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[Beaulieu]

put something like live! on the next nintendo console = awesome
put something like the wiimot on the next microsoft console = suckage total

 

[felipeko]

You're really stubborn. I'm going to out on a limb and guess that you do not have a fulltime job. Am I correct? So tell me, when you're playing Zelda or Paper Mario, are you completely alone?

I don't have fulltime job, but my brother and friends have. Also, i have gym and class during the day... So it's basically the same.


And i don't play Zelda or Paper Mario... The only 2 single players im interested so far are Z&W and SMG, both are simple and people can play together...

 

[Gigglepoo]

I don't have fulltime job, but my brother and friends have. Also, i have gym and class during the day... So it's basically the same.


And i don't play Zelda or Paper Mario... The only 2 single players im interested so far are Z&W and SMG, both are simple and people can play together...

So you don't play online multiplayer games, you don't play single player games and you don't own an X360. I would feel like I've wasted so much time, but then again I do post while working.

 

[ghst]

LIVE and the Wiimote are equally consequential in that they make accessible to the mainstream things that the informed have had for a long, long time. (LIVE=Online gaming, Wiimote=Social gaming)

 

[J-Rzez]

Let me know when Sony does because they aren't even in the same ballpark yet.

Dedicated Servers for better online gaming experience > Downloadable old TV shows... Fact

Anyways, I actually agree with Moly... for once... haha... Online gaming is more important and can always breathe more life into gaming because it adds that extra element to a game that increases it's playtime life, and adds WAYYYYY more social interaction than four remotes ever can... I still enjoy playing MP games with friends over my place, or theirs, but, as we're getting older, I'd much rather a bit more of the time just to chill at my place with a beer and sit in my fav chair, enjoy my TV and sound system that i love dearly, then, just get up and roll into bed not having to drive home half asleep with a fading buzz...

 

[godhandiscen]

Nintendo isn't trying to match it. Sony is trying to surpass it.

Before surpassing something, you have to at least try to match it, but still, at least Sony has not given up.

 

[felipeko]

So you don't play online multiplayer games, you don't play single player games and you don't own an X360. I would feel like I've wasted so much time, but then again I do post while working.

Sorry for that :/
But in my defense... you don't play much local multiplayer either ;D

 

[Gigglepoo]

Sorry for that :/
But in my defense... you don't play much local multiplayer either ;D

I do play local multiplayer, though. Usually XBLA and VC games.

 

[jonezer4]

The power of the internet vs. the power of a couple gyros and an accelerometer?

Remember: the Wiimote could easily be ripped off and used on other systems. Then Nintendo would be back to square one with relying on 1st party franchises to keep the system afloat. There's no reason why any system can't have both.

I hope that sounds objective enough-- not trying to start a flame war.

It sounds objective but it's wrong. Releasing a waggle remote on the 360 would not instantly deflate Wii's sales. It has much more going for it than the controller, at least as far as public perception and acceptance is concerned.

Those factors aside, Nintendo's console is built around using a unique control at its epicenter. With 360, it would be a tacked on, uninspired, "Me too!" and the market, even the less avid gamers out there, wouldn't fall for it. If you don't believe me, look no further than the PS3 for evidence of that.

 

[Ecchi-Time7]

Online is ancient, tried and true btw but the Wiimote is a completely new concept, so it's not entirely fair to compare the two.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Okay Peter :lol

 

[fernoca]

Whoa!
A Microsoft first-party developer, talking about how awesome/innovative Microsoft is?!?!

Is the end of the world near?!?!?!? :O!!
Can't wait to see Miyamoto praising the Wiimote!! :O!!!!!?!??!

 

[bigswords]

I mean a full single player experience. I'm talking about small developers who want to make full games focused on single players game instead of a budget pick up and play game. Basically a game that has enough depth that's worth $40 or $50.

XBLA games are meant to be those kind of "quick bites" casual games. You can't expect a 40-50 USD game to cost 5-10 USD yea?

To be honest though I have been playing more Catan then Blue Dragon lately

 

[Dave Long]

Molyneux was just lucky that Microsoft released the first Xbox so he could escape PC gaming after the Black & White debacle.

 

[jaundicejuice]

Molyneux said something nice about his publisher and something marginally negative about his publisher's competition? You don't say.

 

[MMaRsu]

God there was a time when Peter wanted to be innovative. If he was still independent he would probably gladly develop for Wii.

"What a dumbass"

 

[thefro]

As I always say to anyone who really thinks XBox Live is super-innovative (the only innovation is the standardization).

Not that XBand was the first system, but it's pretty similar to Live.

 

[Ramirez]

I agree with him for once...

 

[MMaRsu]

As I always say to anyone who really thinks XBox Live is super-innovative (the only innovation is the standardization).

Not that XBand was the first system, but it's pretty similar to Live.

 

[godhandiscen]

As I always say to anyone who really thinks XBox Live is super-innovative (the only innovation is the standardization).

Not that XBand was the first system, but it's pretty similar to Live.

I think thats the whole freaking point. A unified red that supports all games, so that you are always online and able to interact with friends. Similar motion sensing devices appeared before the Wii, but the whole point of Nintendo's console is that motion sensing controls are standard so that all developers can use them. They both were done before, however no company had ever pushed such features to the point of making them standard.

 

[Klone.K]

It's true in the long term Live will have the bigger impact. Short term, the wiimote is riding the weave of novelty.

 

[besada]

The power of the Wagglenet reigns supreme!

 

[angelfly]

As I always say to anyone who really thinks XBox Live is super-innovative (the only innovation is the standardization).

Not that XBand was the first system, but it's pretty similar to Live.

Don't forget:

 

[mr stroke]

The Wii's impact on the market is beyond anyones understanding. I think the fact that Sony and MS will be implementing some kind of similar controls into future consoles is further proof of that.

this is my biggest fear...god PLEASE NO!!!!

 

[MC Safety]

In all fairness, Peter Molyneux could say he wanted a beer with this grilled cheese sandwich and people would rush to the message boards to slam him for it.

 

[SuperBonk]

Nintendo had an online service for downloading original games, maps for games, etc long before Live if your trying to use the "what came first" logic.

Edit: Let me rephrase. The poster I quoted said that the Wii was a bigger impact because it will probably make Sony and MS implement motion controls in their next consoles. I simply was stating that Live made Nintendo and Sony both create their own online networks, making his argument self-defeating.

Think of it this way, motion conrols existed before the Wii, but have only just now become significant because of it. It's not what came first, it's what did it well. But that's not even what I was trying to say in the beginning so I don't even know where you got this idea that I was trying to use the "what came first" logic.

 

[fernoca]

In all fairness, Peter Molyneux could say he wanted a beer with this grilled cheese sandwich and people would rush to the message boards to slam him for it.

 

[krypt0nian]

I agree.

So do I. Not really that controversial really.

 

[Caspel]

anyone else read the information about his other project?

Now you know I can’t say much. Yes we are working on another title at the moments and it is more of a casual game. Once we start to talk about it you will see some “Project Dimitri “elements!

Is this old news? I have always believed they wouldn't speak on their other project (as in confirming it existed) -- so is this old news of the confirmation of a new game?

 

[Gigglepoo]

Not that XBand was the first system, but it's pretty similar to Live.

Um... there's a lot more to Live than online multiplayer.

 

[Scottlarock]

has someone made this comment yet? everyone jumping on live saying it has been done before, isn't that also true of the wiimote?

 

[MasterMFauli]

lol

wiimote is a new generation in gameplay-evoluton. xbox live is...a multiplayer-addition.

 

[Wollan]

What does heap of sci-fi stories deal with?
The cyber world. Home is the most radical step forward.

 

[Gigglepoo]

xbox live is...a multiplayer-addition.

I disagree.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Good times

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

It's not about proving to be a hallmark of the industry...it's about influencing the development of it. Sony has responded with PSN, even Nintendo is online now. Every console developer has certainly taken notice of what MS has done and are trying to come up with something to atleast compare to it. This is what he's talking about. It is still WAY too early to tell what longterm effects the Wii-mote will have on how consoles go forward in the future. Like I said it may become the defacto standard method of control, then you would have an argument for it, but it's simply too early to tell right now.

IT ALL STARTED WITH SEGA....

DREAMCAST

NEVER FORGET

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Sony has been online with the PS2 for years and it as a system has proved to be far more popular than XBOX Live.

:lol

IT ALL STARTED WITH SEGA....

MEGADRIVE

NEVER FORGET

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

Superlatives. It's what's for dinner.

The sooner both can fucking evolve, the sooner I can I have this:

 

[f@luS]

i am a BIG big fan of FABLE

but when i think molyneux, i see this

 

[drohne]

molyneux is a game designer, not an analyst. the creative impact of the wiimote is virtually nil. if michael pachter downplays the significance of the wiimote, feel free to protest -- you have grounds. if peter molyneux isn't bowled over by the creative possibilities of twiddling your arm instead of pressing a button, concede the point and move on.

 

[Branduil]

molyneux is a game designer, not an analyst. the creative impact of the wiimote is virtually nil. if michael pachter downplays the significance of the wiimote, feel free to protest -- you have grounds. if peter molyneux isn't bowled over by the creative possibilities of twiddling your arm instead of pressing a button, concede the point and move on.

So when he said that "Without any doubt the biggest revolution we will see in games will be to do with what the player holds and how they control a game", was he lying, or temporarily insane? Or is he only an authority on the creative merit of non-traditional controls when it suits your argument?

 

[Belfast]

molyneux is a game designer, not an analyst. the creative impact of the wiimote is virtually nil. if michael pachter downplays the significance of the wiimote, feel free to protest -- you have grounds. if peter molyneux isn't bowled over by the creative possibilities of twiddling your arm instead of pressing a button, concede the point and move on.

This goes doubly so for a designer who is so intent on "innovating" in his games.

 

[drohne]

a. i haven't suggested that molyneux is an authority on anything, actually -- i'm just pointing out where his interests would lie

b. if he does still believe that a controller will be the next revolution in games, it doesn't necessarily follow that the wiimote is that controller

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

MS must be clever if they can dupe their userbase into paying $50 a year for p2p service.

 

[Branduil]

DAMAGE CONTROL

Just concede the point and move on.

 

[Vagabundo]

b. if he does still believe that a controller will be the next revolution in games, it doesn't necessarily follow that the wiimote is that controller

This is interesting, I wonder what form he may believe this controller might take.

Real Brain Training?

OT: Please get your shift key fixed.

 

[antiloop]

All I can say is that Microsoft is an incredibly smart company and I never fail to be impressed by just how clever they are.

I guess. They know how to earn money at least.

 

[Jacobi]

So when he said that "Without any doubt the biggest revolution we will see in games will be to do with what the player holds and how they control a game", was he lying, or temporarily insane? Or is he only an authority on the creative merit of non-traditional controls when it suits your argument?

That was probably before he had the Wii devkit.

BTW Project Dimitri is a virtual-life-game, it's supposed to simulate your past and present

 

[Steroyd]

Do you really think we'd have something like Home on the way if Xbox Live had never come around?

Yes.

damnit where's that slideshow of Sony's planned online service for PS2 with AOL, that people who hate Sony keep bringing up to show how much they lied about the PS2, it's never there when you need it.

 

[Weisheit]

That was probably before he had the Wii devkit.

BTW Project Dimitri is a virtual-life-game, it's supposed to simulate your past and present

Why the hell would he have a Wii devkit?