I guess no one here actually watched the video in which Pacther made the comment. A view asked was the Wii U going to be the next dreamcast. This was mainly in relation to power and it coming out early and not being a fully next gen machine. He then goes on to say he doesn't really know about sales of it but is doubtful how successful it will be.
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Pachter: Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast
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Barack Lesnar
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"Most" as in those who don't have Reggie Fils-Aime in their avatars.
Most perfect reply possible. Nice.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
"Most" people don't know it exists because the marketing machine has obviously not started and they've barely shown anything. Even those who do follow what has been shown can't call it Dreamcast because that's still far too little. But I guess you can call it a Dreamcast if you wanna take all the potentially negative speculation based on nothing as fact (and ignore that most of that stems from what's under the hood which clearly wasn't a huge issue for all the recent Nintendo systems in the end) and/or have a certain peculiar interest in doing that and hey, it's got a 50% chance of being right, if it ends up being such you can proclaim how you called it early alongside your man the pach and if not nobody will remember you said that by then so let the bullshit out, it's cool.
I know. If you just ignore all the positive opinions the general opinion of WiiU is quite bleak. Nintendo has their work cut out for them.
thiscoldblack
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I thought that he meant that it would be an amazing system, just like the Dreamcast...
I see.
The company dropping out of the console race is Fujitsu. The FM Towns Marty will be their last console.
Those valiant bastards are finally giving up the ghost.
I'll understand if you want to be with your family at this diffcult time.
Barack Lesnar
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RE: The above replies
The reaction to the reveal across the net seemed pretty "meh" overall. Indifference might be a good word to describe it. It certainly wasn't positive. Everything from the name to the rumored specs (leaked before the conference) to using old multi-platform 360/PS3 games in the trailer to all the confusion surrounding what it exactly was (console, add-on, what). It just wasn't a positive reveal. Not an uncommon opinion, folks.
The reaction to the reveal across the net seemed pretty "meh" overall. Indifference might be a good word to describe it. It certainly wasn't positive. Everything from the name to the rumored specs (leaked before the conference) to using old multi-platform 360/PS3 games in the trailer to all the confusion surrounding what it exactly was (console, add-on, what). It just wasn't a positive reveal. Not an uncommon opinion, folks.
Translation: I, Heavy, agree with Pachter that the Wii U is doomed.
MisterHero
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The past histories of both Sega and Nintendo are enough to know that Pachter's comparison is completely bogus. There's no speculation over what really happened, because how Nintendo has built a foundation that will make even a 3rd-place console sustainable, if not one of the most profitable (not that they plan to aim that low again).
Barack Lesnar
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What's your take on this, Dennis? Don't see you in the console threads very often.
I have no idea.
The Wii U seems underpowered for a machine designed to entice the hardcore away from next-gen Sony and MS, but......the Wii did just fine so....
Seems? We don't even know half of what's in that thing.
radioheadrule83
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We haven't seen any real games, or anything running under the final specs, we know they're working with new partners and that almost nothing in terms of exclusive software is yet revealed. We know jack shit.
The Wii U thread has had multiple iterations and hasn't left the front page in a year. The buzz is only just beginning to ramp up..
And he comes out with this. I used to be interested in what he had to say before he realised the gaming community would publish his words for him and serve as a platform for attention seeking, baiting bullshit like this.
He either wants the reactions or wants to try and tease out more information by saying something negative in the hopes that Nintendo or their partners have to respond. Either way: YAWN Michael.
This shouldn't be five pages long. He's starting to earn a reputation where it might just he worth ignoring everything he says. At least, if you're not being personally advised by him. If I were anyone in this industry, which I'm not of course, I wouldn't take advice from him about Nintendo. They clearly dumb-found him.
The Wii U thread has had multiple iterations and hasn't left the front page in a year. The buzz is only just beginning to ramp up..
And he comes out with this. I used to be interested in what he had to say before he realised the gaming community would publish his words for him and serve as a platform for attention seeking, baiting bullshit like this.
He either wants the reactions or wants to try and tease out more information by saying something negative in the hopes that Nintendo or their partners have to respond. Either way: YAWN Michael.
This shouldn't be five pages long. He's starting to earn a reputation where it might just he worth ignoring everything he says. At least, if you're not being personally advised by him. If I were anyone in this industry, which I'm not of course, I wouldn't take advice from him about Nintendo. They clearly dumb-found him.
I have heard zero rumors that would put it in the same league as the others but I would love to be pleasantly surprised.
What about IGN's ? (Which its also the only rumors that talk about the others with some specifics).
People were quite stupid at the reveal. Many didn't get that it was a new console and not just a peripheral, despite showing that it played HD games on your TV. A lot of people complained that the footage from PS360PC games looked worse than the versions of the games from the platforms the footage was taken from.
Actual responses to the controller and the demos from the media were very favorable of it. It got a good response. The negative responses were almost universally knee-jerk responses from people who decided to hate it before any info or people that don't understand capacitive touch screens aren't inherently superior.
Lord_Byron28
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The Wii/DS initial reveals were quite skeptical. The Wii's controller reveal was filled with tons of skepticism and negativity. The DS reveal was a mix of meh and doomed. Both of those did spectacular at launch and onward. The 3DS reveal was highly praised(much to my surprise) but it's launch period was rather meh.
How about we wait until we know everything before jumping to conclusions. This is coming from someone who was very unimpressed and worried with the Wii U's reveal but decided to reserve judgements until we know more information and it was close to launching.
The amount of meh and doom and gloom that surrounded the Wii U runs to the exact opposite of such positive praise of the Wii U by other third party developers shown at E3 and elsewhere including Mark Rein's recent comments about the system and thinking that Nintendo would shock everyone and that the Wii U will succeed.
Flying_Phoenix
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Yeah fits the bill.
The Wii was a massive flop. Nintendo's Japanese and American branches can't agree on anything. Third party developers are also not supporting the Wii U at all. Nintendo is also on the verge of bankruptcy.
The Wii was a massive flop. Nintendo's Japanese and American branches can't agree on anything. Third party developers are also not supporting the Wii U at all. Nintendo is also on the verge of bankruptcy.
Actually Nintendo is "D00MED" started after the release of the N64. Even when they were making more profits than their competitors. People always count them out.
It's kinda ironic now that Nintendo have made their first losses during the lifetime of their most successful console in recent times (Wii). They never made losses during the the life of the GCN and N64 - they were in profit.
SonicMegaDrive
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Schweet.
If the Wii U is even half as great as the DC was, things are definitely looking up next gen.
If the Wii U is even half as great as the DC was, things are definitely looking up next gen.
The exact same was said of the 3DS. People have always said the same thing about new console releases from Nintendo for the past ten years. But Nintendo will always be Nintendo.
Lord_Byron28
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Actually Nintendo's demise was predicted quite often during the Sega vs. Nintendo console wars during the SNES vs. Genesis days. On top of that many didn't see the NES doing well and a lot of places didn't want to carry the product due to the collapse of the videogame market before.
Also Nintendo had one bad quarter where they lost money with the GCN when they knocked the price to $99.
It's not at all ironic. These losses are due to the rising costs that they warned about going into the seventh generation.
Gauging things based on comments on the internet is not exactly a good way to go about things, man. I mean, look at half the shit said on GAF to attest to this.
Theonik
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I Dreamcast some doubts to Pachter's predictions.
That is still one of the best examples of the "anti/bash Nintendo no matter what" attitude that's out there. The lack of hesitation people had in going negative only to find out it was actual PS3/360 footage was insane.
Using the Dreamcast like this shows that Patcher has no understanding of what actually happen with Sega and the Dreamcast. In addition to that he's been wrong about everything regarding Nintendo so I don't think anyone should take him seriously. He might be good at his job in regard to other industries but it it comes to gaming he either says the obvious or just sucks at analyzing (see Nintendo).
Conrad Link
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I don't want to comment too soon without knowing anything about it, the proper detailed price and features.... but its basically gonna be their Dreamcast.
Anasui Kishibe
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oh christ, not this shit again
Bravo.
Depending on the Wii's success could be the Wii U's sales failure though. Part of the reason why i'm interested in where Nintendo is going with this, if they are chasing that blue ocean or trying to mend bridges with "hardcore" gamers.
Handheld market is one thing, but home consoles are different. I and "hardcore" gamers may be on board with the U for Nin games and the controller but in most gamer households it would again end up as a secondary console because of the lack of horsepower come next year.
The Wii sold like gangbusters, but looking past the hyperbole and joking of Wii's collecting dust in closets there is some truth there. That "blue ocean" of families, grandparents and casuals who only played the pack in game with the Wii and maybe got one game for christmas. Are they really going to shell out to buy a whole new console with a screen controller or will they be just fine pulling the Wii out of the closet once in awhile for game night?
TouchMyBox
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Hey Nintendo, wanna hang out with PC? You two have a great deal in common.
Welcome to GAF!
Logic and reason die the moment you enter this side of the forum.
What amazes me is all the people slamming Pachter for not having all the facts and making predictions from that and then in the same breathe claiming that they personally know just how well the console will do.
This place always amuses me.
You havent search then...
This is the guy who, not a month ago, said that Nintendo not telling us the price had doomed the Wii U and now he's saying he won't judge until they reveal the price...
I can see the Dreamcast situation happening (sans forcing nintendo out of the hardware game) but I think it's reasonable for people to not care what Patcher says
Ken Masters
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so little is known about this system yet he wants to call it a failure
Like the hat?
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glad to hear that wii u is going to be a hardcore gamer's paradise.
ChuyMasta
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Aren't interviewers allowed to confront the interviewee or something? How come the author of the article didn't point out something like:
Sega was already in the red when the dreamcast released and they did not have the IP power Nintendo currently does. How does that play a roll in your prediction for the Nintendo dreamcast?
Sega was already in the red when the dreamcast released and they did not have the IP power Nintendo currently does. How does that play a roll in your prediction for the Nintendo dreamcast?
I'm going to guess you don't *really* mean next-gen there, because it's an incorrect use of the term. I suspect you really mean 'more powerful systems'
Is it *really* a good idea to assert that a less powerful system will definitely, categorically tank when put up against more powerful systems? Based on the evidence of, oh, I dunno, damn near every generation, I'm going to say that that's by no means clear-cut.
Zoramon089
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Logic and reason says to ignore Patcher. You don't seem to practice what you preach
GotEmRunnin
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So he's saying the wii-u will be a great system with a huge library of "core" games with a longstanding fan following and it will pioneer online gaming in ways not thought possible on a console?
I completely agree.
I completely agree.
GrotesqueBeauty
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He never gets tired of being wrong, does he?
Nightstick11
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Anyone older than 14 knows that Nintendo is not going anywhere. In all likelihood, Nintendo will still be making first-party games when Microsoft and Sony exit the industry.
soxinthebox
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Time to stock up on CD-R
Anasui Kishibe
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don't we ever get tired of giving him attention, i ask?
crazy monkey
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