It's absurd because you're lumping an entire country (with games as diverse as dark souls and resident evil to the shittiest VN under the sun and stuff like LSD and Mario) under the same "genre". It's as ridiculous as saying "i don't like american games"
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Pachter: Xbox Ones Battlegrounds Will Outsell Most of the Japanese PS4 Games
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It's absurd because you're lumping an entire country (with games as diverse as dark souls and resident evil to the shittiest VN under the sun and stuff like LSD and Mario) under the same "genre". It's as ridiculous as saying "i don't like american games"
Which is essentially what entire of the japanese gaming population thinks.
MetalliCabombination
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What the hell does the second sentence even mean with context to the topic?
I was wondering the same thing.
How many more times do I have to say that most Japanese games have a art/feel that just I don't like? The only one I can recall in liking is Golden Sun.
Ive played Bayonetta, DMC, Silent Hill, Resident Evil and none of them gel with me. I can't really explain it that well.
So stuff like Bloodborne and Street Fighter are the same thing when it comes to the art style because they're Japanese?
Mr. Phellps
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I think what the original post about 5 exclusives versus 1 merely means five different IPs are more likely to offer variety than a single IP, regardless of genre.
That's it.
Maintenance
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I don't gel with Dark Souls either, that's another one. Not a big fighting game fan so not played Street Fighter in absolute years.
They just have a certain vibe to them what's different. Its like when Japanese devs do western games, its never the same as a western dev. Same other way round.
Well yeah I agree with that but this has gone to a whole new level, like ive slaughtered peoples loved ones for saying I generally don't like Japanese games.
Dreamgazer
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I don't want to argue with your preferences. You're free to like/dislike what you want. When you try to use your preferences for a larger context and use this "they all feel the same" argument just because they were developed in the same country (regardless of how different the games are) is when we have an issue. Saying Killer 7, Mario, Street Fighter and Siren share the same art and feel just because they're japanese is nonsense.
You might not miss 'japanese games' (this definition is what is really bothersome - games are not defined by their country of origin but by their genres and characteristics above all) and that's fine, but other xbox users do and would like them hitting the platform as well. Using personal preferences to speak for a large userbase never goes well - for instance, i would glady trade PUBG for Bloodborne on xbox, but i know i'm the minority here so i'm not going to say "no one cares about PUBG, its the same as every battle royale game out there", that would be petty and dumb.
Your insistence on painting everyone disagreeing with you as "lol they mad" is quite childish as well.
I'm not saying that NOBODY buys them.
Those games combined probably make up less than 1% of videogame revenue in japan.
Hell, even console games likely make up a small % now, why do we think Konami don't give a damn?
Taken everything I've said out of context again I see. Not bothering.
sublimit
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Umm yes you can have some variety even with no Japanese games (thanks mostly to indie titles) but do you agree that a platform that also has a plethora of Japanese titles would have a much bigger variety in its library?
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Good, we are evolving as gamers not culture.
Of course its a lot more variety, and to be honest, its rude for me to lump all these titles under "Japanese games" but I just don't like them, I can't put my finger on it.
Even have a similar feeling towards Gran Turismo and I love racing sims.
I'm just saying its not the definition of variety, that's all.
But you were really looking for games like Scalebound...
Having that feeling to Gran Turismo doesn't make sense.
Maintenance
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Scalebound looked shit.
Doesn't make sense to me either tbh.
I see you're commenting referring to what I'm saying and not quoting me. So, you're saying that's variety because they're Japanese cause Western devs make all those games too.
i mean, before it was cancelled, you said here that you were really looking for it.
Can you find that? Cause I don't recall saying that. Always looked crap to me. I was one of the people saying I don't get why this is a massive thing now as everyone was saying it looked shit after it got cancelled.
Battlegrounds will be big on any platform that'll play it. It's a blast on PC and will likely be great on Xbox One and PS4 as well.
I don't really understand the link with Japanese PS4 games though, aside it just being a cheap dig at Sony.
I do wonder about how it'll run on consoles though. It's still extremely buggy and often janky even on high-end PC's and I wonder how that'll fare on Xbox and Playstation.
As slow as the PC version is receiving updates and fixes i'm curious on where they find the time to create a console version that's up to the standards expected on these platforms.
I feel PC gamers are generally much, much more lenient about games being buggy, broken and/or early access games in general.
I don't really understand the link with Japanese PS4 games though, aside it just being a cheap dig at Sony.
I do wonder about how it'll run on consoles though. It's still extremely buggy and often janky even on high-end PC's and I wonder how that'll fare on Xbox and Playstation.
As slow as the PC version is receiving updates and fixes i'm curious on where they find the time to create a console version that's up to the standards expected on these platforms.
I feel PC gamers are generally much, much more lenient about games being buggy, broken and/or early access games in general.
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Yeah, you're right. That went over well.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164046340&postcount=554
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=167482013&postcount=618
In this post you were dissapointed because they didn't show the game at gamescon.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174103254&postcount=4882
here you said it looked a bit clunky but you were still really interested in this japanese rpg.
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Clearly japanese games that release on the One become infused with the western feel and overwrite the japanese feel he doesn't like.
The Albatross
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It's amazing that this forum, a videogame enthusiast forum, still doesn't understand Pachter's job and gets lit up for 10 pages whenever he does his job.
Pachter is a financial analyst who is hired by financial planners to comment on some specific industries, most relevant to us, the videogame industry. He doesn't really care about games anymore than he needs to for his job, which is important to doing his job well, which he actually does.
So, when somebody is like "WHO CARES, WHY WOULD HE COMMENT ON THIS, DUHHH," or "This is so random why would he even say this??"
To us Pachter's industry projections always seem either obvious or obviously wrong. But for someone outside of the industry, who is managing a fund that is spread across 20 industries and multimedia entertainment happens to be one of them, it's valuable information. It all seems obvious to us that "A western shooter will obviously outsell a japanese game!" "Oh, ok, then Prey (a polished western shooter) will outsell Pokemon (a japanese game about finding pocket-sized monsters) right?" "Well, no, obviously Prey won't outsell Pokemon..." "But you said...."
Pachter is a financial analyst who is hired by financial planners to comment on some specific industries, most relevant to us, the videogame industry. He doesn't really care about games anymore than he needs to for his job, which is important to doing his job well, which he actually does.
So, when somebody is like "WHO CARES, WHY WOULD HE COMMENT ON THIS, DUHHH," or "This is so random why would he even say this??"
- Who cares: His clients who hire his company for market research
- Why would he comment on this: Because it's his job and he has to
- Duhhh: Not really, the people making financial decisions based on this information aren't videogame enthusiasts and so something that seems very obvious to us (one of the hottest new shooters will outsell relatively lesser known JRPGs), is about as obvious to uninvolved investors as, say, whether a new blood pressure pharmaceutical drug will outsell a psoriasis pharmaceutical drug. Enthusiasts in the Plaque Psoriasis Industry might go "Duhh! OBviously blood pressure drugs will outsell psoriasis!" but for a fund manager who has really no idea about which drugs will outsell which other drugs, or which videogames will outsell which other videogames, his market projections are valuable. It's why they pay him for it.
To us Pachter's industry projections always seem either obvious or obviously wrong. But for someone outside of the industry, who is managing a fund that is spread across 20 industries and multimedia entertainment happens to be one of them, it's valuable information. It all seems obvious to us that "A western shooter will obviously outsell a japanese game!" "Oh, ok, then Prey (a polished western shooter) will outsell Pokemon (a japanese game about finding pocket-sized monsters) right?" "Well, no, obviously Prey won't outsell Pokemon..." "But you said...."
Yeah, and all that's before they showed gameplay at E3 2016 where it looked awful.
I see that on GAF all the time, but even more generalized, i.e, "I don't like western games", which means anything not Japanese.
sublimit
Banned
Not only random but completely pointless as well.
And it's pretty stupid as well.
LiquidSolid
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It's almost as if western AAA games are treated as a given on the PS4/Xbone but the addition of those great Japanese games to the PS4's library adds a lot more variety to it. But nah, it couldn't possibly be that, we all know the PS4 doesn't get western AAA games!
leeh gonna leeh
Theonik
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The point is 'Sony may have all those games but Microsoft got the one game that matters'
I thought you didn't like Japanese games because of their art style. Is it about the gameplay now?
Oh more out of context quotes.
Do you think I stick my nose up at a game before I've looked into it because it's Japanese? I also said art & feel, and these are the games I've actually played.
Chobel
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sublimit
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Now that i fixed your quote could you tell me again what his point is?I mean how can you tell which in the end is the most profitable "deal that matters" and which isn't?
First you have to show the receipts proving microsoft paid for "exclusivity" instead of this just being another early access hitting the console earlier like many others due to game preview
Theonik
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I'm not Pachter. Don't ask me!
This is all just console wars bollocks.
Late to the party pal.
I love because I said the definition of variety on here is Japenese games now everyones trying to catch me out whether I said I was looking forward to Scalebound. Fucking hilarious, carry on.
Microsoft didn't pay for Battlegrounds. It is getting free advertising but otherwise it is exclusive because Sony doesn't have an early access program like the Xbox does.