rakkadakka
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With the One X I think it might be a tipping point for some people but I don't see it pulling Xbox's off the shelves.
It's a fantastic game though and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a huge hit on Xbox.
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Pachter: Xbox Ones Battlegrounds Will Outsell Most of the Japanese PS4 Games
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With the One X I think it might be a tipping point for some people but I don't see it pulling Xbox's off the shelves.
It's a fantastic game though and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a huge hit on Xbox.
Maintenance
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None of MS's indie games have had long exclusive periods (talking about the timed exclusives). Besides, going by your post in the Edith Finch Xbox thread, shouldn't as many people as possible be able to play these games?
The difference is pubg has already proven itself and it's the hot shit right now. It's a huge win for Microsoft since they're getting it while it's in the growth phase instead of late post hype like Sony.
Of course getting it early means nothing if it runs like shit. It's super unoptimized on pc so unless Microsoft and epic are lending their code ninjas to help out I'm sceptical how it'll run on Xbox.
Maintenance
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Yeah, I don't get it either. Like, the game will 99% be huge on Xbox...
But it's just the one game. With the PS4 Japanese exclusive titles, even if they don't sell crazy well, they're still really healthy for the library and are a legit reason to buy the console.
Anyway, yeah. For once, Pachter technically not wrong, but I don't see why he's making the comparison.
Why even suggest "If at all" when everyone knows it's coming to PS4.
Contracts are secret, but they put a "launch exclusive" label on the E3 reveal, so we don't need to guess about it. Unless that other console... is the Switch!
Liliana Eileen
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If you have no idea what you're even attempting to imply, you shouldn't hit that post button.
First of all, I enjoyed WRoEF thoroughly, and enjoy those kinds of games much more now that I'm older. Saying that more people have to play that game has literally no correlation to my post in this topic whatsoever besides someone maybe attempting to project. I quoted someone saying something Gamefaqs-esque, as I put it. "Then what?" literally makes no sense in response to the OP, aside from fanboy-like fodder with no basis in reality.
Secondly, the reason this game is [temporarily?] exclusive on Xbox is because of the Xbox early access program that PS4 does not have, just like the plethora of other indies that either are only on Xbox or started only on Xbox because of the EA program. What you mean to imply is that, after they are out of early access, they find themselves on other platforms, which is how it should be for an indie, anyway.
Did I ever imply, even subtly, that I want this game to be only on Xbox? Xbox is not my main system, and I do not even play games like PUBG as much as I used to. I do, however, think that Microsoft might not let this game out of their clutches if it is popular enough on Xbox, given how much they seem to be pushing it compared to any other game that got EA on their platform. That is my opinion, and it is not a farfetched one.
Explained above. Sony does the same thing. Things might not be final, and saying it's console exclusive will backfire if otherwise. Just like Crash; things may not be final, hence the constant dancing around the exclusivity part, but in the very end it just may be exclusive.
Fair enough but you do tend to try and defend XBox and attack PS4 a lot in these threads which ia where I got the concept behind that post from.
I can't think of when Sony said a game was a launch exclusive and it changed to being a full exclusive.
I don't understand the point of questioning this. They announced a launch exclusive deal and the developers have already talked about wanting to bring it to other platforms. Obviously they can't name the PS4 directly as the contract would limit that, but we can tell this isn't a console exclusive contract.
SneakersSO
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Honestly, this is a maybe still. Again, big PC genre's tend to have growing pains before having a console iteration that splashes big. We see this all the time really. Several PC moba's that came to console late last gen fizzled out despite how dominant the genre was on PC; FPS' splash on console was limited compared to how big it became which wouldn't start until Halo basically wrote the design bible for the genre on consoles; MMOs on console largely never materialized despite how big of a gold rush they were on PC for over a decade, until Destiny came along and basically created the modern console MMO experience and the design bible for the experience.
I'm not saying PUBG won't be big on Xbox definitively. I just imagine that its largest playerbase will be on PC, but if PUBG does 20% of what its done on PC on console, thats still over a million. Not a bad start.
I'm not saying PUBG won't be big on Xbox definitively. I just imagine that its largest playerbase will be on PC, but if PUBG does 20% of what its done on PC on console, thats still over a million. Not a bad start.
Liliana Eileen
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Oh, now I see. That's where I remember you from. The thread where people were disgusted with Activison/Sony for timed exclusive Destiny content coming to Xbox right before Destiny 2 launches, even though it was supposed to release earlier but got pushed back. FWIW, I don't play Destiny and hate the game for a plethora of reasons.
I responded to someone, talking about the original Tomb Raider and how Sony made the 2nd game permanently exclusive, despite the first being multiplat, and you responded with "just like Microsoft and RoTTR, amirite?" and proceeded to get called out on that from me and other people. I mean, the two aren't even remotely alike, but I'm not going to derail this topic with that.
"Attacking PS4" says more about you, than anything, especially when my response disintegrates your original post.
Titanfall.
It doesn't matter if it's Sony or Microsoft; the idea is still plausible, is it not?
The point is, Crash is clearly a big thing for Sony. I mean, this is not downplayable. Maybe not as big as TF was for MS and launch XB1, but it is. Now, for a ton of reasons, we know it is not even console exclusive, and again, this is Activision we speak of (Crash Skylanders, anyone?). Yet still, who is to say Sony isn't working behind the scenes to find a way to keep it exclusive? We all speculate but there will always be things behind the scenes we will never know. Could be why we keep seeing conflicting reports on certain promotional adverts saying "console exclusive" and others not saying it, or people in the industry backtracking on Twitter, etc.
There most certainly is a chance the game could stay exclusive, despite the potential to sell millions on Xbox/Switch. But imagine if they announced it exclusive, at E3 of all places, and for whatever reason it was not? I mean, going by Crash threads, there are still tons of people who think it will be exclusive, despite your logic (which isn't inherently wrong, just a bit flawed).
Finally, it's not like Microsoft hasn't done this before.
EA's CFO said they made that deal because of their XB1 and PS4 sales forecast, where they thought the Xbox would be huge. That's clearly not going to be the case here, and MS would have to front the money that this game could make on the PS4 for any deal to make sense.
Now on top of that, it's already been labeled as a launch exclusive, so at this point it's really wishful thinking you'll get another Titanfall scenario. There's no reasonable "IF" foreseeable here.
It's only a launch exclusive because it will be avaliable during one x launch and it will be 'exclusive' by then because of early access
so it's not misleading in any sense. it just isn't relevant either.
there's no reason to believe it wont hit ps4 as well when the game is finished. and no reason not to either, guy deserves the success and people in any platform deserve to play it.
so it's not misleading in any sense. it just isn't relevant either.
there's no reason to believe it wont hit ps4 as well when the game is finished. and no reason not to either, guy deserves the success and people in any platform deserve to play it.
Liliana Eileen
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In that same interview, he said he was "comfortable" where the Xbox One was at, and never implied "huge" by any means. Also, you're not taking into account the shit-ton of advertising amongst other things Microsoft did for Titanfall; the game sold 4x Titanfall 2's numbers, despite being only on one platform and despite, at that time, having an infinitely smaller userbase. But, since you're attempting to be contrarian for the sake of it, explain RoTTR. Supposed to be XB1/PS4, has a one year XB1 exclusive deal.
Are you really not seeing my point? "Wishful thinking" kind of explains your stance here. I'm not going to keep repeating myself; I don't really have any interest in PUBG, H1Z1, DayZ, or similar games. I get why they're popular, but they're not my cup of tea.
Probably just trying to say it's a smart move on MSs part. I don't really see why it's relevant either but predicting sales is his job..
This is all a silly discussion. PUBG will, in all likelihood, come to the PS4. There is really no reason or impetus to talk about the idea that "maybe it won't."
Liliana Eileen
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We make him more famous/infamous then he should actually be.
Use whatever word you want. They said they based their deal on a forecast between the XB1 and the PS4 from before they launched. That's not going to be the type of situation any dev is now making.
I'm not being contrarian. You are by suggesting the PS4 might not even get this game. MS already clearly said otherwise when they labeled it a "launch" exclusive.
They would use "exclusive" if they could. Also, here's Phil when questioned after this E3 on the meaning of launch exclusive:
They are?
Didn't realise it was that popular or that people who not into PC gaming before it would be that into it.
Then again most gaming podcasts I listen to are more specialised so the only Battlegrounds talk I hear is in Waypoint Radio.
What I wonder about is how long before all the AAA games put in Battlegrounds modes in their games.
Liliana Eileen
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That isn't the point of my original post in this topic, if you scroll up and back a page.
So, Matt, it's worth quoting my last post, out of context, to say that in all likelihood the game will come to PS4 (which is obvious, but I was merely stating it is possible otherwise, like other people stated before me in tons of threads), talking about silly discussion and no reason to talk about the idea, but:
This guy I'm quoting in the first place, the comment preceding mine, doesn't warrant that?
My comment was "if at all," which isn't far-fetched at all (explained in previous post), when his post is literally a worthless discussion without context that there is no reason to talk about.
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pixelation
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I thought Japan did not like shooters?, what's different about this one?
I said the entire discussion is silly, both on your side and the people you are responding to.
wapplew
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Why Ark released on PS4 when it's still on Early Access?
Sony doesn't have a policy on Early Access as far as I know.
Fortnite for instance is basically Early Access.
I think the deal is just an Early Access exclusivity thing with Xbox.
Liliana Eileen
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Yes, you are. Saying "if at all," isn't some crazy, ridiculous thing, when I, in detail, explained why I said that. Plus, it wasn't the point of my original comment, at all. In fact, your original post:
was answered already. That's it. Why it's being cherry-picked by you, I don't understand. I shouldn't have even responded, I guess, as all it's done is derail this thread even more than it has, so you can keep on trucking, but I'm done with your posts.
Except your next two and final sentences explicitly target my post(s), and you literally were quoting me. But yes, you were implying everyone.
Again, it's silly to talk about from both ends. It's a silly thing to posit, and a silly thing to refute.Except your next two and final sentences explicitly target my post(s). But yes, you were implying everyone.
Like I said, it's a silly discussion.
PUBG and those Japanese PS4 games are two exclusive games that aren't first party. That's pretty rare these days.
I'm still cautious about its possible success on consoles though. I think some people are jumping the gun here.
StrongBlackVine
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Not saying it won't do well. Just cautious that it might not do as well as many people seem to expect. Still to be seen if it can replicate the success it had on PC on consoles.
It's Pachter. What did you expect. He wants to make a point that should be safely true.
The question shouldn't really be 'will PUBG outsell most individual Japanese exclusives'. Of course it probably will
The more interesting question IMO is 'will a timed exclusive that will eventually come to the other platform sell more Xbox hardware than a range of fully exclusive Japanese games will sell Ps4s?'
The more interesting question IMO is 'will a timed exclusive that will eventually come to the other platform sell more Xbox hardware than a range of fully exclusive Japanese games will sell Ps4s?'
Sony are weird with Early Access, they'll allow it, but only to some it seems, like they don't seem to have a problem with Epic doing them for example (as they have 2 Early Access games on PS4), but where denying the Ark guys for like a year. Maybe they require some sort of quality level, so they believe it'll actually release out of EA state, though Ark was pretty ass when they allowed it, so I doubt it, but can't really think of any other reason.
AbandonedTrolley
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Because it's a war he can win, he wasn't going to come out and say Battlegrounds will Outsell GT:Sport or God of War, target what's probably Sonys lowest selling corner.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Okay? But that's not really my point. As someone who owns a PC and is more than capable of running PUBG already, I'll take "most of the Japanese PS4 Games". Pachter is making what is arguably a "water is wet" type statement here. Also the game is on Steam. Given Microsoft's intentions with the Windows 10 store, I wouldn't say me buying games on Steam is serving their current purposes at all.
Mushroomer25
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If we're talking about the holiday season, that might be a fair fight. PUBG is white-hot right now, and should only be boosted by appearing on a console. One that will have an affordable SKU (for late-adopters and PS4-owners) and a Premium SKU (for those looking to upgrade) on shelves this holiday.
PUBG is going to give the One a pretty substantial boost, while I feel like the target audience for Nier/Nioh/Persona/Yakuza owned a PS4 before those games even released.
Of course, long term sales are impossible to speculate until we know when PUBG hits PS4.
He made a point that it will more than jrpgs on the ps4.
He did not attack the ps4 itself, don't worry.
StrongBlackVine
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Will it really though? I guess needs to sell over 4 million on Xbox One this year to sell more than all the JRPGs combined. Depending on when it releases it will have lot of competition with Destiny, COD and Battlefront.
Prototype Viktor
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lol marketing is surely not the reason for the difference in TF1 and Titanfall 2's sales numbers.
wapplew
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He didn't said it will outsold all Japanese games combine, just outsold most the them individually.
StrongBlackVine
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Oh wow this is such a non-story then. Talk about playing it safe.
It was definitely a big part though
Among other things(too many changes for the worse from titanfall 1, release date)
Uhh what?
Titanfall was exclusive because noone else wanted to finish funding it. EA didn't. Hell, Sony was asked before Microsoft and even they turned it down. Microsoft was the last chance at getting the game the funding they needed.
The exclusivity deal was made because titanfall wasn't getting made otherwise. The deal had nothing to do with sales forecast of either console (if what you said was true which it isn't- why would they go to Sony first?)
That makes this a non news story then, because that literally means nothing
Define a little bit, I am curious how much do you think xbox will recover from the ps4.