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Pachter: FUSE will sell 5m copies or higher
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Baron_Calamity
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Maybe he was thinking about the initial version of Fuse? It did look a lot more appealing when it was first shown.
Your still a nice guy Pachter
Just one more dot to an obvious pattern.
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Messofanego
Banned
Plus they're both GAFers, so can't insult them too much!
Majukun
Member
isn' he paid by GT too ?
mercenar1e
Member
How much
hbkajshdvfbkjhvgkahsgdfka
Member
You've done it again Pachter... another thread about you.
You really should stop handing out material like this.
A thread from 4 months ago.
That's not what he "whined" about. He just said he was shocked at how little most posters knew about how the industry operated. He never said anything about predictions.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Not shocking that he was wrong on this.
I know he talks to folks and all that but even he could have seen the lukewarm reception and lack of hype this game had.
Nothing against Insomniac but I'm not sure why they took the chance on this type of game as their first big multiplatform game.
I know he talks to folks and all that but even he could have seen the lukewarm reception and lack of hype this game had.
Nothing against Insomniac but I'm not sure why they took the chance on this type of game as their first big multiplatform game.
He already said he doesn't know much about the industry
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60766497&postcount=1
..... Uh
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60766497&postcount=1
..... Uh
Hot Coldman
Banned
It's the new Codemasters racing game.
No one even knows this game exists. They'll be lucky if they get 300k.
Ashler
Member
A thread from 4 months ago.
Well, it couldn't be confirmed any earlier.
... also, 4 months? (mm/dd? i'm EU :/)
yes, please.
Pachter's job isn't prediction, it is analysis and guidance, and unless you are paying Wedbush [btw, Barron's-Zacks ranked Wedbush Research as the Top Stock Picking Firm for 1H 2012], you aren't getting any of that. His public opinions are just opinions. And it is interesting when he posts.
IIRC he only predicted success for Fuse because the Resistance series sold fairly wwell.
scar tissue
Banned
And to think that this guy actually gets paid to make predictions about the industry.
do people even read any of the thread before posting?
edit: he doesn't get paid for prediction. kreskin.gif
Punkster_NY
Member
I love how everyone knows for certain when they haven't even bought a copy themselves. Do me a favor gaf and STFU.
That none of us are even considering buying a copy is one of many reasons we think this thing is a total bomb.
There is literally no hype for this game in ANY circle.
ebullientprism
Member
A prediction like this is kind of the problem the industry has at large. I imagine they get analysts and business guys who have little knowledge about video games to look at the data they get from focus test groups. The data tells them that the game is ticking all the right boxes (co op, shooter, "mature", XP progression system etc) that the biggest group of gamers like, so it seems logical that it would be a big hit.
I imagine its the same trap SE fell in with TR. It was ticking all the right boxes (Scripted events, XP progression, collectables, cover based combat, shooting mechanics, MP with streaks and classes etc) that the 10 million selling games tick. Which in turn leads them to believe that it should also sell the same number. So they bet the house on it.
Anyone who actually plays video games could have told them it was a bad idea. But I imagine if you are a high up corporate guy its an easy mistake to make.
I imagine its the same trap SE fell in with TR. It was ticking all the right boxes (Scripted events, XP progression, collectables, cover based combat, shooting mechanics, MP with streaks and classes etc) that the 10 million selling games tick. Which in turn leads them to believe that it should also sell the same number. So they bet the house on it.
Anyone who actually plays video games could have told them it was a bad idea. But I imagine if you are a high up corporate guy its an easy mistake to make.
Cept I'm pretty sure Tomb Raider is now the highest selling game in the franchise, Square-Enix just more or less called it profitable and hinted at sequels.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I was going to say maybe 5 million in 5 years but then I remembered the generation is ending soon so like, 5 million in 30 years.
And he also stated that this is a departure from the games that Insomniac usually makes, so it could be uncertain. If people are going to take him to task, then let's at least examine his prediction.
Fair enough. But how many people here feel they can do his job? I bet there are many and most would be wrong.
Diddy Kong
Banned
fixed that for you my man.
POWERSPHERE
Member
Game with a generic name bombs. Amazing.
ElRenoRaven
Member
The GAF documentary thing holds true here. Cliffy said it himself GAF is the hardcore the ones that you have to get on your side. Insomniac and EA didn't do that with Fuse. When you have people that even upon playing the demo and go damn this is bland as hell, you have a huge problem. Hell even Bulletstorm got more people interested in it and it wasn't exactly super original either. This coming from someone that loved that game mind you.
While they're not supposed to demos sell the game. Let's be honest about that. They can put up the disclaimer that this is unfinished gameplay all they want but that doesn't matter to those playing that demo. As a result if your demo makes people say meh it's generic then you have problems. That was one of many many things that hurt this game's sales. You don't have to be a paid professional to have seen it coming. You don't.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
There's a laundry list of examples it's actually much, much harder to find times when he's correct with his outrageous claims. If I were a betting man I certainly wouldn't put them on Patcher's predictions. Good thing this is his "hobby".
Other than a few words here on GAF, I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about this game. I noticed a review of it now on a site, which gave it 3 out of 6. This seems to have very little marketing, and also new IP. Which rarely give big sales. Expecting 5 mil. of this game is too much. It will be lucky to get half of that.
I don't really understand how you separate the two though. Both are predicting trends. And he's not terribly good at any trends. His 360 holiday predictions from a number of years ago (before he started populating gaf) were pretty horrendous. I think his trends (especially NPD) have gotten much better since he started hanging around gaf.
I guess if he's just plotting out past trends, you can't screw that up. But I don't know why they'd require a high salaried position to do that. Seems an intern could research past numbers and chart them up.
Anyways, more power to him. I doubt there are few here who would turn down six figures to do what he's doing. And what he lacks in insightful predictions, he makes up for with likeable personality.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
His job is predictions. He doesn't lose his job if he's wrong.
CielTynave
Member
Then they'd be off to a good start.
That they couldn't do his job and would be worse at it than him? How is that a good start?
Again, take his predictions to task, no issues there. Just post the entirety of his comment and don't cherry pick.CielTynave
Member
That they couldn't do his job and would be worse at it than him? How is that a good start?
They'd just be replicating him rather than be a better replacement.
Templar_Dante
Banned
Go home, Pachter.
You're drunk. . .
or as usual, clueless.
You're drunk. . .
or as usual, clueless.
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