la flama blanca
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At it's core it's all bullshit, but the man makes his money by working hard on that bullshit.
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Pachter on Wii U, Next-gen, CoD, Activision and more.
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Canis lupus
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Pachter full of bullshit as usual. HDDs are one of the few things MS/Sony can cheapen out on, and he expects 2TB models?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You know nothing, Michael Pachter.
Graphics Horse
Member
We probably will at some point, assuming they're still using HDD at all.
New PS3s are 0.5TB disc or 12GB flash.
The perfect Dark
Banned
He must be a vey poor guy
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Well, a few weeks ago when he praised Wii U I was hesitant to believe it would be successful.
Now that he's trashed it I'm pretty sure it's a guaranteed success.
Also, a HUGE LOL at the PS4/MS consoles having 2 TB hard drives.
Now that he's trashed it I'm pretty sure it's a guaranteed success.
Also, a HUGE LOL at the PS4/MS consoles having 2 TB hard drives.
Thing is though, third parties usually have control over what to announce and when themselves.
Maybe Nintendo is trying to control things at this point, but if there's some hidden groundswell of third party support behind Wii U, I think they might realise fairly soon that it's time to let third parties get on with it.
Castor Krieg
Banned
All his points have some merit:
1. WiiU - nothing points out that is is going to be any different than Wii. Hardcore gamers are waiting for PS4/next Xbox. WiiU will be sustained and build on Nintendo IPs due to vast difference in graphics between the consoles.
2. CoD - a very frank assessment. A large group of people plays CoD fanatically, yet they are paying only $60 for the base game. Although Pachter did not comment on CoD Elite, which is probably bringing a lot of revenues.
3. DLC - right again, marginal at best. The speed most gamers are going through the titles makes DLC useless for most of them - what good is DLC for you if you sold the game 3 months ago? X360 DLC on Skyrim is particulary a striking example of doing things wrongly - most X360 players sold Skyrim long time ago, whereas all PC gamers have it, since it is Steamworks. I'm sure Steam activity logs for the beginning of January will be many times that of X360 Dragonborn.
1. WiiU - nothing points out that is is going to be any different than Wii. Hardcore gamers are waiting for PS4/next Xbox. WiiU will be sustained and build on Nintendo IPs due to vast difference in graphics between the consoles.
2. CoD - a very frank assessment. A large group of people plays CoD fanatically, yet they are paying only $60 for the base game. Although Pachter did not comment on CoD Elite, which is probably bringing a lot of revenues.
3. DLC - right again, marginal at best. The speed most gamers are going through the titles makes DLC useless for most of them - what good is DLC for you if you sold the game 3 months ago? X360 DLC on Skyrim is particulary a striking example of doing things wrongly - most X360 players sold Skyrim long time ago, whereas all PC gamers have it, since it is Steamworks. I'm sure Steam activity logs for the beginning of January will be many times that of X360 Dragonborn.
Tylahedras
Banned
"This multiplayer thing being free was a mistake. I don't think anybody ever envisioned it would be this big. It's a mistake because it keeps those people from buying and playing other games.”
This statement confuses me. So he's saying that it's a mistake to sell the game for 60$ because those people aren't pumping enough money into the industry?
I mean what the hell does activision care if you only buy one game a year so long as it's their game? (on a side note I find it hilarious my spelling auto-correct wants to replace "activision" with "vivisection," seems strangely appropriate)
This statement confuses me. So he's saying that it's a mistake to sell the game for 60$ because those people aren't pumping enough money into the industry?
I mean what the hell does activision care if you only buy one game a year so long as it's their game? (on a side note I find it hilarious my spelling auto-correct wants to replace "activision" with "vivisection," seems strangely appropriate)
Tallshortman
Member
lol Activision will get eaten alive by the market if they try to make Bungie's game's MP subscription based. I almost want them to just to see Activision eat some just humble pie but I'd rather not see Bungie get screwed.
CrashPrime
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Dude directly contradicts himself when he says the COD guys are spending $60/year ... then goes on to talk about how huge DLC is.
Newsflash, COD moves a lot of DLC. A lot.
Newsflash, COD moves a lot of DLC. A lot.
grimshawish
Banned
I still say not to trust an analyst who tells you EVERYTHING FOR FREE.
This comment highlights it perfectly, Pachter is trying to get the market to think Nintendo having good sales or any green shoots means nothing.
Its bollocks. People will not keep buying consoles they don't play.
How many times have we heard the 'hardcore will keep buying' line from him? For how many years?
Ignore this man, hes playing the game.
The man makes his money off these 'reports' but gives them away for free? I. CALL. BULLSHIT.
GANGSTERKILLER
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2 TB, haha. Dream on Pachter.
Randolph Freelander
Member
I can't make out if he's calling COD a failure because Activision didn't make subscription money off of it (nevermind annualized game and DLC costs), or if it is a failure because the lack of a subscription model didn't force people to buy other games (why? to avoid the subscription? and this helps COD somehow?), or what. Nevermind that these market variables do not exist in a vacuum.
I suppose context is key.
I suppose context is key.
This is a great opportunity for someone to start saving all of his crazy comments since this marks the start of a new home console generation. Then we can determine how inaccurate he has been with an annual report. If I remember to, I'll try to start saving the big ones like these.
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Deleted member 22576
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At some point definitely. The 360 went from 20 to 500, right?
I'm just not sure about launch.
ChĂ» Totoro
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Can we replace the Junior status by "Pachter" please.
Almost everything he says is irrelevant.
Almost everything he says is irrelevant.
ElRenoRaven
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Well I can already tell that he's wrong about the Activision Bungie one because it's Bungie's call and not Activisions. So that's one that's for sure wrong.
It is different,the gamepad is not the 'waggle' of it's time.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
how many map packs have you bought
LordMuffin
Member
At this point I'm just sorry he didn't come out and say 'We'll neversee Bravely Default outside Japan' so I could pump my hopes high
A few truly insane bits aside (Activision related stuff) it really does sound more plausible inverting it. I'd love 2 TB hard drives in the next consoles, but it'd figure if they saw that flash memory were cheap enough, nodded, and stuck with that only on board with hard drives optional, similar to Wii U (but hopefully with a dock to store them in).
shinobi602
Member
None.
He must not remember how much HD prices went up after the shortage before he opened his mouth on that one. Somewhere in the area 160-250 GB is reasonable provided we have the option to add our own external or internal storage. Might as well add $50-75 to the console price if the manufactuers pulled a move like that or eat a big loss.
blizzardjesus
Banned
2T to hold all those 40GB+Games.
Honestly Im frightened of the rumors of each game coming with an CD Key code. That is something that would make me give up on any format that supports that.
Honestly Im frightened of the rumors of each game coming with an CD Key code. That is something that would make me give up on any format that supports that.
Elite is free now, which tells me it wasn't the success that Activision thought it would be.
I agree with him that 3rd party support on Wii U will probably be terribly bad. That's hardly a difficult prediction, though, but sadly the pretty obvious reality.
Most publishers/developers are about to start development on next-gen plattforms, which probably will heavily outclass the Wii U. At the same time, it's just not worth the effort to get used to the Wii U architecture for the very last generation of current-gen games when most publishers would drop the support in 2014 anyway when they change over to pushing next-gen games.
Nintendo wanted to get better 3rd party support with the Wii U, but at this point I'm not sure if it'll at least get better effort than the Wii back in the day.
Most publishers/developers are about to start development on next-gen plattforms, which probably will heavily outclass the Wii U. At the same time, it's just not worth the effort to get used to the Wii U architecture for the very last generation of current-gen games when most publishers would drop the support in 2014 anyway when they change over to pushing next-gen games.
Nintendo wanted to get better 3rd party support with the Wii U, but at this point I'm not sure if it'll at least get better effort than the Wii back in the day.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This right here.
Castor Krieg
Banned
And? The difference between WiiU and next-gen consoles will be striking, by all accounts. Yes, you could probably port it with significant downgrade in IQ, however tell me this - what hardcore gamer would buy it, knowing it runs much better on other consoles? As a result the people who will own a WiiU will be exactly the same as the ones who own Wii: a. they love Nintendo franchises; b. WiiU will be their secondary console.
Then Pachter is right, although indirectly - CoD is too feature-packed, which makes Elite redundant. If Activision has their way MP will be priced separately.
walking fiend
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That doesn't necessarilysay much; PS2 had overwhelmingly better games compared to the 360 in 2005 and comparable support in 2006; however, the difference now is that Wii U is not going to get ports from PC, which considered almost all the important games 360 had
PS2 games with MC over 85
From 2005
Resident Evil 4
God of War
Guitar Hero
Shadow of the Colossus
World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International
Burnout Revenge
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
NBA Street V3
Gran Turismo 4
Madden NFL 06
Tekken 5
Fight Night Round 2
NCAA Football 06
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
MVP Baseball 2005
SoulCalibur III
We Love Katamari
Psychonauts
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
From 2006
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
Okami
Final Fantasy XII
Guitar Hero II
Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition
Bully
NCAA Football 07
Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan
Kingdom Hearts II
Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition Remix
360 games with MC over 85
from 2005
Call of Duty 2
Project Gotham Racing 3
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved
Dead or Alive 4
From 2006
Gears of War
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Burnout Revenge
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
Fight Night Round 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent
Dead Rising
F.E.A.R.
I wouldn't mind cd-keys if the games cost the same as PC games...
Yeah, thats never going to happen.
why do i click
every time, when it's a pachter thread, i click, and i dont know why
I think his observations about DLC not being the industry's saving grace are correct, though. It helps the big games through sheer volume, but probably produces barely a blip on the financials of mid- and low-tier selling games.
every time, when it's a pachter thread, i click, and i dont know why
I think his observations about DLC not being the industry's saving grace are correct, though. It helps the big games through sheer volume, but probably produces barely a blip on the financials of mid- and low-tier selling games.
doniewhalberg
Member
I think it would just make me pull the trigger and switch fully over to PC. The money I save on renting is the only thing keeping me hanging on with consoles.