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PAL Charts - Week 48

Psychotext said:
I only added that in after this...


Not sure who is right... you guys work it out. :lol


RITE SO YOU DUN TRUST ME ?

test_account> actually, it's not your fault or your browser's either. For some reason, they post the charts during the friday, but the main link to the charts still points to the previous week. They only update the link on the next monday. Go figure.
So the only way to get the latest charts on friday is to use the full URL (with the dates) from a previous week, and replace the week's number.
 
Parl said:
Wii and DS did really well in the charts week 29 to week 35 (the 6 to 7 weeks of school holidays) in the UK, and on the charts in other big European countries too. As a chart indicates how well software does relative to each other, it is by no means a good indicator of how well software is doing in absolute terms. Your hypothesis is that Wii software sales were higher in the summer for Wii in UK than it was during the times before and after, because of the trends in the charts.

With the same logic, the same can be said for much of the rest of Europe too, where Wii software performed just as well, if not better, in the charts (and less well now).

But were Wii software sales really higher in the summer holidays in Europe than they were before?

Using the UK weighted chart graph as a general indicator for Wii performance on the software charts In Europe...

One could assume that the period of July-September (27-39, containing the summer holidays) would have significantly higher software sales than the April-June period (14-26).

Evidence to contrary is that Wii software shipments for Europe are.

Apr-Jun: 17,160,000
Jul-Sep: 15,670,000

It is possible, although unlikely, that Wii software sales in Europe were higher in FYQ2 than FYQ1, due to inflated shipments in Q1. There was a trend of short stock with Wii Fit and Mario Kart. If shipments were not absurdly higher than demand in Q1 compared to Q2, then it's clear that software sales in Europe, rather than being higher, were lower in July-September.

In conclusion for the UK Wii software sales to have been higher for the quarter containing the summer holidays, its shipment/sales trends must have been vastly different than the rest of Europe's, meaning that the rest of Europe's software sales/shipments weren't just slightly lower in the summer holiday quarter, but massively lower, as UK takes up such a significant chunk the European software market. Given that Wii was dominating the charts in this period in other European countries, this is unlikely.

If there really were substantially higher Wii software sales in the UK during the summer months than there were during the periods before and after, I wouldn't take much issue with the hypothesis that this was because parents are buying games for kids during that period. But the evidence points towards a fairly flat, or slight dip, in absolute performance for Wii software sales.

IMO, this illustrates the danger of using numberless charts, which only show relative performance of software sales, and even assumes that the total software sales for all platforms is exactly the same each week. It's possible, and has likely happened numerous times, that performance on the weighted software chart can decrease, but also that performance in the real world hard software numbers can increase. Due to the legs of popular Wii software, Wii's performance on the charts will be strongest in periods where there's few big new software releases, and weakest where there's loads, ie, immediately after the summer holidays.
Whilst that was a detailed analysis unfortunatly it was a flawed one. The problem is that with the july-september shipment numbers you have used from nintendo, out of the 13 weeks that it covers only 6 of those weeks were official school holiday weeks with a further 2 weeks open to debate as the last two weeks of a school year hardly any work takes place after exams and such events as sports day. So 5-7 of those weeks were non holiday weeks. For all you know across europe for the 6-8 weeks worth of holidays that took place 10 million peices of software were sold and only 5.67 million peices of software were sold during the other 5-7 weeks, meaning that during the school holidays wii sales went up. Again the same can be said for april-june sales, where out of the 13 weeks that it covers 7 weeks were school holidays and 6 weren't and for all you know more software sales took place during the holidays. In short what you have written doesn't disprove anything i have said.
Parl said:
Also, hardware sales...
If they also went up during the summer holidays in UK, then they went down during the same period in the rest of Europe to balance it out.

I don't know where you are looking at on the chart but the chart backs up what i've said about increased sales not what you said. When this chart came out people did some pixel counting and worked out the sales each week to the nearest thousand:
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From the first school school term of the year (weeks 2-6) average hardware sales were 87,800 per week, the average over the following school holiday (weeks 7-8) was 102,000.

During the weeks 9-23 there were 7 weeks of school holidays and 8 weeks of non school holidays. The average weekly sales of non holiday weeks was 105,000 whilst the school holiday average was 130,100.

Then finally from weeks 24-42 (i would go further but that's where the charts data ends) there were 6-8 weeks of school holidays and 11 weeks on non holidays. Average non holiday sales were 114,800 whilst average holiday sales were 120,100.

In every case the school holiday average is higher than the non school holiday average of weekly sales, and the reason why the summer holiday average is even remotely close to the non summer holiday everage is that before the holiday started wii fit and mario kart wii finally came back into stock which increased sales over what they normally would have been and after the summer holidays from the end of september onwards computer game sales naturally go up the closer you get to christmas anyway.
 
Was watching some boring show on mtv today (Hogan something)... During one single commercial break, there was 2x Resistance2 commercials, 1x Need for speed playstation family commercial, 3x Wii commercials (Some MySims expansion and animal crossing) and 1x Prince of Persia Xbox360 commercial.

Thats fucking insane. I think there was only one non-console commercial during that break.
 
Raist said:
RITE SO YOU DUN TRUST ME ?

test_account> actually, it's not your fault or your browser's either. For some reason, they post the charts during the friday, but the main link to the charts still points to the previous week. They only update the link on the next monday. Go figure.
So the only way to get the latest charts on friday is to use the full URL (with the dates) from a previous week, and replace the week's number.
Ah ok, i see now that there is one link that is alittle different than the one that i used. Ye, wonder why they have 2 links like this. I had no idea that there were 2 links, i think i have always used the link that i wrote earlier in a post here (the one that just ends with .hbs or something). I will try to remember the new link instead of the other link that i first used. Thanks for pointing this out and thanks for the info! :)
 
Raist said:
For some reason, they post the charts during the friday, but the main link to the charts still points to the previous week. They only update the link on the next monday. Go figure.

I think it's because they publish the chart in the newspaper on Mondays.

Anyway, Resistance 2 only at #12 in its first week was surprising. Didn't people enjoy the first one?
 
Belgorim said:
Was watching some boring show on mtv today (Hogan something)... During one single commercial break, there was 2x Resistance2 commercials, 1x Need for speed playstation family commercial, 3x Wii commercials (Some MySims expansion and animal crossing) and 1x Prince of Persia Xbox360 commercial.

Thats fucking insane. I think there was only one non-console commercial during that break.

I haven't seen any R2 ads yet, but I hope they aren't as bad as the LBP ones. The PSP ones aren't actually too bad, but overall Sony should probably sack whatever agency they are employing at the moment.
 
Tideas said:
if hardcore gaf does not like the ad, then the ad is a great one.

Eh, what the hell is that supposed to mean? My problem with the LBP ads is that it's not aimed enough at the casual user. I'm thinking specifically of the ones that feature levels created by people. The ad is never explicit about the fact that it is a user created level, it's starting point is that it already assumes people know that in LBP you can create levels and upload them, and download other user created levels. They really needed to take a page out of Nintendo's book and break down what you can do in the game and just out and out say it.
 
Brakara said:
I think it's because they publish the chart in the newspaper on Mondays.
Ye, that might be why, thanks for the info! :)


Brakara said:
Anyway, Resistance 2 only at #12 in its first week was surprising. Didn't people enjoy the first one?
I agree that it is alittle suprising, but i just looked back and it seems that when the PS3 was launched in Europe/Norway, the only 2 FPS games for the PS3 was Resistance 1 and Call of Duty 3. It seems that Oblivion was the 3rd FPS (maybe not a standard FPS though) game to be released for the PS3 in Norway, which i think was about 5-6 weeks later. After that, i think the next FPS was Rainbow 6: Vegas, which was released about 3 months later after the launch of the PS3 in Europe. It might be that i have forgotten a few FPS titles for the PS3 within this time period. Please correct me if i am wrong though, but i cant think of any more FPS titles for the PS3 within this time period atleast :\

The relatively little competition in the FPS category for the PS3 in the begining might have been one of the reasons why Resistance 1 charted higher to begin with compared to Resistance 2, or that several of people didnt like Resistance 1 enough to be interested in Resistance 2 as you asked, atleast not interested enough to buy Resistance 2 within the first week after it's release. Resistance 1 was also a pack-in game with the PS3 for some time, that probably helped alittle on the charting positions as well :)
 
I don't think I understand the launch title excuse. Halo was a launch title for the Xbox, but Halo 2 still sold more. If the first game is good, then you would expect people to want the sequel. I can understand losing interest in a non-story driven game sequel (like PGR4 and Motorstorm 2), but Resistance is (from what I've heard) anything but that.
 
I did my bit :)

Picked up a PS3 with Resistance 2, LBP and Prince of Persia (arrived yesterday) on the 29th. Might look into picking up the first as well - I'm sure I can find it for ÂŁ10-15 now.
 
test_account said:
Did he say it in an "arrogant" way?

No, but it was very apparant that he was eager to mention the PS3 even if it didn't fit the topic. He said it in the usual pathetic forum way; You know like he was thinking that to mention the PS3 as much as he can, no matter the context, that it in some way helps him, Sony and the PS3 to..."win". Trust me, it was weird.
 
Brakara said:
I don't think I understand the launch title excuse. Halo was a launch title for the Xbox, but Halo 2 still sold more. If the first game is good, then you would expect people to want the sequel. I can understand losing interest in a non-story driven game sequel (like PGR4 and Motorstorm 2), but Resistance is (from what I've heard) anything but that.
What i mean with the launch title excuse (which i think is an "valid" excuse or what i shall say :)) is that launch titles can have an advantage over other games that are released maybe some years after the launch of a gaming system.

When people buy a console at launch, then i assume that people usually want to buy one or several of games to the gaming system as well. If you have i.e 10 games to choose from at launch, then people might want to chose the game(s) that looks the most interesting out of those 10 games. When a sequel to a launch title game is released i.e 2 years later, then you might have i.e 50 games to choose from compared to the 10 games that you had to choose from at launch. The competition is then bigger and other games might seem more interesting to people, which might result in a lower opening to the game(s) that has a sequel to a game that was released at a console launch.

Of course, in the end it does down to how much interest the people have in the game(s). If people have a high interest for a game, then there might be a bigger chance that this game will see a higher sale compared to if the interest for a game is lower. If the interest for a game (like Halo 2 as you mention) increases, then the sales for the sequel might have a good chance to sell more than the previous game(s) in the serie :) I am not saying anything against that. I just wanted to say that being a launch title might be more benefitial compared to another game (or a sequel) that is released i.e 2 years after the launch of a gaming system.


However, a lower opening to a sequel does not necessarily mean that the people didnt enjoy the previous game(s). To take an example about my situation, i would say that i enjoyed the 3 previous Prince of Persia games, but right now i have no plans on buying the newly released Prince of Persia game sometime in the near future.

It is not because i didnt like the previous Prince of Persia games that i wont buy the new Prince of Persia game soon, it is mostly because that i feel that i already have enough games to play right now. My interest for the new Prince of Persia isnt exactly mega high either, but i do have plans to get the game :) I will most likely buy the new Prince of Persia game sometime in the future, but right now i have no dircet plans on when i will buy it.

I think that there is a possibilty that this could be the same situation with Resistance 2 as well, that people might be waiting to buy it. It is not like that i belive that Resistance 2 will see a huge boost in sales in the upcomming weeks or anything, but i think that Resistance 2 can end up selling relatively good eventhought that the launch seems to be lower compared to how the launch was with Resistance 1.


Another thing we can think about is the userbase. The userbase of the PS3 is bigger now then it was around the first weeks and months after the launch of the PS3. If the userbase is bigger, then it might be a bigger chance that more people will buy a game, because then it might more potentional customers compared to if the userbase was smaller.

I think it is very hard to say how the situation is with Resistance 2 though (or any other game that is in the same situation with a slower start compared to the previous games in a serie). People who bought a PS3 relatevely late after the launch might not have picked up Resistance 1 since there are now more games to choose from at launch.


I am sorry for the relatively long reply here, but to sum up it: Being a launch title might have some advantages because at launch there are usually less games to choose from compared to i.e 2 years after the launch of a gaming system.

If a sequel to a game sells less copies in the first week(s) compared to the previous game(s) in a serie, then i think it doesnt necessarily means that they didnt enjoy the previous game(s) in the serie. It can be several of reasons why they wait to buy it. Or it can be that they have lost the interest or didnt enjoy the previos game(s) in the serie of course. It is hard to say :\ But what i just wrote are just my opinions and my thoughs around that Resistance 2 seemed to have a slower launch compared to Resistance 1.

:)


bj00rn_ said:
No, but it was very apparant that he was eager to mention the PS3 even if it didn't fit the topic. He said it in the usual pathetic forum way; You know like he was thinking that to mention the PS3 as much as he can, no matter the context, that it in some way helps him, Sony and the PS3 to..."win". Trust me, it was weird.
Ye, i can understand that, i was just wondering how he acted :) Thanks for the answer! :)
 
bj00rn_ said:
No, but it was very apparant that he was eager to mention the PS3 even if it didn't fit the topic. He said it in the usual pathetic forum way; You know like he was thinking that to mention the PS3 as much as he can, no matter the context, that it in some way helps him, Sony and the PS3 to..."win". Trust me, it was weird.

Sounds like gamespot in America except replace Ps3 with 360.
 
UK Charts Week 49


1 1 MARIO KART WII WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
3 2 DR KAWASHIMA'S BRAIN TRAINING DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
2 3 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR XB360 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
8 4 WII FIT WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
4 5 WII PLAY WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
5 6 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR PS3 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
11 7 GEARS OF WAR 2 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
29 8 FALLOUT 3 XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
31 9 FABLE II XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
6 10 RESISTANCE 2 PS3 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
7 11 WII MUSIC WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
22 12 NINTENDOGS: LAB & FRIENDS DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
- 13 ANIMAL CROSSING: LET'S GO TO THE CITY WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
17 14 MORE BRAIN TRAINING FROM DR KAWASHIMA DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
9 15 NEED FOR SPEED: UNDERCOVER XB360 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS
27 16 GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS: THE VIDEOGAME WII WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE
25 17 TOMB RAIDER: UNDERWORLD XB360 EIDOS EIDOS
21 18 MARIO & SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES WII SEGA SEGA
16 19 KUNG FU PANDA XB360 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
15 20 LEGO INDIANA JONES: ORIGINAL ADVENTURES XB360 LUCASARTS LUCASARTS
28 21 LITTLEBIGPLANET PS3 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
12 22 BIG BRAIN ACADEMY DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
13 23 FIFA 09 XB360 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
23 24 FIFA 09 PS3 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
10 25 NEED FOR SPEED: UNDERCOVER PS3 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS
30 26 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 3: SENIOR YEAR DS DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
19 27 CARNIVAL: FUNFAIR GAMES WII 2KPLAY TAKE 2
20 28 PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 4 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
- 29 FAR CRY 2 XB360 UBISOFT UBISOFT
26 30 TOMB RAIDER: UNDERWORLD PS3 EIDOS EIDOS
- 31 COOKING GUIDE: CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO EAT? DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
14 32 FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 PC SEGA SEGA
24 33 SEGA SUPERSTARS TENNIS XB360 SEGA SEGA
34 34 RAYMAN RAVING RABBIDS TV PARTY WII UBISOFT UBISOFT
- 35 IMAGINE: TEACHER DS GAMES FOR EVERYONE UBISOFT
- 36 SHAUN WHITE SNOWBOARDING WII UBISOFT UBISOFT
- 37 LIPS XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
- 38 FALLOUT 3 PS3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
35 39 MARIO KART DS DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
- 40 SINGSTAR ABBA PS2 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.

XB360 - 13
WII - 10
NDS - 8
PS3 - 7
PC - 1
PS2 - 1
 
29 8 FALLOUT 3 XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
31 9 FABLE II XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT

That is a big jump up the chart for Fallout and Fable.

edit:

I see the Demo didn`t hurt afterall.

25 17 TOMB RAIDER: UNDERWORLD XB360 EIDOS EIDOS
26 30 TOMB RAIDER: UNDERWORLD PS3 EIDOS EIDOS
 
11 7 GEARS OF WAR 2 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
29 8 FALLOUT 3 XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
31 9 FABLE II XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
Interesting cluster of jumps here. Were Fable and Fallout on sale, or is this an indication of hardware moving?

Edit: why hello thar Karma
 
GhaleonEB said:
11 7 GEARS OF WAR 2 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
29 8 FALLOUT 3 XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
31 9 FABLE II XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
Interesting cluster of jumps here. Were Fable and Fallout on sale, or is this an indication of hardware moving?

Edit: why hello thar Karma

Both Fable and Fallout have been reduced to as low as ÂŁ20.

Strange Prince of Persia didn't chart at all, usually new games make an appearance.

I feel sorry for anyone buying Resistance 2 though, I'm just glad I used my Game points and got it for ÂŁ5.

EDIT: Tomb Raider 360 is now above PS3 after its debut week and Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy being that high for the 360 means they must be selling a lot of consoles.
 
GhaleonEB said:
11 7 GEARS OF WAR 2 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
29 8 FALLOUT 3 XB360 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
31 9 FABLE II XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT
Interesting cluster of jumps here. Were Fable and Fallout on sale, or is this an indication of hardware moving?

Edit: why hello thar Karma

Wow. Very impressive stuff.
 
I've seen zero advertising for Prince of Persia over here, I completely forgot it was even released last week :s

I guess that's the danger of releasing too late in the Q4 period, everything before that is starting to get into a nice stride and get some decent word of mouth.

Might be a nice ÂŁ20 purchase in a few weeks though :p
 
I've seen a couple of adverts for PoP. Looks like it just missed out on the top 40 though (which isn't great whichever way you look at it) as it's in the top 40 in the value charts. PS3>360 as well.
 
Katana_Strikes said:
I've seen a couple of adverts for PoP. Looks like it just missed out on the top 40 though (which isn't great whichever way you look at it) as it's in the top 40 in the value charts. PS3>360 as well.

LBP outsold both versions combined. It burned hard..
 
Another improvement for Tomb Raider 360, so much for the "Exclusive demo and DLC epic backfire" nonsense from a few weeks ago.

Looks like those sickening Animal Crossing adverts are helping, I'd just like to say how much I hate those adverts.... even if the blonde woman in them is a hottie.
 
Impressive peformance by Fable II, Fallout 3 (360) and Gears 2.

And holy **** at Mario Kart Wii and Brain Training!

Insignificant bump for LBP. Will fall again next week.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
How the hell is PoP being outsold by fucking Tomb Raider? SMH UK.

I didn't even know PoP was out thought it was out this Friday . haven't seen any advertising for it.

Ubisoft what are you doing?
 
Frillen said:
Impressive peformance by Fable II, Fallout 3 (360) and Gears 2.

And holy **** at Mario Kart Wii and Brain Training!

Insignificant bump for LBP. Will fall again next week.

Why will it fall next week?
 
Dabanton said:
I didn't even know PoP was out thought it was out this Friday . haven't seen any advertising for it.

Ubisoft what are you doing?
There is a 360-branded TV ad doing the rounds. It's crap, though. Nowhere near as good as last years AC ad.

sionyboy said:
If anyone would like to give little Prince a home this Christmas, and help him in his struggle up the charts -

360
PS3

ÂŁ31.44 delivered when you use the code WINTER10
Like I have said before: It'll be ÂŁ20 before Christmas. Especially now. :D
 
Along the same line, Tomb Raider Underworld has actually turned out to be a fairly big hit for Eidos this year, and it has shown substantial legs compared to Anniversary (its at #5 in the All Format charts this week).

At least Ubi has Far Cry. :/
 
I thought Singstar Abba had the potential to be a hit on PS3/PS2 given its riding on the success of Mamma Mia. I think that the sing-a-long special feature on the dvd release really threw a spanner in the works of the big-ass advertising campaign Sony have put out for it.
 
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