How about I shrink wrap the whole package and then Drakon it up with a Peter North level of hot glue as well?
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PC Engine/TG Appreciation and Collecting Thread, Because who needs a 2nd controller?
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How about I shrink wrap the whole package and then Drakon it up with a Peter North level of hot glue as well?
IrishNinja
Member
As an extra special edition, I will pack it inside an Elemental Gearbolt case. The gun and Gearbolt game will be missing, but the case will contain photographs of them being destroyed with a hammer.
speedlolita
Member
I think the Japanese black GunCon looks nicer anyway.
Oooooooooh NOW there's gonna be a fight in this thread
You are now imagining Peter North jizzing buckets all over a Duo-R.
Have fun with that.
Whoa, who said anything about anything other than hot glue? Come on, dude. Everyone knows what an arts n crafts guy Peter North was.
The problem is that it doesn't stop there. Soon you'll need a Turbo Grafx. Then you'll realize you could be playing all your games while you poop and you'll need a Turbo Express. Then you'll realize you don't need a car, and you'll trade it for a PC Engine LT.
Then you'll realize your hate your life and buy a SuperGrafx as you swirl into a deep, dark depression that not even Daimakaimura can save you from.
Around the time you realize that the SuperGrafx was only released in Japan and therefore it seems odd to call it that when their systems were only called the PC Engine there and never the Turbografx, you will aim a loaded Glock 17C pistol and place it squarely upon your temple, firing the gun and welcoming the sweet embrace of death as your lifeless corpse bleeds out all over the brand new carpet that you just got for only 50 cents per square foot, what a deal! Your corpse will lie there for several weeks, never being discovered by your loved ones (as you don't have any), only attracting attention because the neighbors felt your house smelled slightly more pungent than usual.
Or I dunno maybe you'll have better self control then that.
Get a region-modded Duo-R. That's really all you need. A Supergrafx is a bit of a waste and you need a TurboExpress about as much as you need a Sega Nomad (ie, not at all).
foobarry81
Member
Wow wow... there's a whole lot of twisting words and ripping out of context going on here.
First of all those two quotes you highlighted.
x "First of all, this is probably the most extreme case you could've possible come up with, and I think you are well aware of it. Let me remind you that this discussion started off with Sapphire on PC Engine, and its bootlegs."
x "But there really is no need for nuance here."
How do these two contradict? The latter quote simply said that a bootleg is, by its very nature, thievery. What you forgot to quote is that I said that there is room for nuance when it comes to the perception of all the players involved. But that doesn't make the bootleg in itself any less of a wrongdoing. A bootleg doesn't become "good" all of a sudden if it's only for personal use.
The former is taken from a larger explanation where it says that even in the most extreme of cases a bootleg for personal use is questionable/ethically wrong. So in both cases bootlegging is wrong. Again: where is the contradiction?
As for the term of the "author's desire". This is, among other reasons, why I agree with most on here that IP law could use an update. The problem right now is that the authors are often not the rights holders. Which is not how it should be. At this point though Ryuichi Nishizawa literally has nothing whatsoever to say about the games he worked on because of how copyright works. He signed a contract, and agreed to part with any claims he could have on the game's ownership. And was likely/hopefully well compensated for it. I'm sure you're well aware of this.
So clearly it's quite absurd on your part to use some random statement from a person who has at this point nothing to say about a game he created whatsoever, since he parted with any claims, as a license to go pirate it. That person could've said it out of spite, in an attempt to damage his former employer, who knows. Or he could genuinely want more people to get to play his game. The fact still remains though that whatever he says doesn't make it ok to pirate a game he has no say over.
Hope this clarifies that when I spoke about the author's prerogative, that in an ideal world it really means the author, but in the current reality it is the rights holder.
Ban Puncher
Member
Stop your shit.
I think it would be the horrible realization that Daimakaimura's port on the Genesis for $25 or whatever is better than the one I just tracked down an obscure and useless SuperGrafx and paid hundreds for rare adapter plates for. That'd be what did me in.
speedlolita
Member
I would probably just suggest picking up Capcom Generations 2 for PlayStation or Saturn.
Only if it's crazy expensive on Saturn. I don't want it unless I can't have it.
sixteen-bit
Member
Capcom Generations 2 is neat. You should probably get it on Playstation instead of the Saturn game tho because Choumakaimura displays in the correct aspect ratio.
Whether u go Saturn or PS1, It runs so much better than the SNES original (SLOWmakaimura, lol).
Whether u go Saturn or PS1, It runs so much better than the SNES original (SLOWmakaimura, lol).
That was another game disc I used to own before trading it in many years ago. It doesn't seem to have gone up that much from the time of its original release and what importers were charging back then.
Also speaking of sir Arthur and his ghoulies I always wondered why a company such as NEC Avenue never ported the original ghost and ghoblins to the pc engine.
Anyway, someone on another board just lost on this yahoo auction bid. It's suppose to be a prototype of parasol stars.
It went for a lot of money.. I need to try and start using yahoo auctions myself.
http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f144339784
http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f144339784#enlargeimg
Oh wow, that's amazing. That sold price though... I guess the normal hucard goes for like $100 due to rarity right? You wonder what would happen if a prototype of Magical Chase showed up.
I would love to own all the versions of magical chase tho.. even down to the gameboy color and pc releases.
I don't know how rare parasol stars is but I do remember trying to get a copy back during its 1991 release and calling up a few UK importers, most of them never even heard of the game or it's release then.
EDIT:
*cough cough*
A few years ago before I turned into a lazy sloth-like creature I made my own rendition of Ripple on forza 3.
No one would be able to afford it?
God I love magical chase. I wish I could afford every version. I'll have to settle with just the one, I suppose.
Who even owns the rights to it? Pal soft went under DURING the first pressing, and PC Engine Fan got rights to sell the remaining stock or something? So convoluted.
Who even owns the rights to it? Pal soft went under DURING the first pressing, and PC Engine Fan got rights to sell the remaining stock or something? So convoluted.
there is an old thread about magical chase on another forum but I am not sure if they even thought about what happened to Pal Soft. Although the first level was altered for the USA release and so so did the Ripple sprite and Pumpkin shop.
Back in 2006..
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=2117.msg21643#msg21643
I didn't realize the turbo version came out between the releases in Japan. I've read a bunch of posts on Japanese boards that mention the PCE first edition was "ghost software." It was released and considered a masterpiece but nobody could find it or buy it.
I have always wondered who made the changes to the game. Quest definitely makes the most sense. But I wonder why? I actually prefer the brighter colors and enemies on the PCE version... They're friendlier than the brownish backgrounds on the TG16.
IrishNinja
Member
16bit always gotta knock solid saturn ports for slightly incorrect aspect ratios during certain phases of the moon
why you gotta do that breh
this is like the 3rd level of knowing you have a problem m'man
and for posterity:
we have officially reached the crux of our impasse here. i won't be saying anything on the matter past this, not just because thread-shitting or that i want the last word (i don't mind either way), but simply that there's not much more i can add than this:
you're all over the place with your moral righteousness, because anything other what you want to hear is negated/treated as "justification". whether or not you're comfortable admitting it, you start from the premise that law = greatest possible good here, and anything beyond that is rationalizing. working back from this presupposed notion, your very stance is that my actions need legitimizing, but they truly don't.
i've never once said what i do isn't illegal. i've simply said that's a poor man's metric for morality, and i outright reject your premise.
Forever ago now, D Lo made an interesting post about actual harm being done, in certain circumstances. that was the last time this conversation had any merit, honestly.
TL;DR i recognize the legitimacy of your argument about IP holders. I do not at all share the emphasis you put on them (specifically in positions of clear abandonware such as here), and the fact that you do not put the creator's wishes above that (as i very much do) shows that wasn't an argument made in good faith, either.
which is fine, too. you get to keep your moral highground, and i can appease that by saying i'm going to burn a copy of Space Fantasy Zone & play it because i'm a dirty pirate & you're a better person in that regard. I in turn get to live in a world where I can play Mother 3, BS Zelda, the beta to ToeJam & Earl III and such & I don't feel even a little bad about it.
...sorry for continuing to shit up this thread, retro-GAF. If i cause any more of that, i'll take my leave.
why you gotta do that breh
this is like the 3rd level of knowing you have a problem m'man
and for posterity:
we have officially reached the crux of our impasse here. i won't be saying anything on the matter past this, not just because thread-shitting or that i want the last word (i don't mind either way), but simply that there's not much more i can add than this:
you're all over the place with your moral righteousness, because anything other what you want to hear is negated/treated as "justification". whether or not you're comfortable admitting it, you start from the premise that law = greatest possible good here, and anything beyond that is rationalizing. working back from this presupposed notion, your very stance is that my actions need legitimizing, but they truly don't.
i've never once said what i do isn't illegal. i've simply said that's a poor man's metric for morality, and i outright reject your premise.
Forever ago now, D Lo made an interesting post about actual harm being done, in certain circumstances. that was the last time this conversation had any merit, honestly.
TL;DR i recognize the legitimacy of your argument about IP holders. I do not at all share the emphasis you put on them (specifically in positions of clear abandonware such as here), and the fact that you do not put the creator's wishes above that (as i very much do) shows that wasn't an argument made in good faith, either.
which is fine, too. you get to keep your moral highground, and i can appease that by saying i'm going to burn a copy of Space Fantasy Zone & play it because i'm a dirty pirate & you're a better person in that regard. I in turn get to live in a world where I can play Mother 3, BS Zelda, the beta to ToeJam & Earl III and such & I don't feel even a little bad about it.
...sorry for continuing to shit up this thread, retro-GAF. If i cause any more of that, i'll take my leave.
Guys I am going to share this link with you. It's been up for years but I don't know how much longer it will remain or whether it's been shared here already..
Originally this was self published and sold in independent video game shops (who imported Japanese and American electronic toys etc) back around 1993 in London and then throughout the UK.
The author of this work is Richard Gibb who made a pc engine guide, typed everything out, cut and pasted stuff together and photocopied everything onto A4 paper and put it into shops. Now the guy who scanned this bought a copy and decided to scan and upload it as a PDF and wanted to share it with old time pc engine owners as well as new people on the pc engine scene.
Whatever the case regardless of how you feel about whether this IS piracy or not the intent is hopefully to share someone's past work and to keep it alive and pay homage to those that worked on this project.
Anyway I hope you will find it informative and eventful.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ogyzdjhltid/pce_guide_1993.zip
Originally this was self published and sold in independent video game shops (who imported Japanese and American electronic toys etc) back around 1993 in London and then throughout the UK.
The author of this work is Richard Gibb who made a pc engine guide, typed everything out, cut and pasted stuff together and photocopied everything onto A4 paper and put it into shops. Now the guy who scanned this bought a copy and decided to scan and upload it as a PDF and wanted to share it with old time pc engine owners as well as new people on the pc engine scene.
Whatever the case regardless of how you feel about whether this IS piracy or not the intent is hopefully to share someone's past work and to keep it alive and pay homage to those that worked on this project.
Anyway I hope you will find it informative and eventful.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ogyzdjhltid/pce_guide_1993.zip
freaking crap I have always wanted one of these and now it's on sale on that betting site...
I just love pc engine music that comes from the HuCard games especially when done right!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PC-Engine-Rom-2-AMP-System-NEC-Japan-NEW-/301588538309?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_71&hash=item463813e3c5
I just love pc engine music that comes from the HuCard games especially when done right!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PC-Engine-Rom-2-AMP-System-NEC-Japan-NEW-/301588538309?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_71&hash=item463813e3c5
sixteen-bit
Member
Wow, it's gorgeous. I wonder how it sounds.
Maaaaaaaaaaaan that's awesome. PCE music really is some of the best. There's something about it that trumps the NES, Genesis, and SNES for me.
You have to buy this.
Take one for the team and then invite the team over to listen. I'll bring all the whisky you can drink. And then when you've had all you can drink I'll steal this thing.
I'd love to buy it but at that price it's too much.......... >___>
EDIT
I've been told that it can be gotten a lot cheaper if I wait around..
He said Dodge Ball was a real bore... and that It Came From the Desert was a 9.
LOL R-Type I? A 9! R-Type II? A 9! R-Type Complete CD? Meh, an 8.
I'm also confused about what he means by Wonder Boy on the PC Engine. Bikkuriman World? Doesn't sound like it.
Well fine, I don't care how you get it before I get you trashed and then take it. Totally inconsequential.
Some of those details are a little incorrect like the memory size of some of those games as well as getting some publishers mixed up, Yes Bikkuriman World was known as wonder boy here back then. I don't think anyone here knew anything of the anime it was based.
I am just hoping one day I can get it a lot lot cheaper but also I am planning on getting the briefcase set up with either RGB or component mod. I am nearly at 100 games on the pc engine and NONE are CD based..
Just a few more HuCard games.... Need to get hold of; Batman, R-type I & II, Bikkuriman World, F1 Circus 92', Pachio Kun 10 Ban shobu, Daichi Kun Crisis, King of Casino and... if I can get it cheap, Tatsujin and then I will be quite happy.
I just hope I can get Dracula X before the price shoots up anymore.. but also I am really craving the 90's music stuff from Falcom games.
A Black Falcon
Member
It's definitely Bikkuriman World; the years are just reversed between "Wonder Boy" and "Wonder Boy: Monster Lair". It says '89 for WB and '87 for Monster Lair, but of course it's the opposite of that.
On the note of "Wonder Boy" (actually Bikkuriman World), at the end of that it says, to continue, "hold down I + II, press Down or Up, and press Run" while GameFAQs says you just need to press Up+Run. I think GameFAQs is right; I do have the game, and yeah, a continue code is essential.
PCE? It's actually one of my five or six US CD titles (almost all of my CD games are Japanese, but I do have a few US ones), but yeah, it's a pretty good game and I definitely would recommend it. As for versions though (US & JP), I'd guess that this is a case where the only difference is the manuals?
I'm at somewhere around 40 games and I don't think I could go without the cd stuff at this point. My favorites are split so evenly between the two sides of the system.
I did get Tatsujin on the Genesis instead of the PCE though... Couldn't justify the cost. Though I'd rather have everything on PCE if possible.
My main reason for the pc engine version is purely for the music. The pce version is perhaps and will be the most unique purely for the musician working on it Tsukasa Masuko (who also goes by the name Macco). The same musician also did the music tracks for the pc engine games: Dungeon Explorer, Bonk's Adventure / PC Genjin, Kyukyoku Tiger, Maniac Pro Wrestling (as "Sound Director"), Tatsujin*, Tensei Ryu*
If you hear those games you will notice they all sound similar. They are all using the same sound driver and this sound engine is also used by other musicians most notably in Ankoku Densetsu/Legendary Axe II.
http://www.chrismcovell.com/texts/TopPCEMusic.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Po73eMng0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DJGdUsoEX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omvixy8z9OQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIpwK10l80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI34R84U5sY
sixteen-bit
Member
I think the box art for Tatsujin on PCE is so great.
So this thing came:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251958300618?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
And it's not so good. The connector is clumsily shaved down from something larger, and it sort of weighs down the back of the system. Now, I'd be able to forgive that if it worked.
It doesn't work.
My XRGB just kind of freaks out, snaps to a black screen, and then back to "No Input." Additionally, there are slashes in the cable. Like actual long knife cuts in it. I don't know if any of them cut through the shielding and into the cable, but it does not bode well.
I requested a refund and I'm interested to see what the response will be.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251958300618?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
And it's not so good. The connector is clumsily shaved down from something larger, and it sort of weighs down the back of the system. Now, I'd be able to forgive that if it worked.
It doesn't work.
My XRGB just kind of freaks out, snaps to a black screen, and then back to "No Input." Additionally, there are slashes in the cable. Like actual long knife cuts in it. I don't know if any of them cut through the shielding and into the cable, but it does not bode well.
I requested a refund and I'm interested to see what the response will be.
eeps
That lead just reminded me of years yonder past before there was amps that fitted internally within the pc engine. RGB modders just did a straight RGB mod to the system and it was quite dark so a lot of the colors were lost despite being quite clear. So they created a color booster cable which I assume had the amp inside it. One independent games company sold it, They were Raven Games. I don't know if they are still around tho.
http://www.ravengames.co.uk/pcenginewhitecdinfo.htm
EDIT: I've decided to go with the component conversion. I guess it's still better than RF and composite. The guy doing the conversion basically emailed me and said to test if your HDTV is compatible with 240p component is to plug the yellow composite cable into the Green component input. If you get a clear black and white picture then it will work.. Mine does.
I hope you get your refund sorted out Merc's I think next time look into getting a turbo Booster and get that modded to give RGB instead.
D.Lo
Member
Sounds like weak sync, which the Framemeister is uniquely susceptible to. Try adjusting the sync (turn it way up) or try on another RGB monitor. It may not be the cable.
There are so many of these RGB adapter boxes now. db-elec.com is making some too that can be used with a Megadrive2 cable and RCA out. Provisional price $52.50.
I'm most fond of the Nec AV Box. More expensive, but has the good taste of having a standard Scart socket for cable porn.
I'm most fond of the Nec AV Box. More expensive, but has the good taste of having a standard Scart socket for cable porn.
D.Lo
Member
I think I'll make an adapter box myself for my original white PCE eventually. It's a very simple operation, I tested the circuit once, I just need the correct plug which I cannot find.
All the commercial ones are enormous, when the circuit itself could fit INSIDE a scart plug.
Maybe I'll just do an internal mod. Bt I love the idea of a stock 1987 unit being used with crystal RGB with a simple external box. Like my stock 1985 Mark III adapter box.
All the commercial ones are enormous, when the circuit itself could fit INSIDE a scart plug.
Maybe I'll just do an internal mod. Bt I love the idea of a stock 1987 unit being used with crystal RGB with a simple external box. Like my stock 1985 Mark III adapter box.
I think something beyond that is wrong. My XRGB only shows an incoming signal for a second, then says that nothing at all is attached. Everything I've had that has been funky on sync at least shows a connected device as a light on the incoming connection. Wouldn't it at least say something is connected?
There are so many of these RGB adapter boxes now. db-elec.com is making some too that can be used with a Megadrive2 cable and RCA out. Provisional price $52.50.
I'm most fond of the Nec AV Box. More expensive, but has the good taste of having a standard Scart socket for cable porn.
That box is alright. My main complaint is that any slight movement of the console and box easily dis connects from each other. I also notice there is a slight loss of signal every few seconds where things blur for a brief moment when the screen is scrolling.
I just kinda remembered about something ....
try not to spend too much on it if it interests you as I am sure these things have increased in price. It uses infrared so the controller needs to be aimed more or less directly at the receiver or communication is lost.. I don't know if there are any lag issues either.
http://www.shopncsx.com/pc-enginewirelessjoypad.aspx
or..
http://www.tototek.com/pio/main1/SUBMENU/PARTS/LINKS/OS/pceclassicconverter.htm
I don't know how easy it is to obtain these anymore but good luck to ya all.
Where are you seeing that?