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Pachter: Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast
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Barkley's Justice
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The video games industry is extremely unpredictable. But if history has taught us ONE thing it's: NEVER UNDERESTIMATE NINTENDO.
I agree tho I think it'll be shit.
So all that matters to you for being successful is marketshare? Are you dense or just stupid? I see you've never taken a business class or had even any kind of success at retail. If you sell a hundred million of something but eat a loss on every single one it's worse than selling ten million of something else but making a profit on every single one sold.
The DS also didn't launch until 3 years after the GCN had launched and if you were around the forum then (which I really fucking doubt) the DS didn't start selling as well as it did until Brain Age, Nintendogs and the DS Lite revision hit in 2005 and 2006 respectively.
Gamecube and Wii were pretty much propped up alone on Nintendo first party titles.
Stop moving the goal posts in your argument.
I've always thought his output is meant for investors who need to know whether they should be buying, selling, or holding onto gaming-related stock. And maybe he also advises gaming companies on what to do to raise their stock value. Which makes me wonder why the gaming press, who write for gamers, interview him.
JoshuaJSlone
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Even if they have a drop the size of PS2->PS3, PSP->PSV, SNES->N64, or N64->GCN, it will still be far far far from a Dreamcast situation. It doesn't even have to do as well as PS360 to become their #2 most successful console.
Personally I thought the GameCube was Nintendo's Dreamcast. When Dreamcast showed that having a cheap alternative with strong first-party support wasn't good enough, I figured GameCube could run into the same trouble.
Personally I thought the GameCube was Nintendo's Dreamcast. When Dreamcast showed that having a cheap alternative with strong first-party support wasn't good enough, I figured GameCube could run into the same trouble.
Yeah, it's just hard for us on the outside to know how the handhelds and GameCube individually contributed to that total.cosmicblizzard said:
Correctomundo
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Ah, yes. Pachter. The Harold Camping of Nintendo predictions.
Pachter is trolling. He predicts that PS4 and 720 won't arrive before 2014 (!!!), yet the only new console won't be a success? People are desperate for new hardware this late into the current gen. Hell, I despise Nintendo and all their games except Metroid Prime but even I can see myself buying a Wii U if the Xbox successor is indeed not coming out this year. Of course it all depends on pricing. If Wii U is at $299 or below it will sell well.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)...
Eh, Patcher is getting an unreasonable amount of hate here for this one. Read the quote -- he was asked whether this is going to be another "Dreamcast" situation or not. He said his hunch is that it will be, but he's not going to make conclusions until he knows more. Seems reasonable enough to me.
Nothing to see here folks, carry on.
Nothing to see here folks, carry on.
I predict the Wii U will sell very good in the holidays and afterwards, if it is clearly marketed as a whole new console (unlike 3DS was at first) and Nintendo points out, that it is the most advanced console on the market when it launches. It shouldn't be priced at 599$, that is clear :-D
from the horse power I expect it to be clearly more powerful than the PS360 and a so called next gen console. But the next X-Box and the PS4 will outperform it, although not as much as PS360 outperfomed the Wii. Powerwise I thnk the earlyer in this thread stated opinion, that the Wii U will be the PS2 of the next generation should be quite on spot.
Did Pachter ever predict Nintendo right btw?
from the horse power I expect it to be clearly more powerful than the PS360 and a so called next gen console. But the next X-Box and the PS4 will outperform it, although not as much as PS360 outperfomed the Wii. Powerwise I thnk the earlyer in this thread stated opinion, that the Wii U will be the PS2 of the next generation should be quite on spot.
Did Pachter ever predict Nintendo right btw?
shinra-bansho
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Despite his inflammatory and ridiculous comment about "Dreamcasting," I agree with his point that the WiiU may not be as popular as Nintendo are banking on.
I get why people like to post this, but they should realise it's not really that accurate for MS or Sony and hasn't been for a while.
I get why people like to post this, but they should realise it's not really that accurate for MS or Sony and hasn't been for a while.
But Nintendo is in the exact opposite situation that Sega was in when they launched the Dreamcast. If you think the Wii U has the potential to become the next Dreamcast, you'd also have to believe the Wii is a complete failure.
AceBandage
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Yeah. Sony is much deeper shit than that right now.
POWERSPHERE
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Sop making threads for this silly dickhead. He mustn't even know Nintendo make games saying shit like that.
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Pretty much all that needs to be said. Yet, I'll add to it
IMHO Pachter throws out this red meat to the gaming industry/journalism while saying a different (and probably diametrically opposite) thing to his real clients that pay him real money. So while I don't profess to know how well the WiiU will do, I won't be surprised if the WiiU is successful and he continues to publicly troll Nintendo.
shinra-bansho
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I was referring more to the fact that MS's graph includes things like Zune and Windows Phone that have been huge moneysinks; and Sony originally hid PS3 losses through other products by bundling them into one division, but now finds any PS3 profits hidden by TV losses.
But yes, doomed Sony is doomed.
Thunder Monkey
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I love Pachter!
Sometimes I wonder if he and Wario64 are the same person. They are both just so honest and realistic. It is refreshing in this world of armchair trolls to meet two completely legit people that will never lead you astray, ever.
There was nothing wrong with the Dreamcast as a machine. In fact, the Dreamcast was practically ahead of its time and arguably one of the most beautiful machines ever designed. The only things that killed the Dreamcast were SEGA themselves, the money-might of SONY, and key 3rd parties favouritism for SONY.
Assuming this was mentioned in negativity, I believe it's premature to say that Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast, We should all wait for Nintendo's next E3 presentation for further information about the Wii U.
Assuming this was mentioned in negativity, I believe it's premature to say that Wii U is Nintendo's Dreamcast, We should all wait for Nintendo's next E3 presentation for further information about the Wii U.
And yet.. we don't see repeated threads on their more-precarious position.
Interesting.
evil solrac v3.0
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so you're not predicting a console's demise that hasn't launched but you are comparing it to a console that died?
Well, there were... wait, are those "Vita is Doomed" threads every few days or so. Something something Apple cock.
Pachter always reminds me of:
For more than one reason.
holy shit
MisterHero
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I think Michael Pachter will continue to 32X his credibility among gaming enthusiasts
Feel the Swift
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Uh, let's not get carried away there buddy.
Thunder Monkey
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A young(er) Eugene Levy?
I don't know about Pacht, but I'd consider that a highest honor.
I don't know about Pacht, but I'd consider that a highest honor.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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These are pretty much thoughts. I had the most fun with N64 and Dreamcast. N64 due to the social nature of having 3 friends in the room trash talking you, and Dreamcast because of the huge influx of fun arcadey games and unique/inventive/quirky experiences. Games these days don't really do it for me, and I've got a huge stack of games that I have little interest in playin through :/
Hope Wii U is able to capture my imagination again
boiled goose
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Wow this thread.
Nintendo in a similar position to Sega going into a new generation.
Nintendo lost money from SNES to Gamecube.
Nintendo has always made weak hardware.
Nintendo will barely not exit the console hardware market if WiiU sells less than Wii.
Nintendo would be out of the console business if Wii did not become a mega success.
If WiiU does badly, Nintendo will go third party or portable only.
WiiU lol not 'next gen'.
Mother of God.
Pachter's comments are outshined by Neogaf's finest.
Nintendo in a similar position to Sega going into a new generation.
Nintendo lost money from SNES to Gamecube.
Nintendo has always made weak hardware.
Nintendo will barely not exit the console hardware market if WiiU sells less than Wii.
Nintendo would be out of the console business if Wii did not become a mega success.
If WiiU does badly, Nintendo will go third party or portable only.
WiiU lol not 'next gen'.
Mother of God.
Pachter's comments are outshined by Neogaf's finest.
Etrian Oddity
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I really don't care if he's one of our "guests" from the industry who posts here. Behind his pseudo-economical forecasts, the man has an irrational bias against Nintendo and has been proven to not know what the hell he's talking about in the video game industry for the better part of a decade.
I honestly don't know if he makes his statements for publicity or if he genuinely believes what he says, but as far as we should be concerned he is a total quack as it pertains to the video game industry. I can't think of a single one of his countless doom-and-gloom forecasts for Nintendo even remotely coming true within the window he projected.
Seriously guys, just stop giving this man attention.
I honestly don't know if he makes his statements for publicity or if he genuinely believes what he says, but as far as we should be concerned he is a total quack as it pertains to the video game industry. I can't think of a single one of his countless doom-and-gloom forecasts for Nintendo even remotely coming true within the window he projected.
Seriously guys, just stop giving this man attention.
It is patcher, but I could see that happening(edit- not to DC extent but I don't think it will be Wii success). The pre-wii the wii had this new revolutionary feel to it. It brought a lot of casuals in. I don't know if that crowed will go out and get the wii u. As a gamer I'm personally not hyped at all for it(I was super hyped for the wii), but then again I never really played my wii that often. So I can't speak for wii fans in general.
I don't know I was really really hyped for it before it came out. Maybe like a year after it came out people started to say that about it.
Anticitizen One
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Thats actually a GOOD thing
Dreamcast + Nintedo software + HD resolutions = MMMMMMMM
Dreamcast + Nintedo software + HD resolutions = MMMMMMMM
It's such a mystery why there aren't Sony is Doomed articles, isn't it? The Vita isn't exactly lighting up the charts either and PS3 is just hitting its stride.
Thing is, Nintendo is selling the console to Wii owners, whom in the majority never bought a 360 or PS3. They don't have to draw comparisons to those consoles, they just have to grab their pre-existing market who will see it as a greatly-advanced Wii. The only exception to this is hardcore gamers, but Nintendo knows it CAN exist without them. But Nintendo also seems to not WANT to exist without them and wants to retain a non-volatile base of consumers.
Will it sell like Wii? Probably won't sell higher than Wii did, but not by any hugely drastic margin. And I think a lot of people will be won over by not having to buy new controllers due to backwards compatibility while still adding a new experience with the WiiU pad.
Thank you for finally confirming you're a joke/alt account.
You and me both, man.
So...you're sure at this point in time it'll do better, because?
Hardware sales will hit a small slide, but I think they'll make up for it in software sales this go around, with more 3rd-party content for people to pick up. 3rd-parties want to make sure they don't miss the boat this go-around, and that will make all the difference in the world, even if it doesn't sell a higher amount of hardware. The software attach rate and software sales numbers will be fantastic.
Pachter has believed Wii is a complete failure for several years now, in spite of sales figures. So.... yeah.....
AdventureRacing
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Because predicting the doom of someone doing badly doesn't stand out very much. When the PS3 was failing everyone was all over it because it was such a huge fall from grace. Now predicting that sony is struggling is just stating the obvious.
Now it's nintendo who is on top so everyone is going to be predicting their demise.
That's what I'm saying! Not sure what everyone is mad about #kappa
disappeared
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Foolish Kermit. I'm going to have to find an opportunity to use that sometime.
herzogzwei1989
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sorry wrong thread.
Barack Lesnar
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What Pach's saying isn't that far off from the general sentiment most have of the console. The Wii U reveal was lacking, to say the least. Nintendo will have to come out guns blazing at E3 to make up for it.
Who is "most"? Do you have some pooled knowledge we don't?
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