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[MasterSheen]

Isn't saying Nintendo's going to "Dreamcast themselves" a bit extreme and grammatically incorrect?
That would mean the Wii U is going to have an awesome launch lineup, steady sales leading up to the release of the PS4 and Nintendo to keep making big losses, causing them to drop out of the console race and go third party. Kinda bittersweet..

 

[Clairvoyance]

Sorry, I'm not a wild fanboy here. I've been buying Nintendo since Super Mario World. And I'm talking about graphical power. If it can't keep up again, developers won't bother...again.

You mean the power than you know absolutely nothing about? Well, that actually sounds even dumber.

 

[7threst]

Well, if WiiU is going to be even remotely 'Dreamcasted' (lol), maybe there is also a new Shenmue coming...

 

[mantidor]

Masterful troll goes again, since the question was asked directly as well, masterful trolling from Destructoid, cheap way to get hits.

 

[StevieP]

Sorry, I'm not a wild fanboy here. I've been buying Nintendo since you were suckling on your mothers teat. And I'm talking about graphical power. If it can't keep up again, developers won't bother...again.

Man I wish they'd port Witcher 2 to 360.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Which part of that is factually incorrect? The SNES sold about 50 million. The N64 about 30 million. The GC barely 20 million.

meanwhile the competition (PS1, PS2) were selling 100-125 million each, despite being technologically weaker.

nintendo's franchises by themselves were not enough to sell consoles. Each generation more fans left for the competition.

Nintendo always profited on every hardware unit sold. How was their strategy unsustainable? They made money off of Gamecube.

 

[Neuromancer]

To be fair the person who wrote in was the one that used 'Dreamcast' as a verb. Pachter said if the system is comparable to the 360 in terms of graphics and power, no he doesn't think it will do well. He's just guessing based on the information we have now, which isn't a whole lot I don't think. (Although I haven't been keeping up with all the WiiU news, maybe something's changed.)

 

[lenovox1]

Sorry, I'm not a wild fanboy here. I've been buying Nintendo since you were suckling on your mothers teat. And I'm talking about graphical power. If it can't keep up again, developers won't bother...again.

Any predictions about the Wii U's hardware are completely baseless at this point. We have no solid information, there are no facts, and we can't make predictions based on hardware that hasn't released yet (and I'm talking about the next Xbox and the next PlayStation, which are in their early dev kit phases at best).

To be fair the person who wrote in was the one that used 'Dreamcast' as a verb. Pachter said if the system is comparable to the 360 in terms of graphics and power, no he doesn't think it will do well. He's just guessing based on the information we have now, which isn't a whole lot I don't think. (Although I haven't been keeping up with all the WiiU news, maybe something's changed.)

We've still got nothing.

 

[tuffy]

The Dreamcast was the home version of an arcade system from a company that had lost a lot of money on hardware for a long time.

The Wii U will not be a Dreamcast.

 

[JosephManderley]

The master troll Pachter has everyone talking about him again...

Attention puts money in his pocket.

 

[KillerMan91]

History repeats itself, just look at the whole 3DS vs. PS vita. It is like I am reading the same articles when people put down one system and praise another.

You mean those gazillion ''Vita is doomed'' articles ? Completely different situation compared to last gen when PSP was praised as sure winner of the race.

 

[Willkiller]

I think at this point it wouldn't be unfair to assume in Patcher's mind he saw both the Dreamcast and Wii U's controllers having screens in them and resigned them to the same fate based on that alone.

 

[Criminal Upper]

analyst Michael Pachter has offered his latest words of wisdom, declaring that the price of the 3DS is too low.

Pachter believes that the US price of $249.99 will result in shortages, as the handheld would seem like a bargain to customers given the capabilities of the new handheld.

He told Industry Gamer that consumers would just "scoop them all up", and that a $300 price would make more sense to them.

 

[Nilaul]

Does he get paid for all this? I would love a job where I could get paid to be wrong all the time.

Well rumor has it whatever he says the opposite will happen; so companies like Nintendo pay him for his ill-fated predictions for good fortune.

 

[ZROCOOL]

Nintendo won't go down like that. We all know this, dollar dollar bills yall.

 

[WillyFive]

Pretty sure Nintendo was making bank even during the GC era.

They were doing better than the other two.

Since they didn't sell as much as the others, people assumed they were doing badly.

You mean those gazillion ''Vita is doomed'' articles ? Completely different situation compared to last gen when PSP was praised as sure winner of the race.

That's a different dynamic. The argument back then was that the PSP would destroy the DS because it was a Playstation branded device. The argument today is that all of handheld gaming is dying because of Apple, and the Vita will be the first to go.

 

[Neuromancer]

Does he get paid for all this? I would love a job where I could get paid to be wrong all the time.

No he doesn't get paid to do the Pach Attack show, he just does it on the side for fun (I'm pretty sure).

 

[frankie_baby]

Wii u will be huge in japan, probably bigger than the wii was, the rest of the world i'm not sure yet

 

[SolarPowered]

considering the timing of release and alleged specs, it seems fair to take a wait and see approach.

really, it's Nintendo and their audience (under 18 mostly?) rarely cares about specs. Now if the games aren't there, that's a different matter.

I'll never understand this view. Some of Nintendo's most hardcore titles happen to sell (3D Mario and Smash for example) more and more units with each generation. Do people really believe that none of these millions stick with Nintendo. Does each generation fall in love with classics like SMB, DK, Metroid, OTT, SM64, Double Dash, SMG, SS and then just dump them abruptly for the latest corridor shooter?

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo has some of the oldest gaming audiences in their pockets compared to the the 360 where the oldest major title is only a decade old at best. Nintendo doesn't stock up on dedicated fans at the market like they are fruits or something...

 

[RagnarokX]

No, that came out at a proper time. This is a console coming out at THE END of a generational cycle. Not the beginning. When next-gen hits, it'll lose massive third party support. So in that aspect, yeah, it is 2006 all over again. And the controller still looks monstrous.

 

[ElFly]

Which part of that is factually incorrect? I'm ignoring the NES to SNES drop, because the NES really had no significant competition. The SNES sold about 50 million. The N64 about 30 million. The GC barely 20 million.

meanwhile the competition (PS1, PS2) were selling 100-125 million each, despite being technologically weaker.

nintendo's franchises by themselves were not enough to sell consoles. Each generation more fans left for the competition.

Do not ignore the NES -> SNES drop.

In all these cases Nintendo arrived waaay too late to the generation.

SNES getting late gave a lot of sales to the Genesis, which wouldn't recover the lost ground until after the Saturn launched and Sega instakilled their 16 bit console.

 

[The Hermit]

You are already Dreamcast.

hhahah, we totally should use dreamcast as a verb now.

 

[Neuromancer]

Pachter is the Skip Bayless of gaming, I like Pach.

I like him too. He comes across as a really friendly, jovial guy. Why people get so upset at his predictions doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[joeygreco1985]

They were doing better than the other two.



Since they didn't sell as much as the others, people assumed they were doing badly.

The DS kept that company afloat.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

No he doesn't get paid to do the Pach Attack show, he just does it on the side for fun (I'm pretty sure).

Presumably, the notoriety he gains from this kind of stuff helps in promoting his actual job. At the very least, these bombastic predictions don't hurt his marketability, as he still has a job.

 

[Coolwhip]

Why is he getting so much attention? Pachter should get as much attention as the average Nintendo doomspelling forum troll: none.

 

[markatisu]

Absolutely not. Nintendo Bled sales like crazy from SNES > N64 > GCN. 20 million in sales for the GC was certainly not sustainable. had that trend kept up, and nintendo NOT caught lightning in a bottle with the Wii, we'd likely be looking at a handheld-only nintendo by now.

No Nintendo would still be in the console game if the Wii had not done as well because the GC was turning a profit on Day 1.

With Nintendo it has never been about having the biggest e-penis, its been about making revenue. That is why all their systems are dated or "behind" when it comes to hardware.

Profit and Revenue are first and foremost, having the Wii become #1 (which in turn made said profit and revenue higher) was just icing on the cake

 

[HigherLevel]

He says this based on what?

 

[Boney]

Without knowing a damn thing I'll agree with Pachter.

well shiet

 

[Nilaul]

Nintendo always profited on every hardware unit sold. How was their strategy unsustainable? They made money off of Gamecube.

They sold gamecube at a minimal loss at at launch ... but.. it was a well thought out loss, one that they could make up easily by selling a game or two.

 

[StevieP]

With Nintendo it has never been about having the biggest e-penis, its been about making revenue. That is why all their systems are dated or "behind" when it comes to hardware.

In this thread, we revise history.

Baseless.

In this thread, we correlate hardware power with success incorrectly.

 

[Hours Left]

So the Wii U will be a totally awesome console then? Sweet.

 

[Darklord]

You mean the power than you know absolutely nothing about? Well, that actually sounds even dumber.

Any predictions about the Wii U's hardware are completely baseless at this point. We have no solid information, there are no facts, and we can't make predictions based on hardware that hasn't released yet (and I'm talking about the next Xbox and the next PlayStation, which are in their early dev kit phases at best).

Shigeru Miyamoto says that while the Wii U's hardware will be more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3, it's unlikely to be that much more powerful.

Shigeru Miyamoto

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111202-Wii-U-Power-Unlikely-to-Amaze-Says-Miyamoto


Baseless.

 

[markatisu]

The DS kept that company afloat.

I am amazed at how misinformed this statement is from a financial aspect

 

[Crash Station]

They sold gamecube at a minimal loss at at launch ... but.. it was a well thought out loss, one that they could make up easily by selling a few launch games.

Are you sure? I thought they never sold any hardware at a loss before the 3DS price drop.

 

[7threst]

The DS kept that company afloat.

Where does this come from....

 

[Criminal Upper]

He says this based on what?

Based on being super butt-hurt everything he ever said about Nintendo has been wrong time and time again.

I give him another 3 hrs before he shows up in this thread to stir the pot once more.

 

[Derrick01]

Pachter is trying the Fox News tactic of repeating bullshit so many times that it'll convince whoever's listening that he's correct.

Unfortunately for him no one's listening. And we're a bit smarter than the average Fox News viewer.

 

[goomba]

Which part of that is factually incorrect? The SNES sold about 50 million. The N64 about 30 million. The GC barely 20 million.

meanwhile the competition (PS1, PS2) were selling 100-125 million each, despite being technologically weaker.

nintendo's franchises by themselves were not enough to sell consoles. Each generation more fans left for the competition.

The argument was the Nintendo games can CARRY a console, as in survive and be profitable, not "win".

 

[KillerMan91]

No Nintendo would still be in the console game if the Wii had not done as well because the GC was turning a profit on Day 1.

With Nintendo it has never been about having the biggest e-penis, its been about making revenue. That is why all their systems are dated or "behind" when it comes to hardware.

Profit and Revenue are first and foremost, having the Wii become #1 (which in turn made said profit and revenue higher) was just icing on the cake

It made money but you really can't say how much from those graphs as Nintendo had little device called GameBoy Advance in the market at the same time that was literally printing money.

 

[Oddduck]

Team Ninja, Gearbox, and Epic have been pushing Nintendo harder to beef up their console since E3 2011. That Miyamoto interview happened during E3. A lot of things can change between then and now. Hell, the Wii U might not even be called the Wii U.

I'm not saying the Wii U will be a powerhouse in graphics, but some of you act like Wii U's graphics are going to look worse than PS3 graphics.

 

[Wyndstryker]

I am amazed at how misinformed this statement is from a financial aspect

It's amazing how many people are in denial of Nintendo's finances even when it's publicly available. Seems like even Pachter is part of that group

 

[Shining Sunshine]

It'll be a Dreamcast, minus the whole demise thing

So... a bunch of awesome games? I'm okay with this.

I think he's referring to the other way around.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Nintendo always profited on every hardware unit sold. How was their strategy unsustainable? They made money off of Gamecube.

Of course they did, but do you think that they liked being in a position where their hardware sales were dropping every generation? The GC's performance gave Nintendo a perfect reason to just try something completely different. If it "failed" it would've probably still sold enough to make a profit for them, but if it succeeded it had a chance of being something huge.

To get back to the topIC, I don't know what Pachter is going on about. They're now basically in the drivers position. They're coming out first and they're willing to throw around cash. And the biggest thing that they have going for them is that it seems like third party devs are ready to back them (on a console) for the first time since the SNES.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Sorry, I'm not a wild fanboy here. I've been buying Nintendo since you were suckling on your mothers teat. And I'm talking about graphical power. If it can't keep up again, developers won't bother...again.

At least we know there's no chance of that happening.

 

[Boogybro]

I know that once that Epic guy had something good to say about Nintendo/Wii U, that it would either be spun into a negative or that there would some more doom news before the end of the day.

Balance is restored.

 

[Neuromancer]

Nintendo always profited on every hardware unit sold. How was their strategy unsustainable? They made money off of Gamecube.

Well not the 3DS after the price drop.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Pachter is trying the Fox News tactic of repeating bullshit so many times that it'll convince whoever's listening that he's correct.

Unfortunately for him no one's listening. And we're a bit smarter than the average Fox News viewer.

Is that so? Then why does he keep getting quoted? And why do we keep getting threads here? And why do they inevitably get dozens of pages large?

 

[7threst]

Hell, the Wii U might not even be called the Wii U.

Pachter knows something...

It's now called a Dreamcast II.

 

[Manmademan]

Pretty sure Nintendo was making bank even during the GC era.

Sure they were. they had a handheld monopoly with the GBA and DS, both of which sold very well, and even the GC's they did sell were profitable.

but we're not talking PROFIT, we're talking about "can nintendo's franchises by themselves sell consoles" and the answer was clearly "no" since nintendo was selling tens of millions of consoles less every generation.

The direction they went with the wii, emphasizing motion controls to bring in a new audience was a clear indication of that.

The argument was the Nintendo games can CARRY a console, as in survive and be profitable, not "win".

and when your console is selling 20 million units when the competition is selling 120 million, that answer is "no." It's not enough to be profitable, as a company you must MAXIMIZE profit.
if the wii had ended up selling 15-20 million, while the DS and 3DS sold like gangbusters, you would see nintendo shift focus to more profitable sectors of the business- handhelds.