sublimit
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Oh wait we're talking about an early access launch??Didn't knew that.
Well i guess now his comparison seems even more pointless and random than before to me.
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Pachter: Xbox Ones Battlegrounds Will Outsell Most of the Japanese PS4 Games
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Oh wait we're talking about an early access launch??Didn't knew that.
Well i guess now his comparison seems even more pointless and random than before to me.
The Albatross
Member
It definitely is, and that's something you see all the time. Or, "I don't like sports games," or "I don't like racing games," or what have you.
It's not absurd.
These are consumer products and people are trading their own money for their own time. If someone generally doesn't care for western third person shooters, and they really need a great one to catch their interest, then that's not absurd... It's their money, it's their time, it's their choice.
Now, if they go and say "You shouldn't care about western third person shooters," or "Western third person shooters don't matter..." then, sure, that's absurd.
Not liking a genre is different from not liking a .... country and everything that comes from it? I don't see the point of your comparison.
That was after it was cancelled.
We all know no one liked the game after it was cancelled
Lol quite the contrary. It was the ground breaking masterpiece which was a crime to get cancelled.
PhantomThief
Banned
Cant wait till this hits consoles
Chobel
Member
Oh yeah, I guess it was different leeh who said this about Gamescom 2015 gameplay
And? It was pre-alpha footage which showed the concept of good mechanics. E3-2016 came around closer when it was meant to be released and it looked shit.
Sorry for me not instantly throwing a game in the trash based on pre-alpha footage.
MetalliCabombination
Member
What an embarrassing thread lol
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Where the hell were you?
The game that couldn't garner more than a page thread on gaf for like 3 years straight went on to become the most coveted reason that tons of people now weren't buying an Xbox One when it was cancelled; that thread might have been up there for fastest moving threads in gaf history.
Chobel
Member
Huh, I didn't know its japanese "art style" and "vibe" changed somewhere between Gamescom and E3.
The Albatross
Member
It's that everybody has preconceived biases against specific groups of games that might follow a pattern, but they're willing to try something that looks to break that pattern. So, for instance, "I don't like racing games, but I love a quick game of Mario Kart now and again." It's not that the person doesn't like racing games, it's that they usually aren't interested in most racing games until a game comes around and proves them otherwise, or grabs their attention. Likewise, "I don't like Japanese games, but I love the Souls series..." It's not that they don't like Japanese games, it's that Japanese games don't generally catch their interest, until one proves that it's worth their time. It can be applied to regions, genres, publishers, developers, or any category of consumer products. I, personally, am usually not into Ubisoft published games... So an Ubi game really has to do something different to grab my attention. I'll snooze through Ubi presentations because I know that most of their games will be Far Cry, The Crew, Tom Clancy, and Far Cry ... and say "Eh, I really just don't like Ubisoft games..." but then maybe at some point something like Trials HD will catch my eye and I'll love it. Still, I'll have that implicit bias against Ubisoft games so I'd still probably say "Eh, I don't really like Ubi games," but I did like Trials -- an Ubi published game.
It's not really that somebody doesn't like Japanese games or doesn't like Western games, or doesn't like racing games, or Western RPGs, EA games, it's that they need something specific to their interests to attract them, and a genre of games or the origin of games is no different. And, let's be honest, games from specific regions, games in specific genres, games from specific publishers tend to share things in common and that makes sense that they do... It's the same thing with almost every other consumer industry.
It's not absurd that someone would develop their own bias for or against a category of products that they're spending their own money on or spending their own time playing. It happens with every industry. A lot of people have a bias against American cars as being unreliable, or against German cars for being expensive to repair, or against Japanese cars for using cheap materials or shoddy crafstmanship. These had a basis in reality at some point, but the biases still persist even if other manufacturers from those regions have bucked the trend. It is absurd for somebody to say something like "You shouldn't spend your money on Japanese games," but not, "I don't want to spend my money on Japanese games." It's a consumer market, bias is normal, and it's normal to not be interested in something based on previous perception and need something unique and extra to make you buck that preconception.
So because I don't usually glue with Japenese games I shouldn't be interested in any in the future even though I've bought/tried most of the most popular ones in recent years expecting to like some of them but never usually have?
I'll just disregard everyone of them in the future because of this GAF argument then.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Because he's a gigantic troll.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
The game certainly looked like absolute shit at E3 2016.
You're in those threads as well saying it looked "meh".
I think a lot of people were genuinely interested in the game up until that point; it's not some radical idea that it looked promising and had potential and then the big gameplay reveal right before release looking like hot garbage turned people off. Me included. Literally anyone else who is being honest as well.
UnemployedVillain
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Aren't the only games that sell really well in Japan nowadays Nintendo first party (MK, Splatoon), Monster Hunter, DQ and Yokai Watch? And Yakuza maybe?
I could see Monster Hunter World outselling it
I could see Monster Hunter World outselling it
Chobel
Member
Of course I was, E3 2016 showing was a disaster. But this isn't about me, it's about leeh who doesn't like any Japanese game (because of "art" and "vibe"), yet he somehow was excited about Scalebound at one point.
The Albatross
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It's actually because people outside of the videogame industry pay him for financial projections within this industry. It's, literally, his job, and things that seem super obvious to us aren't as obvious to a financial planner who might hire a company to give industry advice for something that they don't follow.
He was talking about the Japanese game released in the West.
That is true too.
My favourite RPG ever is Golden Sun. Literally. I beat that thing like 5 times over which is super unusual for me.
I usually look at these games and think "These look awesome!" and then pick them up and I just don't really stick to them. I really, really wanted to get into Bayonetta for example, but that lost me.
Mass Effect
Member
this thread went places
RichiRamjag
Member
I remember that game. Loved it. I used to love rpgs, but just can't stick with them nowadays sadly.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Gotcha. I may have a missed/glossed over a bit of that context.
dugdug
Banned
A bit confused why people say this is only Xbox exclusive because Sony doesn't have early access games on it when Paragon is in it's second year, Fortnite just came out, and they had Dungeon Defenders 2 in 2015.
I mean, they don't have a specific section for it like "Game Preview" but, what's the difference between the states of those games and PUBG?
I mean, they don't have a specific section for it like "Game Preview" but, what's the difference between the states of those games and PUBG?
Linking to a comment of yours from right when it was cancelled really undermines your point.
I mean, you were hardly the only one with a sudden change of heart regarding the game the minute it got canned, despite it being the most highly anticipated Xbox One exclusive on this board the year before.
We are just repeating what the dev has said. Their stated reason for being on Xbox early is because they can release it as an early access game. This probably means they can bypass some of Microsoft's cert requirements. Sony does not have a similar system they can use.
I mean maybe the dev is lying but I highly doubt it going by all the interviews I have seen with him. He has been pretty vocal about the game releasing everywhere once it reaches 1.0.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Apparently enough difference to devs where the titles released between both consoles are like 10:1 in Xbox favor.
MS isn't paying Ark, Conan, Elite Dangerous, etc to be a part of their platform. They are obviously doing something different than Sony in Early Access regard. I'm not going to pretend to know what exactly it is, but enough games have released on XB1 early access to suggest MS is doing something "better" for them to target there
semiconscious
Member
...Sony doesn't have an early access program - different.
A few selected titles doesn't change the situation, Sony is very restrictive on the games they allow and many others are never considered, while on xbox its mostly the developer willing to be part of game preview and putting it there. It's like saying xbox have strong jrpg support because of FFXV and dark souls
When it was shown at E316 I was super disappointed. Just never mentioned it before that post, you know, since there was hardly any threads on it until it got cancelled and it got a 100+ page one.
The Pet of the Month
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I generally agree with you, but I'd like to point out that Sony has been rather lenient with letting some games on the platform, too.
Life of Black Tiger, some crummy Brick Breaker games, and some really odd RPG game have been let on the PlayStation store.
I'm not sure why these games got on, probably since they don't need the constant patches that these early access games will get over their lifetimes.
Lord of Ostia
Member
There is a difference between a shit game and an intentionally unfinished game. Those games all passed certification, but its likely that many of these Early Access titles wouldnt, or that Sony is just uncomfortable selling lots of games thay descrive themselves as 'unfinished'. We really dont know, but comparing Life of Black Tiger to PUBG is not a useful comparison.
dugdug
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I'm not saying it's "strong" support, but, just clearly they do allow early access games. It would stand to reason MS' deal is better considering the number of EA games is higher there. Or maybe they're just more actively pursuing the cause.
The Pet of the Month
Member
You're right, not sure why I made that comparison. Apologies.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
well in this context, that phrase means
spot (the kind of person who reduces massively popular PC games to niche status because, well, it's no *insert flash in the pan, flavor of the month AAA Console Exclusive here*!)
and those people crop up all the time here. ever been in a GAF thread where Minecraft or CS:GO is the topic of discussion?
you're a little too insistent and from where I'm standing you're clearly in the wrong
Opinions formed with no immediate knowledge of: PUBG itself and the shape of the landscape of PC games are laid pretty bare in this context. It's humorous when people are dismissive of something because they have no point of reference. There's a couple great examples of these people (or trolls posing as these people) in the first 2 pages.
I thought that was all pretty evident, there's a big opinion divide between people who have played PUBG and people who hard dismiss it out of hand. Seemed humorous to me.
He should just give us the exact sales number
Well, I'll be honest, I've never heard of this game till a college friend mentioned she streamed it. Watched some videos and I really don't understand the hype, looks like another boring realistic shooter in a market flooded by them.
I'll stick to the inventive, stylistic Japanese games on PS4 and Switch, regardless what some analyst says will sell better. Not to mention that it's probably too little too late for XB1 anyways.
I'll stick to the inventive, stylistic Japanese games on PS4 and Switch, regardless what some analyst says will sell better. Not to mention that it's probably too little too late for XB1 anyways.