enjoyed the benefits of the game for free, why would he then go out and buy it. Some will, but most will not.
In the end, you believe one way, I believe another. I don't hate on you or anyone else for seeing it that way. If you feel that strongly about it, nothing I say is going to convince you, and vice versa. I enjoy discussion with or without changing someone's opinion.
The difference, in my eyes anyway, is that if you lend your car to your buddy and he really wants after giving it back it then he has to buy one.
On the other hand, you lend a game to a friend say for a week, and he beats it, he has no incentive to go and purchase the game for himself. He has already enjoyed the benefits of the game for free, why would he then go out and buy it. Some will, but most will not.
In the end, you believe one way, I believe another. I don't hate on you or anyone else for seeing it that way. If you feel that strongly about it, nothing I say is going to convince you, and vice versa. I enjoy discussion with or without changing someone's opinion.
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