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[Andodalf]

Even "Fuck Atlus, they should let us stream" is alright. Its passionate and might offend some and could derail a thread, but it attempts discussion. Some people didn't get that far.

 

[Alucrid]

It's dumb on Atlus's part I guess, but what this highlights for me more than anything is how out of touch I am with what the gaming community wants. I've taken screenshots here and there, but it's not something I actively care about. It kind of blows my mind that someone would outright skip what seems to be a tremendous game just because it lacks social features.

i like sharing gifs of overwatch potgs. i like sharing screenshots of horizon. people like to share gameplay moments. that's why something like sharefactory has been continually updated and added in things like gif support and why you can clip moments on twitch and save them.

 

[NastyBook]

Day one still, but not a fan of this.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Completely nonsensical. If someone wants to avoid spoilers, why would they watch a stream if the game in the first place? The big streamers have dedicated setups for this anyway.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Lmao Atlus

I look forward to taking the P5 equivalent of this

Ill take that screenshot day 1 first chance I get.

 

[D1renegade]

This is fine by me. Now I don't have worry about potential spoilers being shared to my What's New feed.

 

[Aselith]

Lmao Atlus

I look forward to taking the P5 equivalent of this

The absolute madman

 

[EvilKatarn]

So Remote Play is a no go? Can't play on my laptop while the PS4 is at home?

Remote play is there. At least for Vita, but I can't imagine one platform being supported without the others.

 

[Replicant]

This backward company always does the most. Remember the Persona Arena debacle? Now this BS.

I do think we should all send angry messages to Atlus because just being angry here is not achieving much. Let them feel the wrath.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

This adds to discussion






This doesn't.


That's vitrol


This is smart feedback










Not everyone, in the beginning there was good discussion and feedback, which as I've said is good and important. As threads like this go on, sense leaves and all that remains is meaninglessness. The sensible people leave early when it gets like this.

i'm very sorry, am writing a letter to Corporate Atlus JP in my blood begging forgiveness for cursing at them. hope they don't decide to cancel Persona 5, A Corporate Atlus Product, because of me.

Edit: Wait did the second part of my post not promote discussion? Lol. Weird standards...

 

[Rynocirator]

This is fine by me. Now I don't have worry about potential spoilers being shared to my What's New feed.

Pretty much. The feed thing is problem, you can easily avoid seeing stuff on youtube or any other social media, not so much the "whats new" feature.

 

[charlequin]

Do you take pictures every day in life?

..........yes?

How does that inform them to make meaningful change?

Presumably Atlus isn't run by kindergarteners and therefore their execs can make the wild leap of reasoning that if a decision prompts hardcore fans to say "fuck you" then maybe that decision was bad.

Also: nobody asked you to police people's expression here.

It kind of blows my mind that someone would outright skip what seems to be a tremendous game just because it lacks social features.

Most people aren't typically planning on dying in the next 12 months so when a good game ships with an awful problem attached they might as well wait it out and get the game used for $10 down the line.

 

[jetsetnickradio]

Let's be real: This probably isn't about spoilers. It's about copyright. A lot of Japanese companies are a lot stricter on copyright than their western counterparts are. Especially when it comes to music and voice acting. Even if you bypass the Share block, I would expect any videos you upload to YouTube to get flagged.

 

[danthefan]

This doesn't impact me at all but can see why others would be annoyed. I can't really get the reasoning for this, it makes no sense. People will still capture it if they really want.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Let's be real: This probably isn't about spoilers. It's about copyright. A lot of Japanese companies are a lot stricter on copyright than their western counterparts are. Especially when it comes to music and voice acting. Even if you bypass the Share block, I would expect any videos you upload to YouTube to get flagged.

Yeah, the spoilers thing doesn't make any sense. It does make more sense that they don't want people to skip the gameplay and just watch a story synopsis on YouTube, but nothing they can do will stop that.

 

[Aeana]

Even "Fuck Atlus, they should let us stream" is alright. Its passionate and might offend some and could derail a thread, but it attempts discussion. Some people didn't get that far.

Where do I submit my posts for you to approve them before I post? Is PM okay?

 

[TetraGenesis]

This thread is actually meaningless and adds nothing to the product or discussions of the product. It can't force Atlus to do anything, much to the chagrin of many posters.


Edit:you added to your post I'm not ignoring it, 1 sec.

What the hell is this thread-whining BS? Get out of here if you don't care. You're the one adding nothing.

 

[MindGamingMantis]

Crazy. My friend would have loved to see this in action before buying. Oh well.

Probably why they blocked it.

 

[Alucrid]

Let's be real: This probably isn't about spoilers. It's about copyright. A lot of Japanese companies are a lot stricter on copyright than their western counterparts are. Especially when it comes to music and voice acting. Even if you bypass the Share block, I would expect any videos you upload to YouTube to get flagged.

i hope the persona 5 OT isn't hit with a take down notice

 

[Dandy Crocodile]

Berseria was annoying with this restriction too.
I love uploading screenshots to twitter.

 

[Aeana]

Probably why they blocked it.

Now he'll never be able to find video of it on the internet.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Wow, that's pretty silly. And as people have pointed out, anyone with a major audience is going to have a CC anyways making this irrelevant.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Now he'll never be able to find video of it on the internet.

Time to purge the internet of Persona 5 videos, gifs and screenshots.

It's the only way to keep people's experiences pure and unsaddled with spoilers.

 

[Graciaus]

I was 100% never going to use it or watch any streams like with every other game. I think it's pointless but to block it is stupid for those that care. It is a feature for the system after all.

 

[manzoman96]

this is some 1990s-Squaresoft-not-giving-review-copy-to-online-reviewers-because-they-thought-they-were-pirates type shit

just... heads in the sand

That actually happened?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Berseria was annoying with this restriction too.
I love uploading screenshots to twitter.

I just mentioned it to someone else that that one is even funnier since the game is also on PC, where you will find 0 issues taking a screenshot, even just through Steam.

 

[bomblord1]

What's with Japanese games and disabling the screenshot/share feature? All the Tales games do this too.

Is there some kind of cultural thing about sharing gameplay? Is it to prevent something? What is the actual reason for this?

 

[marmoka]

Is it disabled from the beginning? Or you just can share the first hour of the game?

 

[SRTtoZ]

The biggest names on Twitch and YT that share these games use capture cards anyway. How dumb.

 

[R_thanatos]

Is it disabled from the beginning? Or you just can share the first hour of the game?

The first 10 or 15 mins

You can take pictures of the main menu just fine but other than that

 

[clarknova156]

Fucking dumb. I can't believe this kind of shit was even thought of as a solution. They know about capture cards.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

i hope the persona 5 OT isn't hit with a take down notice

Someone PM BruceLeeRoy, see if he can hook us up with some non-infringing artwork in his usual style.

 

[charlequin]

What's with Japanese games and disabling the screenshot/share feature? All the Tales games do this too.

Is there some kind of cultural thing about sharing gameplay? Is it to prevent something? What is the actual reason for this?

It's a combination of decision-makers who know absolutely nothing about modern trends or how the gaming industry functions outside Japan, corporate structures that actively silence the opinions of young employees, and a decades-old bias towards nonsensically draconian copyright policy all working together to produce this nonsense.

 

[Korigama]

It is usually games from Japanese developers/publishers specifically that do this, yeah.

 

[Infernostew]

It's pretty shitty but won't factor into my enjoyment of the game.

 

[The Futurist]

Now that I think of it, this definitely hurts sales. Especially in those circles where not everyone knows about what is happening in the gaming world.

There have been many instances of me sharing screenshots and videos of games with friends that have led to purchases.

A lot of those people would never have exposure unless someone shows them something directly.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

atlus blocks share functions
someone says fuck atlus

"wow they are so happy that they want to engage in sexual intercourse with us!"

 

[Aselith]

It's pretty shitty but won't factor into my enjoyment of the game.

What if you had a really awesome moment and wanted to share it BUT OH WAIT.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

They should really get over themselves. This also irked me with JoJo's Eyes of Heaven ...once you get to a certain point in the story, you can no longer live stream (or capture at all for that matter), even if you're going back to an old mission. This sort of thing never makes any sense.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Now that I think of it, this definitely hurts sales. Especially in those circles where not everyone knows about what is happening in the gaming world.

There have been many instances of me sharing screenshots and videos of games with friends that have led to purchases.

A lot of those people would never have exposure unless someone shows them something directly.

I know right? Like I said I know tons of SMT/Persona fans who got into the series through GB's Endurance Run. Still others hopped on board with Persona 4 Golden cause of all the tumblr gifs and pics of new content like the costumes. Even fan comics like the Hiimdaisy comic serve to get people interested in the series.

This is basically free advertising that Atlus is missing out on. And at what cost? To keep those Persona virgins pure and unsoiled from Mara spoilers? I don't get it. Honestly.

 

[The Futurist]

I know right? Like I said I know tons of SMT/Persona fans who got into the series through GB's Endurance Run. Still others hopped on board with Persona 4 Golden with all the tumblr gifs and pics of new content like the costumes. Even fan comics like the Hiimdaisy comic serve to get people interested in the series.

This is basically free advertising that Atlus is missing out on. And at what cost? To keep those Persona virgins pure and unsoiled from Mara spoilers? I don't get it. Honestly.

It's 2017.

At this point, sharing video games is a part of gaming culture.

 

[kamineko]

This is an incredible decision

As in impossible to believe

Taking and sharing screenshots is a huge part of my Playstation experience, and of course I and many others will want to capture memorable moments from this long-awaited title

Really, picture shares are free advertising. It's strange to forego a bunch of cost-free exposure and goodwill in favor of a frosty discussion of obsolete intellectual property phobias

 

[Aurizen]

I hate this. I wish PS4 had an update that changes this.It defeats the purpose of SharePlay. I think shareplay shouldn't be up to developers. it should be its own functions without the game dev. This is a huge feature for me and my friends. We always share games the day we get em and enjoy watching each other play a game, then it makes us get the game for ourselves. It's a feature that truly brings people together.

 

[R_thanatos]

I hate this. I wish PS4 had an update that changes this.It defeats the purpose of SharePlay. I think shareplay shouldn't be up to developers. it should be its own functions without the game dev. This is a huge feature for me and my friends. We always share games the day we get em and enjoy watching each other play a game, then it makes us get the game for ourselves. It's a feature that truly brings people together.

This is very weird because the basic idea behind blocking share play is debatable.
Blocking parts of the story and some scenes make sense in many games. you just have to be smart about it.

Like if P5 allowed sharing and pictures during mementos exploration and some events i wouldn't think too much about it.

I have plenty of games that are smart and i don't feel under a gag order .. P5 is the opposite.

 

[Infernostew]

What if you had a really awesome moment and wanted to share it BUT OH WAIT.

I'll tell someone about it. I don't take screen shots and rarely stream when I play games. I dunno, I'm old school.

 

[HeelPower]

Wont stop hundreds of youtubers from putting videos of the full game on YT.

This sorta achieves very little.

 

[entremet]

It's a combination of decision-makers who know absolutely nothing about modern trends or how the gaming industry functions outside Japan, corporate structures that actively silence the opinions of young employees, and a decades-old bias towards nonsensically draconian copyright policy all working together to produce this nonsense.

This is Nintendo in a nutshell in how they've been testing YT.

 

[Toki767]

It's disappointing but I guess I'll just have to use my cellphone camera to take a picture of stuff to upload and share.

I always liked when people shared screenshots of funny lines in Persona 4 Golden.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

What's with Japanese games and disabling the screenshot/share feature? All the Tales games do this too.

Is there some kind of cultural thing about sharing gameplay? Is it to prevent something? What is the actual reason for this?

Namco and Atlus are on a whole other level of cash-related pettiness.

 

[EDarkness]

You know, wasn't the screenshot function on Tokyo Mirage Sessions blocked, too? Might be an Atlus thing about sharing things with their games. Still doesn't make any sense.