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Pakistani Taliban's Leader is Dead!

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Zapages

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This is great news!!! Hopefully everything calms down there...

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan – Pakistan's Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, who led a violent campaign of suicide attacks and assassinations against the Pakistani government, has been killed in a U.S. missile strike, a militant commander and aide to Mehsud said Friday.

Earlier, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told reporters in Islamabad that intelligence showed Mehsud had been killed in Wednesday's missile strike on his father-in-law's house in Pakistan's lawless tribal area, but authorities would travel to the site to verify his death.

Pakistani and U.S. intelligence officials said the CIA was behind the strike. All spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

"I confirm that Baitullah Mehsud and his wife died in the American missile attack in South Waziristan," Taliban commander Kafayat Ullah told The Associated Press by telephone. He would not give any further details.

Mehsud's demise would be a major boost to Pakistani and U.S. efforts to eradicate the Taliban and al-Qaida.

However, Mehsud has deputies who could take his place. Pakistani intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Taliban commanders were already believed to be meeting in the lawless tribal areas Friday to choose a replacement.

Three Pakistani intelligence officials said the likeliest successor was Mehsud's deputy, Hakim Ullah, a commander known for recruiting and training suicide bombers. Two other prominent possibilities, the officials said, were Azmat Ullah and Waliur Rehman, also close associates of Mehsud.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Whether a new leader could wreak as much havoc as Mehsud depends largely on how much pressure the Pakistani military continues to put on the network, especially in the lawless tribal area of South Waziristan.

Mehsud has al-Qaida connections and has been suspected in the killing of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Pakistan views him as its top internal threat and has been preparing an offensive against him.

For years, the U.S. considered Mehsud a lesser threat to its interests than some of the other Pakistani Taliban, their Afghan counterparts and al-Qaida, because most of his attacks were focused inside Pakistan, not against U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

That view appeared to change in recent months as Mehsud's power grew and concerns mounted that increasing violence in Pakistan could destabilize the U.S. ally and threaten the entire region.

The Pakistani intelligence officials said Mehsud's body was buried in the village of Nardusai in South Waziristan, near the site of the missile strike.

One official said he had seen a classified intelligence report stating Mehsud was dead and buried, but that agents had not seen the body since the area is under Taliban control.

Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik told reporters in Islamabad he could confirm the death of Mehsud's wife but not of the Taliban leader himself, although information pointed in that direction.

"Yes, (a) lot of information is pouring in from that area that he's dead, but I'm unable to confirm unless I have solid evidence," he said.

Another senior Pakistani intelligence official said phone and other communications intercepts — he would not be more specific — had led authorities to suspect Mehsud was dead, but he also stressed there was no definitive evidence yet.

An American counterterrorism official said the U.S. government was also looking into the reports. The official indicated the United States did not yet have physical evidence — remains — that would prove who died. But he said there were other ways of determining who was killed in the strike. He declined to describe them.

Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter publicly.

A local tribesman, who also spoke on condition his name not be used, said Mehsud had been at his father-in-law's house being treated for kidney pain, and had been put on a drip by a doctor, when the missile struck. The tribesman claimed he attended the Taliban chief's funeral.

Last year, a doctor for Mehsud announced the militant leader had died of kidney failure, but the reports turned out to be false.

In Afghanistan, Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi said Mehsud's fighters would cross the border into eastern Afghanistan occasionally to help out one of most ruthless Afghan insurgent leaders Siraj Haqqani.

"He was an international terrorist that affected India, Pakistan and Afghanistan," Azimi said without confirming Mehsud was dead.

In March, the State Department authorized a reward of up to $5 million for Mehsud. Increasingly, American missiles fired by unmanned drones have focused on Mehsud-related targets.

Pakistan publicly opposes the strikes, saying they anger local tribes and make it harder for the army to operate. Still, many analysts suspect the two countries have a secret deal allowing them.

Malik, the interior minister, said Pakistan's military was determined to finish off Pakistan's Taliban.

"It is a targeted law enforcement action against Baitullah Mehsud's group and it will continue till Baitullah Mehsud's group is eliminated forever," he said.

Pakistan's record on putting pressure on the Taliban network is spotty. It has used both military action and truces to try to contain Mehsud over the years, but neither tactic seemed to work, despite billions in U.S. aid aimed at helping the Pakistanis tame the tribal areas.

Mehsud was not that prominent a militant when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan in 2001 after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to Mahmood Shah, a former security chief for the tribal regions. In fact, he has struggled against such rivals as Abdullah Mehsud, an Afghan war veteran who had spent time in Guantanamo Bay.

But a February 2005 peace deal with Mehsud appeared to give him room to consolidate and boost his troop strength. Within months of that accord, dozens of pro-government tribal elders in the region were gunned down on his command.

In December 2007, Mehsud became the head of a new coalition called the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, or Pakistan's Taliban movement. Under his guidance, the group killed hundreds of Pakistanis in suicide and other attacks.

Analysts say the reason for Mehsud's rise in the militant ranks is his alliances with al-Qaida and other violent groups. U.S. intelligence has said al-Qaida has set up its operational headquarters in Mehsud's South Waziristan stronghold and neighboring North Waziristan.

Mehsud has no record of attacking targets in the West, although he has threatened to attack Washington.

However, he is suspected of being behind a 10-man cell arrested in Barcelona in January 2008 for plotting suicide attacks in Spain. Pakistan's former government and the CIA have named him as the prime suspect behind the December 2007 killing of Bhutto, the former Pakistani prime minister. He has denied a role.

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Munir Ahmad reported from Islamabad. Associated Press writers Elena Becatoros, Nahal Toosi and Zarar Khan in Islamabad, and Pamela Hess in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090807/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan
 
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Kildace

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archnemesis said:
Someone else will take his place.

Well, the dude was pretty good and managed to unify all the rival tribal factions, I'm not sure that they'll easily find someone of his caliber to replace him and the power struggle that will ensue should weaken the Taliban for at least a while.
 
archnemesis said:
Someone else will take his place.
Yes, but that doesn't mean this was pointless at all.

This shows we can take out you leadership, so you'll have to proceed with caution.

However, the ultimate end will have to be a political solution. Most of the Taliban have to move toward fighting politically in an election process. The crazy extreme ones need to be killed.

And despite what people may think, a lot of the Taliban fighters are just pragmatic fighters pissed off because someone in their family got killed or they are fighting foreigners. If they can be shown that Afghanistan gets to rule itself and that the US will leave, they'll calm down eventually.

Afghanistan is not going to become a western democracy the way we like. But at this point I think most people would settle for it just not being a terrorist haven and a total theocracy. A quasi-democracy/theocracy is probably what we'll have to settle with.
 

Zapages

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archnemesis said:
Someone else will take his place.

You guys were saying:

Mehsud, who took the Taliban's jihad into the heart of Pakistan's major cities with suicide bomb attacks, is believed to have been killed last week in a US drone attack on his father-in-law's home in south Waziristan.

Pakistani government officials and some Taliban sources said Mehsud, his father-in-law, wife, brother and seven of his fighters had been killed in the attack in the remote village of Zagara. Tribal rivals said 40 of Mehsud's fighters had also died in the attack.Reports of a violent struggle to seize control of his empire emerged over the weekend after a pro-government Taliban leader claimed two rival commanders had been killed in a shootout at a meeting of senior figures to choose his successor.

According to Haji Turkistan Betani, Wali Rahman and Hakimullah Mehsud, were killed at the meeting in the Sra Rogha district of South Waziristan, while the group's notorious head of its school of suicide bombers, Qari Hussein, was seriously injured.

Betani's account was challenged yesterday by a respected local journalist who told The Daily Telegraph that Wali Rahman had called him on Sunday evening to deny there had been a clash in the meeting. Alamgir, a Pushto-language journalist for a Peshawar-based radio station, said Rahman had denied Hakimullah Mehsud had been killed, but declined to comment on the fate of Baitullah Mehsud.

Hakimullah's failure to issue his own statement has fuelled a widespread belief that, despite Rahman's denial, he is dead, while Taliban sources say the two men had been bitter rivals before Baitullah Mehsud's death.

"It is purely the question of succession that has caused the fighting between the two commanders," said one senior tribal leader. "They are just like a gang. Religion doesn't allow kidnapping, and smuggling of narcotics or arms, but they are doing it all the same," he added.

Sources close to the local Taliban leadership said Wali Rahman will now be the favourite to take control of Baitullah Mehsud's vast fortune.

They said Mehsud had built a vast financial empire on drug and weapon smuggling, donations from al-Qaeda and wealthy Arabs. Haulage and transport bosses paid substantial "tolls" while wealthy businessmen from Waziristan living in other Pakistani cities were warned their relatives would be beheaded if they did not pay up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ght-for-control-of-dead-leaders-millions.html
 
Mehsud, who took the Taliban's jihad into the heart of Pakistan's major cities with suicide bomb attacks, is believed to have been killed last week in a US drone attack on his father-in-law's home in south Waziristan.

A US drone saved Pakistan?
 

siddx

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Someone else will indeed take his place, but it is very unlikely that whomever does will be anywhere near as effective as mehsud was.
 

pakkit

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A US drone saved Pakistan?
...No. The US helped bring the Taliban into power.

The death of a high-ranking official means very little, though. We nixed the main bad guys in Iraq, and look how quickly and quietly that violence subdued.
 
pakkit said:
...No. The US helped bring the Taliban into power.

The death of a high-ranking official means very little, though. We nixed the main bad guys in Iraq, and look how quickly and quietly that violence subdued.

Are you sure you want to get into a game about whom helped the Taliban into power?
 

pakkit

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Instigator said:
Are you sure you want to get into a game about whom helped the Taliban into power?
You're going to deny that the US had any involvement in the Taliban's ascension to power? Anyway, I was more just pointing out the silliness to assume that the "US has saved Pakistan." I've heard that one before.
 
pakkit said:
You're going to deny that the US had any involvement in the Taliban's ascension to power? Anyway, I was more just pointing out the silliness to assume that the "US has saved Pakistan." I've heard that one before.

I'm not denying anything. Are you? :D

But you seemed to have forgotten this is a Zapages topic and there was irony he'd be celebrating a US drone attack.
 

xbhaskarx

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"Baitullah Mehsud and his wife died in the American missile attack"

So they killed his wife? His wife, being a mere woman, probably had no involvement in the Taliban.
So that means those imperialist American pigs killed yet another civilian in yet another illegal missile strike on Pakistan's sovereign territory.

lol
 

Chrono

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I love how GAF's reaction to any of these killings is LOLZ SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE HIS PLACE. Maybe Obama should invite them all to dinner at the white house instead and work out their differences? :lol

pakkit said:
...No. The US helped bring the Taliban into power.

The death of a high-ranking official means very little, though. We nixed the main bad guys in Iraq, and look how quickly and quietly that violence subdued.

The US supported the Afghan resistance during the soviet invasion, which was the right thing to do, and the Taliban rose later during the civil war that ensued that took over with support from the muslim countries of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Who's really to blame for the Taliban though, is their ideology and the people that live in the holy desert of saudi arabia that support it. If you want to trace the blame down completely, it goes all the way back to 'prophet' mohammad.

But blame America instead.
 

SUPREME1

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Chrono said:
I love how GAF's reaction to any of these killings is LOLZ SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE HIS PLACE. Maybe Obama should invite them all to dinner at the white house instead and work out their differences? :lol



The US supported the Afghan resistance during the soviet invasion, which was the right thing to do, and the Taliban rose later during the civil war that ensued that took over with support from the muslim countries of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Who's really to blame for the Taliban though, is their ideology and the people that live in the holy desert of saudi arabia that support it. If you want to trace the blame down completely, it goes all the way back to 'prophet' mohammad.

But blame America instead.



/thread.


Though you failed to mention the ISI by name. They deifintely need to be included on any list which names those who've directly manipulated Afghanistan and the Taliban.


Edit: Video of US attack chopper observing 'insurgents' placing IED on road. Drop some fury on their ass.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/08/10/von.afghan.insurgent.usdod
 
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