SatelliteOfLove
Member
It's at least in the realm of possibility now.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Pachter thinks Xbox One will now sell as many units as PS4
- Thread starter Canis lupus
- Start date
COD, BF4 have exclusive content for the Xbox One, plus the 360 versions of COD and BF sold better and had a bigger community. That is huge; why are they going to jump to Sony when the online infrastructure they enjoy is in place and now there is no DRM?
Bud... i think you should wait for TGS and Gamescom lol
Stone Ocean
Member
The planet where Wii U isn't selling at all besides having a head start and doesn't look like it'll change anytime soon?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I highly doubt that is going to happen, especially since PS4 will most likely offer most of the same games, more powerful specifications and will be cheaper.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
I think they've still lost a good chunk of the early adopter set ( read us) with the price point and backlash over policies.
Hardcore is hardcore though and anyone expecting to get both at launch probably will do so. Long term it's anyone's rodeo but for me it comes down to price, 1st part exclusives, and streaming to Vita
Hardcore is hardcore though and anyone expecting to get both at launch probably will do so. Long term it's anyone's rodeo but for me it comes down to price, 1st part exclusives, and streaming to Vita
Krisprolls
Banned
MS has Ryse the QTE fest, there was hardly anything to get excited about on the gameplay side... Yay, new shooters.
90 % of the games are the same, they're multi and the best version will be on PS4.
A less powerful machine with a less valuable online subscription at a 100$ higher price point ? Count me in !
90 % of the games are the same, they're multi and the best version will be on PS4.
A less powerful machine with a less valuable online subscription at a 100$ higher price point ? Count me in !
Rhazer Fusion
Member
It's not selling too well now, why would it start selling well when the PS4 and XBox One materialize unless they significantly drop the price and release some high profile games on it at that time.
Not a chance worldwide, but a possibility for NA. I'm flipping back and forth on the implications of $399 vs $499. On one hand, in this market the $399 should really help drive sales. Another line of thinking suggests that people are fools and always believe a more expensive piece of hardware is better and justifies the purchase.
Because it's $100 cheaper, and no amount of timed exclusive DLC will make up for that.
The Wii and PS2 were the successes they were because they had perceived value, and the same was true of the 360 for a long time when it was measured against the PS3.
I genuinely believe a lot if people are seriously underestimating just how much of an advantage the $100 difference is.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I guess you missed the fact that the Wii U has a 3.5 million lead already and that the XBO is going to have supply constraints. But lets ignore that becase "lol Nintendo" right? Xbox 360 sold ~5 million units in its first six months, and that was without DRM backlash, always on Kinect or a $500 price point. Even if MS matched last gens initial output, do you really think Nintendo isn't going to sell more than 1.5 million Wii U's in a year?
Well, I owned a PSX, Dreamcast and PS2 but while I owned them all I did most of my gaming on PC. When 360 came out, for various reasons (like going away to uni and having less time money and patience for PC gaming) I swapped to doing most of my gaming on consoles.
So I don't really look at the PS2 as a 'golden age' (full disclosure, I also do not enjoy Japanese games very much).
This gen has seen a lot of incorrigible bullshit. Because no one console curbstomped. the Console Warz have been generally horrible. The fact that multiplatforms have been virtually identical gave us pixel counting and all that kind of miserable horseshit. I ended up buying two consoles, so over the same length it has cost me slightly more
Uno Venova
Banned
how much more does those games sell on 360 compared to ps3? i always saw the online numbers being similar, and big enough to not really matter which has more.
Maastricht
Member
If PS4 and 360 go toe-to-toe in the US in the first year, that's good progress for Sony, as it was 2:1 last gen. I don't believe that Microsoft could lose that advantage too easily - they were already catching up on Sony in the US before the 360 came out, and Sony was already much more dominating in Europe by the end of the last-gen lifecycle. The trend for both of these positions carried over into next gen, helped by Sony's pricing problems and Xbox online service domination (no doubt helped by giving Gold accounts to the press for free).
The price difference is going to help Sony a lot in Europe, but on the other hand, if Kinect turns out really good, and works in small livingrooms, then that could be a big plus in Europe as well (who seem more receptive to such things).
The price difference is going to help Sony a lot in Europe, but on the other hand, if Kinect turns out really good, and works in small livingrooms, then that could be a big plus in Europe as well (who seem more receptive to such things).
This post just made me look up Kinect sales thinking they were only around the 8m mark and fuck me, I didn't realise it had sold 24m units. Leads me to believe that maybe a lot of the more casual, family oriented market might actually see the additional Kinect 2 worth the extra $100.
Not in any dimension was the OG Xbox closing in on PS2. Like anywhere
360 sold roughly as much as the PS3 in Europe.
ThatStupidLion
Member
this just means once the xbo are in peoples hands they can swap policies again!
fluffydelusions
Member
Is it still region locked?
Continental Europe? Really?
nope. Most surprising announcement for me
Hi i'm Caleb
Member
If it meets expectations = keep kinect bundled in
If it fails to meet expectations = Release it without kinect and drop price $100.
If it fails to meet expectations = Release it without kinect and drop price $100.
No
*Beaten
I'm curious as to what launch sales will be. The Xbox 360 was coming off a relatively poor selling original Xbox.
The Xbox One is coming off a pretty successful system. Should be fun.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
As far as I know, MS isn't launching in Japan. That alone should give an edge in gobal sales to Sony.
Then I'm pretty sure that PS4 will dominate in Europe. Maybe he's talking about US sales in which he may be right.
Then I'm pretty sure that PS4 will dominate in Europe. Maybe he's talking about US sales in which he may be right.
Adding to that however they are attending TGS
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Microsoft was cheaper and had the earlier install base advantage. Sony will have that this time...so I'm not seeing where Microsoft just randomly catches up despite being behind on supply and price.
travisbickle
Member
Wow, Microsoft ponied up for exclusive content! Do we know what it is yet? Is it exclusive missions,? multiplayer maps? or exclusive skins?
He said main land EU and he is right. The UK carried the 360 in Europe. This time around that is not going to happen. The thing is pretty much the price of the PS3 in the UK. MS is going to get trounced in Europe this time around. Even worse many over there are pissed that a lot of the reason for the high price TV stuff won't even work for them.
Best case for MS they eek out a win in the US but lose in the rest of the world 3 to 1. Getting rid of the DRM was great but the thing still is way over priced outside the US. If they want to price cut to same level as PS4 they would have a fighting chance.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
PlanetSmasher
Banned
This is pretty much exactly why I hate this gen so much. The industry is split so many ways that nobody can focus on just making good games anymore - they have to focus on appealing to so many different demographics and userbases that every game just feels the same.
When I say a "resurgence of the PS2 gen", I mean a generation where there's one leading console that everyone develops for, not necessarily just a console infested with Japanese games (though I would love it if consoles DID have more JP games, to be honest). Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like if we had a clear winner, some of the anti-consumer bullshit (moneyhats, timed exclusives, exclusive DLC, lowest-common-denominator multiplatform development) that has infested this generation so horribly would be a little less prominent.
I'm not holding my breath. A bunch of new IP announcements probably won't do much for me after a game with a title as interesting as The Order: 1886 ended up being a shooter.
It had a 14 month head start and a £150 price difference and it beat the PS3 in one market, incidentally the one with closest ties to the US.
If the PS4 isn't the best selling console across Europe with a lower price then Sony are really going to have done something incredibly bad. It would be pathetic.
WHAT?? The Order is not a shooter. It's 3rd person action adventure
Well guess who will have bigger COD and BF communities to start this generation? It won't be MS because of major supply issues. By the time it is fixed those games will be old news or anyone who wanted to play them will have done them else where.
Delusibeta
Banned
Patcher confirms that the Xbone is still dead on arrival.
PanicFreak
Member
The Xbox One is going to be a major bottleneck for the PS4 so I wouldn't expect many games to look drastically better on the PS4.
Plus, isn't the version with the most content the "best version"?
They have essentially the same CPU, the GPU advantage isn't a bottleneck at all. It's only capable of basically the same games looking better anyway.
Yellowflashdude
Member
THIS!
People are only looking at the quantity. Exclusives dont mean anything when they are filled with kinect games and ryse.
something fishy
Member
already noticing a change since last night though.
Mad Bowser
Banned
Yeah. Pachter also thinks that Microsoft is prepared to cut Xbox One price in 2014 if it doesn't keep pace with PS4.
something fishy
Member
neither have exclusives that interest me massively though kz is a bit of a bore so xb probably beats it. The strongest stuff all looks stuff I can get on pc though so I've decided to get neither and wait a year, see what happens.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Which means "shooter, with occasional non-shooting elements". And the Order teaser definitely made it look co-op focused as well, which means I'm even less interested than I would've been if it was SP-only. This isn't the thread to talk about that though.
3rdamention
Member
"We are confident that with six months of focused messaging"
Ok, this comment bothers me. When are they going to start their focused messaging? Think of everything they have talked about up to this point, that has all changed. Their focus has changed, what they have tried to convince us about, has changed.
When they revealed the Xbox One, they had to defend the TV, TV, TV, but nothing like they had to defend their DRM and Used Game Schemes. Then, they finally released their official DRM and Used Game Policies at E3, and had to defend them like crazy. Think of all the time since the Xbox Reveal and during E3, that they had to use to convince us why we needed an always online console, why we shouldn't be able to trade our games, why Family Sharing is going to be so awesome.
Then they had to further explain Family Sharing, how it works, they spent days on that. Now, here we are, a week later, and all of the original messages are wadded up in the trash can.
Everything they have tried to convince us we needed, Online System, Non Consumer DRM, Family Sharing, has been changed and tossed out. All the time they have had to communicate with us, persuade us to buy an Xbox One, was spent on all these other policies and features that no longer exist.
I have zero confidence in Microsoft getting a focused message out, not with them scrambling the way they appear to be. Changing things in reaction to Sony (Now Xbox Live has 2 free games a month, almost exactly like PS+, now Xbox One has the same DRM and Used Game policies as PS4) is taking up way too much of their time.
Microsoft has missed so much time to sell the Xbox One. They were spending their man hours on features and restrictions that they changed under pressure. I don't believe they have a main focus anymore and their lack of focus is going to kill them, in my opinion , during launch.
Ok, this comment bothers me. When are they going to start their focused messaging? Think of everything they have talked about up to this point, that has all changed. Their focus has changed, what they have tried to convince us about, has changed.
When they revealed the Xbox One, they had to defend the TV, TV, TV, but nothing like they had to defend their DRM and Used Game Schemes. Then, they finally released their official DRM and Used Game Policies at E3, and had to defend them like crazy. Think of all the time since the Xbox Reveal and during E3, that they had to use to convince us why we needed an always online console, why we shouldn't be able to trade our games, why Family Sharing is going to be so awesome.
Then they had to further explain Family Sharing, how it works, they spent days on that. Now, here we are, a week later, and all of the original messages are wadded up in the trash can.
Everything they have tried to convince us we needed, Online System, Non Consumer DRM, Family Sharing, has been changed and tossed out. All the time they have had to communicate with us, persuade us to buy an Xbox One, was spent on all these other policies and features that no longer exist.
I have zero confidence in Microsoft getting a focused message out, not with them scrambling the way they appear to be. Changing things in reaction to Sony (Now Xbox Live has 2 free games a month, almost exactly like PS+, now Xbox One has the same DRM and Used Game policies as PS4) is taking up way too much of their time.
Microsoft has missed so much time to sell the Xbox One. They were spending their man hours on features and restrictions that they changed under pressure. I don't believe they have a main focus anymore and their lack of focus is going to kill them, in my opinion , during launch.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Exclusive content for BF4 isn't huge. Any of it that isn't a timed exclusive will also be a throw away. I don't know the CoD fanbase, can't speak for that. I do know the BF fanbase.
I think the one-eighty has a good chance for parity in the US, now. Brand loyalty alone should manage that in spite of the price/power difference. I don't see it doing near as well in the rest of the world, where their brand isn't near as strong.
Sony has exclusive content for Ubisoft games as well. Also I don#t think it matters. here in Germany PS3 versions of both those games outsell the 360 one. Most people don#t give a shit about timed exclusive DLC.
PS: The BF4 deal ist just the first DLC pack for some time first on Xbone. So it's nothing like the COD deal.
Pretty sure PS4 will win Australia.