boiled goose
good with gravy
If true nintendo is really confused about what its fanbase and other gamers want haha.
crossing my fingers that this is false.
crossing my fingers that this is false.
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Paul Gale Network Bullshit: "Star Fox Metroid: Fusion Saga" isn't real (no shit!)
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Spiffy_1st
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What if Falco is a Chozo and he was the one that raised Samus?
Spieler Eins
Member
This is one of the most stupid rumors I've seen in recent times.
Maybe they are making both Starfox and Metroid though? (meh)
Maybe they are making both Starfox and Metroid though? (meh)
Paul Gale
Member
To you for linking back to my articles that proved that everything I said about PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (Title Fight) was correct far before April, 2011's video reveal, thank you. For the first person that said I conveniently posted stuff after it happened, that's incorrect. My information was out 6 months before anyone else's.
This time I'm telling you from the get-go: rumor, that's all. Some are already saying it's a cool idea that they'd play, some (most it seems) think it's horrible. Nintendo does so much R&D that I highly doubt they'd do something that not the majority of their company wasn't in favor of.
If this is real, it's for a reason: Nintendo and Retro Studios found the perfect formula for making such a crazy idea work. If it's fake, then when the idea was presented, Nintendo said, "mmm, interesting thought but just not the right fit for what we're trying to achieve as Retro's next big game". 'Nuff said.
Metroid Prime is Essentially a translation of the Super Metroid Formula into 3D. It has just as much Sci-fi as previous games in the series. It's just as much of a shooter as previous game in the series. The one "risk" was making the game take place from a first person perspective instead of a Third person one.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Yeah, same here.
If this is real, its a Retro Studios game and I'm therefore probably going to buy it. I doubt it is real though, but its certainly piqued my curiousity. The concern is that, while being absorbed into a deep dark world in the forgotten part of the universe, Samus' progression is interrupted with a cheery chirpy Starfox level. The clash of styles and vulgar jump from one set of mechanics to the other, could test my patience in unfortunate ways.
If they could approach such a concept with the ambition and meticulousness of Metroid Prime/DKC Returns, it could be some mad mad genius that I can't even fathom.
Bring on E3.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Nintendo popularized FPS on consoles with goldeneye
Metroid has always been Sci Fi
Metroid prime has as much shooting as any other metroid
This post doesnt make any sense...
tkscz
Member
I doubt this is true though. Even so, it's being made by fucking retro. All the hate from people is ridiculous.
APZonerunner
Member
Maybe Ridley is from Dinosaur Planet!
Metroid Prime was just Super Metroid in 3D. Super Metroid was both Sci-Fi and an adventure game with Shooter elements just like MP. The First Person view was Miyamoto's idea. Miyamoto loves first person view, he originally wanted OoT to be first person. If anyone defines typical Nintendo, it's Miyamoto.
Metroid Prime was a game that reeked of Nintendo sensibility.
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Anyway, definitive proof this won't happen. Whilst Discussing Metroid Prime 3:
I can be read quite plainly here, Retro Studio perfectly understands that unnaturally mixing together two genres together in a disjointed way is not a good idea. This rumour is a direct contradiction of that attitude.
Hmmmm Fusion Saga as a new, massive IP of what if situations?
I...I think i want this lol. If they nail the balance between cheese/funny and high profile adventure (see Kid Icarus Uprising), this could be awesome. Or terrible...i dunno
boiled goose
good with gravy
as EC pointed out, the reason why ppl are defensive is because it is a strange crossover given the very different tone and universes of the series. star fox is extremely cartoony and cheesy and has humanoid foxes and frogs and that is why it is great. metroid has a more serious and realistic feel to it.
While this game could be fun, it will not be the metroid fans have been waiting for.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The hate stems from this being a dumb fuck fifth grader level of fan fiction stupid that molests two fanbases with seemingly no good intentions at all. Everything you could do with what is being described here could be done with either franchise individually, or with something entirely new.
The only reason this would exist is to take a big, steaming wet shit on both Star Fox and Metroid fans, and show Nintendo has completely lost the plot with their own franchises.
If this were true, may god have mercy on their souls, because nobody else will.
What if, rather than making fox's world all freaky and realistic, they made Samus' world more cartoony and vibrant. Metroid fusion was crazy bright and colorful, so I'd be interested to see how Retro could create a cohesive art style.
...toon metroid, anyone?
I don't care for either approach.
Paul Gale
Member
You are correct.
Should've tossed F-Zero in there. Oh well, gotta save something for the sequel.
I kinda hope this isn't true, just because I wanted to be totally surprised by what Retro's working on at E3. And also because while I love Metroid, I've never really been a fan of Star Fox.
But if Retro's working on it, I'm sure it'll be great.
I kinda hope this isn't true, just because I wanted to be totally surprised by what Retro's working on at E3. And also because while I love Metroid, I've never really been a fan of Star Fox.
But if Retro's working on it, I'm sure it'll be great.
Mama Robotnik
Member
What if, rather than making fox's world all freaky and realistic, they made Samus' world more cartoony and vibrant. Metroid fusion was crazy bright and colorful, so I'd be interested to see how Retro could create a cohesive art style.
...toon metroid, anyone?
Ha, those abandoned Nintendo Toon Metroid concept pieces may get dusted off!
(still don't believe the rumour, but I'm not hostile to it either)
boiled goose
good with gravy
amen
Cygnus X-1
Member
Nintendo? The game was made by Rare and since it wasn't a NIntendo IP in the first place I don't see why Nintendo should be acknowledged for a game they didn't develop.
APZonerunner
Member
In fairness, if that quote is for MP3 it's what, 3 years old at this point at least? Stuff changes. R&D happens. Ideas happen. Maybe somebody, y'know, figured it out? I can go back and find quotes from 5 years ago that say online gaming is a fad, or that mobile gaming will never be big, or further, quotes that controlling a character in 3D space will never be intuitive. I can find quotes from Sony and MS that motion controls are useless and pointless. I can find quotes from Bioware that say multiplayer isn't a fit for Mass Effect... shit happens and things change.
Further you really have to put that quote through PR filter, too. As much as game design philosophy that also sounds like pre-emptive way of shutting down people who were complaining for ship combat in Metroid (who did exist.)
2 franchises Nintendo no longer gives a fuck about since they aren't big sellers, what to do with them? Just dump them together in one game irregardless if it makes sense or not.
Anyway calling bullshit on this, retro making a starfox game yeah for sure but this sounds like a load of crap.
Anyway calling bullshit on this, retro making a starfox game yeah for sure but this sounds like a load of crap.
Rare was a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo at the time. You're just grasping for straws here.
electroshockwave
Member
Well, fuck. Sorry Paul. I'm still skeptical as fuck on this fusion saga rumour.
Willkiller
Banned
Huh?! That could be interesting I guess. To me though the Metroid series isn't the one that needs re-inventing. Just give me another Prime type game for the Wii U and a Super/Fusion type game for the 3DS.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
This is absolutely stupid...
The rumor basically says that there are two game being made bundled in one; which is illogical.
I mean, it's just easier to release both games and make one true ending, besides the ending both games have, so you can see the ending completing both games, like Zelda OOS/OOA (which were awesome btw).
Also, we have seen Fox doing solo missions, and Samus could perfectly have air missions, so there is really no point mixing both characters.
In the end, it's just a rumor, and a shitty one...
The rumor basically says that there are two game being made bundled in one; which is illogical.
I mean, it's just easier to release both games and make one true ending, besides the ending both games have, so you can see the ending completing both games, like Zelda OOS/OOA (which were awesome btw).
Also, we have seen Fox doing solo missions, and Samus could perfectly have air missions, so there is really no point mixing both characters.
In the end, it's just a rumor, and a shitty one...
No it wasn't.
Criminal Upper
Banned
I'll believe it when I see it.
While I thank the guy for always stating that it's a rumor, I have to wonder: why even announce it (the rumor) and make a splash about it if it really is just one of those R&D ideas that nintendo plays and teases with and never releases. I know there are far worse gaming rumors that are taken more seriously on the strength of not being as honest as this but... don't know. let's see what E3 brings.
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boiled goose
good with gravy
Rare was as much Nintendo as Retro was Nintendo when MP was developed.
sorry buddy. time to surrender your point.
I'm fine with the former but not the latter.
APZonerunner
Member
Nintendo owned 51%, so they had a controlling stake but never really outright controlled the studio. They could go elsewhere, like when Nintendo didn't want to publish Conker's Bad Fur Day THQ picked it up and Nintendo still got a cut thanks to owning 51% of the studio.
While Nintendo reps undoubtedly had roles, the lion's share of Goldeneye's concepts and ideas was likely Rare's doing. I think you can attribute the level of quality and polish to Nintendo, though, as they really pushed that in Rare which is why Rare developed games with a depth and quality that was rarely (HA HA) seen in Western studios at the time.
Same for Donkey Kong Country; we've all seen the quotes about how Miyamoto hated those games and thought they were shit/dumb/bad compared to Mario World.
I suppose the question is the difference between publisher and developer. How much of Mass Effect 2/3 do you attribute to EA versus Bioware? How much of Halo do you attribute to Microsoft versus Bungie? Microsoft and EA undoubtedly had a profound effect on those games/franchises, but the actual core of the projects clearly came from the studios. I'd argue the same of Metroid Prime; Retro took the concepts from the old Metroid games and rebuilt them with a Western sensibility. Quotes from Retro and things point to Nintendo's main influence being on the quality of the experience rather than the core design - Miyamoto coming in and telling them to tweak this, that, the other rather than day-to-day involvement.
Yes, someone else who gets it.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Nintendo owned 49%...
The Bond IP was licensed to Nintendo at the time...
Intelligence doesn't just disintegrate into thin air. Retro knew back then that pointlessly tacking on ship combat into a Metroid prime game was a bad idea since the incoherent gameplay philosophies would detract from each other. One or both gameplay types would have suffered to realise that concept, since that's essentially building two different games into one.
Given that Retro already knows this, why would they go ahead with this retarded fanfic idea that is even more disjointed and unnatural than the above example? This litterally would be making two games in one for absolutely no logical reason.
boiled goose
good with gravy
that would somehow make it much better.
tkscz
Member
Going to quote movie bob here, There are no bad ideas for a movie, just bad execution of the idea for a movie. Same can be said about video games. If anyone can take this idea and make it seem good it's Retro. Now, I still don't think it's true, but if it is, I'm not jumping to any conclusions on it being dumb or not. I mean, Other M happened.
APZonerunner
Member
I maintain that things can change. They may think they have the best solution and idea of all time to that problem. They might be right, they might be wrong.
Alternatively: Nintendo told them to make it work. Nintendo said, please make these franchises gel together into one title. Go. Nintendo can do that.
I mean, that's ultimately a PR quote. Their job is to sell the game. Metroid Prime 3 had no ship combat, so they have to make that sound like the best decision they could've made. That's PR - if they're told to sell Apples they'll sell apples. If in the next game they have to sell oranges they'll go out and tell everyone the apples are shit and oranges are THE shit. That's the job, right?
Drat. Close. So the Stampers owned 51%; so Nintendo didn't even have a controlling stake, then. Point stands.
Paul Gale
Member
No problem, dude.
And if this thing is true, perhaps it should be called "Fusion: Star Fox - Metroid" and if it does well, Nintendo could do other Fusion titles like "Fusion: Mario - Donkey Kong" and "Fusion: Pokemon - Fire Emblem".Hah, that'd be quite the change for the company and pretty unnecessary, but it'd help make for a little more sense to this story. Can't believe that E3 is so soon. Then there won't be any rumors to put up, plain and simple.