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Pachter: Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast

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RkOwnage said:
Lol @ the WiiU being considered NextGen, isn't it just slightly more powerful than the 360 and PS3? Imo, Nintendo is just launching into the current gen with the WiiU
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Junior haters never last long, seen any Wii U game? NO so how would you know and from what others say that seen them say it is, and why wouldn't it be?

This gen made a mind set the wii was trying to be under power to set them self part the Wii U is not doing that
 
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If so, then it's a good time for fighting games. I'l never forget how awesome it was to have Alpha 3, MvC2, Third Strike, JoJos, Powerstone, CvS2 etc all on one system. I LOVED the creativity of the VMU and was so excited of the prospects of bringing a Chao around or to school in Sonic Adventure 2. Shenmue was an experience I still haven't felt from another game - maybe Xenoblade came close to giving me a feeling of total freedom and creative freedom. Hell, if that's the case I'm excited.

Come on though, if you really think that it'll be Nintendo's swan song though in terms of hardware that has to be the dumbest thing ever. These people get paid for these pieces? The Wii brand is STILL strong in my opinion. People know about the new Wii coming out, and they are excited to see where it goes. I know a lot of casual gamers who would jump at the chance to own a "HD Wii".
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
NDS was less powerful than the PSP, and 3DS is less powerful than the Vita.
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The Game Boy Advance was less powerful than the Swan Crystal, the N-Gage, the Zodiac, the GP32X, the Gizmondo. (Etc.)

What I'm trying to say is, the kind of hardware Nintendo puts in its portables is not a great measure of the kind of hardware they put in their consoles.
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
Has this person ever accurately predicted something?
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He's done well in the monthly hardware predictions over the last few years. That would be a near-term prediction, whereas this thread is about a long-term prediction, though. It's the long-term predictions that seem to generate the more backlash. He obviously has a lot of data in his hands, so the long-term predictions are usually well-reasoned. Even this prediction is well-reasoned given that he thinks Wii U is his long-predicted appearance of Wii HD and actually not the start of the next generation. If that assumption was correct, I'd lean more toward his way of thinking, too, but I don't believe that assumption to be correct, at all. *shrugs*
 
Patcher states that he doesn't know the pricing of the console. Nor does he know the finalized chipset, launch software, or final features to be announced (and for that matter he knows jack about the competition the following two years).

Soooo... where is he pulling this insight from? His arse?

How is it this man is praised for wild assumptions, because if it's an actual profession... can I get a position?
(Edit: beaten for the position by Luigi)
 
An amazing console with extremely amazing games, with a controller that has a smaller screen on it...


.. yes, Wii U could possibly be Nintendo's Dreamcast.


(except the Wii U will outsell it's competitors badly)
 
People use "NextGen" a lot to define the "power" of a console, but frankly it's only meaningful to define gaming generations as the gaming machines which were released during the same time and competed with each other.

The Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and XBOX are all considered to be part of the 6th generation, despite the XBOX being technically superior. While the Wii is considered in the same generation as the PS3 and XBOX 360 despite being technically inferior. The "inferior" PS2 and WII are generally considered to be the best-selling machines of their generation despite their relative technical inferiority. It's not about power; it's about competing for the consumer's wallet and mindshare, retail space, and how to spend development resources and marketing.

Now I'm not against using "NextGen" to be an abstract descriptor of being technically advanced, but people need to know the damn difference between the two definitions and not mix then up!

While the WiiU might not be as powerful as the "PS4"/"Durango" (we'll have to see if that's even going to be true); when retailers, analysts, journalists, developers, and publishers speak about the upcoming/next generation, they're definitely not talking about "power". So why do these "power" arguments constantly keep popping up in these kinds of threads?
 
Pachter is just too obvious now. As if we don't have enough attention seeking analysts in every single industry.
 
Tempy said:
People use "NextGen" a lot to define the "power" of a console, but frankly it's only meaningful to define gaming generations as the gaming machines which were released during the same time and competed with each other.

The Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and XBOX are all considered to be part of the 6th generation, despite the XBOX being technically superior. While the Wii is considered in the same generation as the PS3 and XBOX 360 despite being technically inferior. The "inferior" PS2 and WII are generally considered to be the best-selling machines of their generation despite their relative technical inferiority. It's not about power; it's about competing for the consumer's wallet and mindshare, retail space, and how to spend development resources and marketing.

Now I'm not against using "NextGen" to be an abstract descriptor of being technically advanced, but people need to know the damn difference between the two definitions and not mix then up!

While the WiiU might not be as powerful as the "PS4"/"Durango" (we'll have to see if that's even going to be true); when retailers, analysts, journalists, developers, and publishers speak about the upcoming/next generation, they're definitely not talking about "power". So why do these "power" arguments constantly keep popping up in these kinds of threads?
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Get that logic out of here; this is a Pachter thread!

I agree with your entire post.
 
Is it getting to the point where Pachter comments should be banned? What's different about most of his comments and those coming from certain banned sites? They're not grounded in any sort of factual basis. That he's a financial analyst doesn't merit any additional consideration if he's just posting inaccurate and often inflammatory comments.
 
Darklord said:
I....kinda agree. It's way too late for this system. It'll do gangbusters at the start then when next-gen hits, it's going to tank.
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Darklord said:
No, that came out at a proper time. This is a console coming out at THE END of a generational cycle. Not the beginning. When next-gen hits, it'll lose massive third party support. So in that aspect, yeah, it is 2006 all over again. And the controller still looks monstrous.
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The Wii U will be considered part of the next generation of consoles. I don't understand how people can immediately down play their console without even knowing anything about the other consoles. For all we know the Wii U will be like the PS2 in power in the PS2-GC-Xbox generation. And current information shows that the Wii U will not be a slouche of a console in power, or RAM more specifically.
 
LOCK said:
The Wii U will be considered part of the next generation of consoles. I don't understand how people can immediately down play their console without even knowing anything about the other consoles. For all we know the Wii U will be like the PS2 in power in the PS2-GC-Xbox generation. And current information shows that the Wii U will not be a slouche of a console in power, or RAM more specifically.
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Honestly the dumbest thing about it. The WiiU will be launching much closer to either Fusion or Ps4 than PS3. At most of two years between WiiU and PS4, and six years between PS3 and WiiU.

Someone is just drunk.
 
Geez, I get that it's fun the hate Pachter, but must there be hate threads dedicated to every word he says?

This isn't even bona fide analysis on his part. A viewer of his show asked him an off-the-cuff question about the Wii U and he gave his opinion. He's allowed to have one of those, and the fact of the matter is until Nintendo decides to actually start hyping their console all anyone has is an opinion on the Wii U and nobody's right...yet, anyway.

Frankly, I don't see what Nintendo has illuminated about the Wii U that has people so gosh-darn optimistic, and that's coming from a fan who actually is excited for the damned thing.
 
BorkBork said:
Is it getting to the point where Pachter comments should be banned? What's different about most of his comments and those coming from certain banned sites? They're not grounded in any sort of factual basis. That he's a financial analyst doesn't merit any additional consideration if he's just posting inaccurate and often inflammatory comments.
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Every platform gets this. I guess with Nintendo, they always march by the beat of their own drum anyways. I don't really disagree with him that much though. I'm not a die hard irrational who will follow Nintendo to the ends of the earth. I will definitely be getting the WiiU at some point but not at launch though. Maybe even with my next income tax in 2013 but by that time, I may be pre-ordering something else like a PS4 or Durango (less likely but open).
 
royalan said:
Geez, I get that it's fun the hate Pachter, but must there be hate threads dedicated to every word he says?

This isn't even bona fide analysis on his part. A viewer of his show asked him an off-the-cuff question about the Wii U and he gave his opinion. He's allowed to have one of those, and the fact of the matter is until Nintendo decides to actually start hyping their console all anyone has is an opinion on the Wii U and nobody's right...yet, anyway.

Frankly, I don't see what Nintendo has illuminated about the Wii U that has people so gosh-darn optimistic, and that's coming from a fan who actually is excited for the damned thing.
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I don't think I even mention Pachter in Pachter threads.

So I'm definitely not the problem.
 
I don't agree with the dreamcast part, but the Wii U will definitely not be as successful than the Wii, especially if consumers only see it as a minor upgrade from the 360 and PS3.
 
Wii U is going to be beyond epic in relation to sales in Japan. It's like you get a free small TV with the Wii U controller. If anyone here has a clue, most Japanese people don't own more than one TV and most families share time watching etc.. This gives the family who wants to watch TV the ability to, while the younger can still play some single player game or stream their own TV shows etc.. I honestly believe the Wii U could become Nintendo's biggest home console success to date. Only time will tell and I'm very eager to see more Wii U news.. it sounds like it has plenty of punch to exist the entire generation regardless of what MS or Sony bring to the table in their next console.
 
The relationship with Pachter here is hilarious. It isn't his job to say these things, but people keep asking him so he answers. And he's probably better at it than 90% of GAF are from their armchairs.
The WiiU could potentially have a good start, but if Nintendo don't nail the online straight away Microsoft and Sony are going to come out and make it irrelevant except for a couple of big exclusives every year just like it is now.
 
Door2Dawn said:
I don't agree with the dreamcast part, but the Wii U will definitely not be as successful than the Wii, especially if consumers only see it as a minor upgrade from the 360 and PS3.
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This didn't exactly matter last gen, it won't this coming gen either.

If you've got the games they want, you'll get the buyers. That game could be a $60 version of Angry Birds for all we know.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
I don't think I even mention Pachter in Pachter threads.

So I'm definitely not the problem.
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The predictions he's making here aren't even an issue for me, though I do think they stem from inaccurate assumptions.

It's this Dreamcast shit. That console's position and outcome isn't at all relevant to the current situation.

Whoever is bringing Dreamcast into the dialog needs to stop.
 
TwinIonEngines said:
The predictions he's making here aren't even an issue for me, though I do think they stem from inaccurate assumptions.

It's this Dreamcast shit. That console's position and outcome isn't at all relevant to the current situation.

Whoever is bringing Dreamcast into the dialog needs to stop.
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It's like random multipliers. 2x what? 5x what? At least I give some basis for what I mean when I use them.
 
Why do we listen to this guy? Why does he get so many threads?

He's not a gamer. He does not play games. He has as much credibility as that N'gai Croal guy or whatever his name is.

Nintendo can afford 5 dreamcasts so this is more like their master system.
 
I think he just recently found out why the Dreamcast perished and thought: "Boy, would it be cool if I predicted something like that for Nintendo..."
 
Brera said:
Why do we listen to this guy? Why does he get so many threads?

He's not a gamer. He does not play games. He has as much credibility as that N'gai Croal guy or whatever his name is.

Nintendo can afford 5 dreamcasts so this is more like their master system.
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He would have told you to not buy stock in Game.
 
Door2Dawn said:
I don't agree with the dreamcast part, but the Wii U will definitely not be as successful than the Wii, especially if consumers only see it as a minor upgrade from the 360 and PS3.
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To be fair, I don't think any systems of the big 3 will achieve that kinda success... that was just good timing and being in the right place
 
Door2Dawn said:
I don't agree with the dreamcast part, but the Wii U will definitely not be as successful than the Wii, especially if consumers only see it as a minor upgrade from the 360 and PS3.
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I think it will sell even more. Mario's popularity is at an all time high right now and now Nintendo will get all the other games they missed out on this gen. They just need to price it at $300 or less and have NSMB near launch and they have next gen in the bag.
 
Door2Dawn said:
I don't agree with the dreamcast part, but the Wii U will definitely not be as successful than the Wii, especially if consumers only see it as a minor upgrade from the 360 and PS3.
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It will definitely not be as succesful as the Wii because....??

Just amazing to see people so sure of things like that at this point in time.

I predict it will do better than the Wii. By a LOT.
 
It's amazing how he gets paid just to BS everything. It would be cool if I could have a job that pays easily, but I'd feel really bad that I'm bashing a company for no reason. Kind of degrades me as a person if I do such thing.
 
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