Ok lets do this...
You have a PS3 on and playing with a PS4 controller
You also have a PS4 on
What do you expect the ON ps4 to do while you press buttons on the DS4, not do anything?
That is what you call a poorly designed system?
I would call it lack of common sense and bad luck on the part of consumer
Sony didn't design a flawed system because they never advertised DS4 compatability with PS3. Shu stated it would work in limited capacity, so use it at your own risk. Plus, if you didn't investigate why the PS4 had turned on after the beep then you kind of deserve it because you could have prevented it.
i would love to see someone play a cross gen game with a DS4 controlling both games.
Nothing, it should do nothing simple as that.What do you expect device Z to do when its turned on and controller A is turned on too.... go ahead..
It doesn't turn on, it has to be already on.Sony didn't design a flawed system because they never advertised DS4 compatability with PS3. Shu stated it would work in limited capacity, so use it at your own risk. Plus, if you didn't investigate why the PS4 had turned on after the beep then you kind of deserve it because you could have prevented it.
Does your iPad stop working when it is connected to your PC for charging? These things are just USB charging cables when connected to the incorrect machine. I have my DualShock 3 plugged into the PC for the moment, but I can't still control the PS3 to which it is linked.No, I wouldn't, because a lot of people would (perfectly reasonably) assume that connecting by cable would cause the controller to cease sending a wireless signal.
And what do you expect if your mouse is connected to a PlayStation 3 or your WiiMote to a PC?Nothing, it should do nothing simple as that.
Same as I connect my Wii mote to the WiiU and have the Wii on at the same time, Wii does nothing.
Or if my wireless mouse is connected via a charge cable to PC A while the receiver is still in PC B. PC A responds while PC B does nothing.
Sony didn't design a flawed system because they never advertised DS4 compatability with PS3. Shu stated it would work in limited capacity, so use it at your own risk. Plus, if you didn't investigate why the PS4 had turned on after the beep then you kind of deserve it because you could have prevented it.
The beauty of this is that Sony is currently denying that controller A is even capable of simultaneously controlling Device X and Z. Yet so many have come in here to defend them, arguing that it's a common sense inference.How are people okay with this?
When I'm using controller A, that's meant for device Z, on device X it shouldn't also control device Z. Especially when the maker officially stated that it also supports, albeit limited, device X.
We're smarter than Sony.The beauty of this is that Sony is currently denying that controller A is even capable of simultaneously controlling Device X and Z. Yet so many have come in here to defend them, arguing that it's a common sense inference.
The DS3 turns off wireless functions when it's plugged in, why doesn't the DS4?
Nothing, it should do nothing simple as that.
Same as I connect my Wii mote to the WiiU and have the Wii on at the same time, Wii does nothing.
Or if my wireless mouse is connected via a charge cable to PC A while the receiver is still in PC B. PC A responds while PC B does nothing.
Work on the device it's directly connected to, as it should.And what do you expect if your mouse is connected to a PlayStation 3 or your WiiMote to a PC?
And here I thought that Gaf was pro-consumer. This thread makes me rethink that.The beauty of this is that Sony is currently denying that controller A is even capable of simultaneously controlling Device X and Z. Yet so many have come in here to defend them, arguing that it's a common sense inference.
No, that's a flaw in Sony's design. My mouse analogy already explained how it should work.but the controller A was already synched with device X. you would have to turn OFF the ps4 or desynch the DS4 wireless
So in this case, that would be the PS4 as it is the system it is connected to and that connection has never been broken.Work on the device it's directly connected to, as it should.
I'm pretty sure those people could've gotten their refunds and not get their accounts banned if they had just had some patience and not went to banks for chargebacks. To Sony, that is basically scamming them/3rd parties out of money. There's usually some steps that you have to go through before online store refunds money and if you forego that with your own shenanigans, I'm not surprised something like that happens.We've also had tons of posts about Sony not refunding Fifa hacks and banning accounts where scammed users go for bank chargebacks.
Playing Dark Souls 2, and you deserve to lose $60 on a game you don't want, totally without your knowledge?
Deserve.
What is wrong with you guys?
Connecting to a PS3
It is possible to connect a DualShock 4 controller to a PlayStation®3 using a USB cable. It cannot be synced to a PS4 via Bluetooth. Only basic functionality is supported and not all games are compatible.
We do not have any information on full compatibility with individual games at this time.
It cannot be synced to a PS4 via Bluetooth.
its one or the other.
If you turn the PS4 on, then leave the PS4 on. Then decide to charge the PS4 controller with the PS3 while its still sync'd with the PS4, thats Yo Fault.
You have to turn on the PS4 first for this to work. If you dont turn on the PS4. When the PS4 controller is connected to a PS3 the PS button is deactivated.
Science.
But maybe you can ask for PS Wallet Credit. Battlefield 4 apparently runs like shit.
My mouse analogy already explained how it should work.
i would love to see someone play a cross gen game with a DS4 controlling both games.
I'm pretty sure those people could've gotten their refunds and not get their accounts banned if they had just had some patience and not went to banks for chargebacks. To Sony, that is basically scamming them/3rd parties out of money. There's usually some steps that you have to go through before online store refunds money and if you forego that with your own shenanigans, I'm not surprised something like that happens.
Work on the device it's directly connected to, as it should.
And here I thought that Gaf was pro-consumer. This thread makes me rethink that.
No, that's a flaw in Sony's design. My mouse analogy already explained how it should work.
That reads like a typo to me, which is funny if Sony's own support site mixes up PS3 and PS4 as it happens to me and friends all the time in conversation.
"It is possible to connect a DualShock 4 controller to a PlayStation®3 using a USB cable. It cannot be synced to a PS3 via Bluetooth. Only basic functionality is supported and not all games are compatible." - is what I think it's meant to say.
"It (the DualShock 4 controller) cannot be synced to a PS4 via Bluetooth." - doesn't make sense to me. In the context of the sentence regarding PS3 compatibility, I wouldn't expect them to mention the PS4 at all.
No, it shouldn't even be connected to the PS4 while it's directly connected to the PS3, another supported device. That would be like saying the DS4 is connected to two PS4's at the same time.So in this case, that would be the PS4 as it is the system it is connected to and that connection has never been broken.
Thanks for pointing how this is a design flaw.No.
The flaw would be to have this happen:
your ds4 is synched with the PS4
you connect the cable to PS3 which is not supported fully
the PS4 and DS4 would have to be resynched after the cable is disconnected.
That would be like saying DS4 is acting with PS3 like a fully supported device which takes credence over PS4 when in fact it does not.
Loading times would interfere so it wouldn't last long. PS4 would be in the game before the PS3 got to title screen. Framerate May make a difference as well, but I'm not sure thereThis could be done with Assassin's Creed 4 pretty easily I'm guessing.
To people who don't see why there's shouldn't be any refund...
What would you think if you bought something without any consent ?
I mean, it's not like they played the game or such.
So, basically, people are expecting a company with junk debt rating to return free monies to a mistaken patron?So, basically, people are asking a refund for their stupidity?
1. I'd be pissed off
2. I'd realise that through my own stupidity, it was my fault
3. I wouldn't complain on forums letting people know how dumb I had been
4. I'd make a sandwich
PS4 connects DS4 via bluetooth.
PS3 connects DS4 via wire.
Of course they are both still going to be in tack as they are two forms of communication.
We know this, it's in front of our eyes. One is wireless one isn't. Why would one shut down while the other is working? It makes no sense.
Sony can't go giving out refunds rewarding stupidity. It will set a dangerous precedent.
Eg. Hmm those games look good. I'll just buy them all on the store and get refunded later.
Well, in some countries, that is just illegal. Also, for the first case, I don't see how "stupid" it is. The guy just left his PS4 downloading update, how could he know that plugging his DS4 on PS3 would still control his PS4 ? Usually, when you plug a controller on another console, it can't control another one.
It's amazing how Sony denies the possibility of this happening at the same time as people in this thread are saying it's "common sense" to expect something like this to happen.
Out of curiosity, how does Sony go about promoting password protection on the PS4 store? Does it prompt you when you first log in/set up an account, do they let you know the feature exists, but say you have to go into settings to activate it, or is it a you have to know it's there thing?
The "problem" is the wired cable is also the charging cable, and that is the only function in not fully supported devices. It is why plugging a PS3 controller in a PC also won't turn off the connection.No, it shouldn't even be connected to the PS4 while it's directly connected to the PS3, another supported device.
So, basically, people are expecting a company with junk debt rating to return free monies to a mistaken patron?
Can you even control two PS3s with one controller? I've never controlled two systems with one controller in 25+ years of gaming.
Can you control two PS4s?
It really does say a lot about the empathy of the people commenting here.
Asking again, because I want to know the answer to this before I purchase a PS4.
Amazing. Thread running in circles and people keep getting upset about slightly related matters, while missing the points on important ones. People really are too hard on finding anyone at fault here.
First: DS4 is for PS4. It was said bx Sony that it might work with the PS3, but is by no means supported.
The controlling of two consoles at the same time is unexpected, even for Sony, as seen thanks to the support.
Both the customers and Sony are and are not at fault. Sony don't have to support DS4 on PS3 and the customers assumed that it's ok since it worked seemingly fine.