Yeah, that's why I watched his video at the beginning of his youtube career.
Those Amnesia videos were amazing.
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PewDiePie responds to talks about how much he makes
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Yeah, that's why I watched his video at the beginning of his youtube career.
Those Amnesia videos were amazing.
Monocle
Member
Here's his Outlast LP. His one-off video for Trials Fusion should give you a general sense of his style when he's playing random games he doesn't stick with. If it's not something scary or frustrating, his stuff can get fairly boring IMO.
My favorite of his playthroughs, which got me to subscribe to his channel, is still Amnesia: The Dark Descent. He was a lot more reserved then, but the reason I like that LP so much is it's like playing a great game with a friend who has really entertaining reactions. He gets way into horror games, so I tend to prefer his horror LPs, and the ones for certain story driven games like The Last of Us and The Walking Dead.
He has a huge number of playlists if you'd like to browse them.
IncognitoPanda
Member
Don't know where you're from, but here in Europe we don't really have the whole "support the troops" type of mentality. I don't think anyone hides the fact that without help from US we'd all be speaking German right now, but supporting the troops isn't inherently good. There's plenty of Afghani citizens who feel the situation has worsened after US's involvement. Soldiers are pawns used to do the bidding of leaders, though that's not to discredit them completely.
Without diving further down this rabbit hole, as its off-topic, touchy and opinions differ, us Scandinavian countries don't really believe in war/revenge/punishment. Hell, our prisons are nicer that most of the worlds apartments. It's just a cultural difference, and here it's not taboo to state your opinion about that. We don't have to be so politically correct.
You are of course allowed to dislike him for his opinion.
Dude is a cheese grater. Cheesy and grating.
But he know's his audience well, as evidenced by his success. So whatevs.
People just have to accept that sometimes, the things we like aren't in the zeitgeist of modern culture, while the things that we don't find especially appealing are.
But he know's his audience well, as evidenced by his success. So whatevs.
People just have to accept that sometimes, the things we like aren't in the zeitgeist of modern culture, while the things that we don't find especially appealing are.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Been following before he got millions of subs.
He hasn't changed one bit from those days and it makes me happy to see that.
He hasn't changed one bit from those days and it makes me happy to see that.
DryEyeRelief
Member
thank you
SlickShoes
Member
Don't like any of his videos but people seem salty with folk like this, almost everyone that is crying about this if you put them on youtube and asked them to find an audience they'd be lucky to get a few viewers for anything they create.
Some people are massively talented and never get any recognition, some people stumble into a career and run with it, this guy made videos of himself doing a schtick and found an audience.
The outrage about how much money he makes is daft and makes no sense, he is probably in the one position where if people didn't like him that simply not watching him would stop his income or the majority of it. People obviously enjoy him, if that number is large then he will make a large amount of money.
Some people are massively talented and never get any recognition, some people stumble into a career and run with it, this guy made videos of himself doing a schtick and found an audience.
The outrage about how much money he makes is daft and makes no sense, he is probably in the one position where if people didn't like him that simply not watching him would stop his income or the majority of it. People obviously enjoy him, if that number is large then he will make a large amount of money.
DryEyeRelief
Member
I don't know about that.
lots of people don't make more than him, whether they do something meaningful or not.
I don't like his videos
He does what he likes and many (milions) of people around the world like him
He plays many indie or obscure video games and because of this, he makes for them basically free marketing
He makes good money from his hobby
So good on him - most people are working in a job they hate or don't have any passion in that and most of them dream about a work they would enjoy and make money from it and he has succeeded in that
I'm jealous of him because of this, but I'm not going to act like a fucking idiot like many other people are right now.. he deserves his money even if he doesn't do things which you like
He does what he likes and many (milions) of people around the world like him
He plays many indie or obscure video games and because of this, he makes for them basically free marketing
He makes good money from his hobby
So good on him - most people are working in a job they hate or don't have any passion in that and most of them dream about a work they would enjoy and make money from it and he has succeeded in that
I'm jealous of him because of this, but I'm not going to act like a fucking idiot like many other people are right now.. he deserves his money even if he doesn't do things which you like
I've watched a few of his videos and don't really care for them aside from the Bulletstorm/Games for Windows Live video which is him trying to play the game and pretty funny, but good for him. He's not the type of Youtuber I enjoy but lots of people do and he deserves to make lots of money for getting all those views.
He makes his money off of advertisers, while putting up hours of free content for people to watch, or not.
I really don't see where the outrage comes from other than blind jealousy. He clearly knows what his audience wants, and isn't the first to realise that an exaggerated persona keeps fans interested, theatre film and music stars have been doing it for decades. People don't have to watch it, but they do. He's not ripping anyone off or getting them to pay for a broken product or anything. Seems like a pretty level-headed chap too.
There are lots of very popular things that don't interest me, I don't have time to sit and rant about how pointless/annoying it all is. The whole point of youtube is that anyone can have a go, maintaining a constant flow of content to satisfy an audience and keep them coming back isn't as easy as some like to make out.
I really don't see where the outrage comes from other than blind jealousy. He clearly knows what his audience wants, and isn't the first to realise that an exaggerated persona keeps fans interested, theatre film and music stars have been doing it for decades. People don't have to watch it, but they do. He's not ripping anyone off or getting them to pay for a broken product or anything. Seems like a pretty level-headed chap too.
There are lots of very popular things that don't interest me, I don't have time to sit and rant about how pointless/annoying it all is. The whole point of youtube is that anyone can have a go, maintaining a constant flow of content to satisfy an audience and keep them coming back isn't as easy as some like to make out.
benicillin
Banned
I think a lot of it could also be attributed to a fundamental misunderstanding about how much work it actually takes to create content, especially at the level PDP does - the Internet at large seems to think that shooting, scripting, editing, etc. are all easy jobs that could be done by anyone and the fact that PDP makes a lot of money doing something so "easy" annoys them. Basically some people think they're entitled to free content but that the people making that free content aren't entitled to be paid for their work in what basically amounts to a full-time job.
I do LPs, podcasts and videos sometimes and people routinely don't understand that it actually is a lot of work, it's not all fun.
JimmyRustler
Member
I don't really watch his videos because I'd rather play the games myself (same reason I don't watch sports) but from the little I've seen he ain't that bad. Good for him for making this much money.
TheGeordie
Banned
Serious question for you Gaffers - let's say a law was magically passed, banning the use of video games in youtube videos so he could no longer use them - would he be as popular?
As a gamedev, it kind of irks me that companies spend 200 million on something which he uses in his video which generates page hits and therefore advertising but the company who made the game don't see any of that.
Genuine question - personally I think these people (however nice they are, not saying he's a bad guy here) are parasitical, using the hard work of others to profit but you guys might see it differently.
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As a gamedev, it kind of irks me that companies spend 200 million on something which he uses in his video which generates page hits and therefore advertising but the company who made the game don't see any of that.
Genuine question - personally I think these people (however nice they are, not saying he's a bad guy here) are parasitical, using the hard work of others to profit but you guys might see it differently.
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AmaterasuOni
Banned
Really annoying guy, but there's no need to hate him for his money. I'm glad there's people like him exploiting the system where almost all money goes to biggest publishers and developers.
I'm glad for him... even though I don't like him at all.
Kudos.
I'm glad for him... even though I don't like him at all.
Kudos.
TheGeordie
Banned
>> where almost all money goes to biggest publishers and developers.
Why shouldn't the money go to the people who make the games?
this has been debated endlessly. Playing games and watching someone play a game is completely different. Most people watch for the personality and to see how they react to the game.
TheGeordie
Banned
Not true - if you play games for the story, as a lot of people do, then the part of the experience you are most interested in is exactly the same.
Sanctuary
Member
No hyperbole at all with this statement, right?
Any game this guy plays sees pretty significant returns just through additional sales. He's one of the largest forms of game advertising you could possibly leverage, to the point where he's been getting paid by publishers just to get their game in some of his videos (one of the latest I remember was Sunset Overdrive).
Lights and Waves
Member
I too cannot stand his videos or see any appeal in what he does, but as long as he made that money fairly, who am I to say that he doesn't deserve it?
The Lamonster
Member
It's cool to see him acting normal.
+1 respect
+1 respect
I don't think I ever saw one of his normal videos, but the couple times I saw him speaking about topics regarding himself, he comes off as a sincerely nice and down to earth guy, so I honestly feel that there are probably a million other people on YouTube who would be much, much worse in his position. It actually makes me feel a bit good that millions of kids worldwide look up to a person who just seems to be a relatively boring, nice guy.
Nothing stops a game developer or publisher from filing a takedown request. Youtube generates more sales anyway, it is fairly obvious based on games like minecraft which get insane amounts of youtube attention and has garnered tons of sales to match. Maybe it is different for single player scripted experiences, but game devs shouldn't be making games like that anyway if they want a commercially successful product.
I know game developers who have paid youtubers to play their product so there must be benefits from the increased attention.
benicillin
Banned
I think it can be argued that PewDiePie is the most popular LP'er around and that LPs and YouTube videos more or less breathed life into the survival horror genre again. He's one of the reasons that Amnesia was as popular as it was, which inspired other people to do horror LPs, which led to more games like Amnesia being made, etc etc. Slender, Outlast, PT, etc are all horror games that were more or less designed and marketed for LPs.
TheGeordie
Banned
ah absolutely - totally agree - and this is all hypothetical anyway I'm just genuinely interested.
How did he get those 37 million followers? Did he really get to be that popular through a charming personality (I've only watched one of his vids and he seems pleasant enough but not 37 million people pleasant) or was it that he was doing playthroughs of freshly released games instead?
I.e. all those games that people didn't want to buy for whatever reason, were they watching him do a play through instead?
Yep. There are tons of Youtube celebs I don't like, but there's not that different from any other entertainer out there, save maybe that the Youtube model means they have to be much more upfront and direct about currying money and likes/views/subscriptions that fuel their revenue.
It's a fair point. I think you can make the valid argument that many of these gamer LPs and such on Youtube qualify as derivative works beyond fair use justifications and that rights holders should get some coin for it. But while it is often wildly overstated as justification, "parasite" isn't a term you can use here—those game makers might not want PewDiePie's attention, but that attention does confer benefits. It's not like their game has been cannibalized totally by him, and they never see any sort of advantage for it.
Both? I mean when it comes down to it, on paper "this young dude doing LPs of games" describes a huge amount of Youtube content, but obviously only a few of them are things like PewDiePie, TDM, AngryJoe, yadda yadda. Games are what made them popular, but their popularity in relation to each other definitely comes down to style and presentation.
I'm really enjoying his current Catherine playthrough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWw3nuuADU&list=PLYH8WvNV1YEl1qOrMKuvS0n4P92jDBLlM
His best videos imo are either his "real life stuff" or when he's playing games he actually likes, instead of random crap just to make jokes.
I was on the hate train too, until I watched some real life stuff from him and Marzia, and actually became a fan. I still can't watch all of his videos, as some are just not for me, but he's a really nice dude.
Firmus_Anguis
Banned
Man, people are bitter. Why give a fuck? He acknowledges the fact that he got lucky. Someone else could have been doing what he's doing. Maybe better, maybe worse. People are jealous and bitter, it's as simple as that. Somehow I've never been bothered by people's good fortune, especially if it's something as harmless as playing and talking about videogames. All this fucking cynicism and hatred... People should grow the fuck up. It's not like all the bitching is going to stop people from watching his videos - Heck, I don't even watch his videos! If you don't like something, don't watch it - Jesus!
Yeah when he doesn't over edits and just plays a game is when he's at his best. His multiplayer stuff is usually really great because he doesn't overact.
TheGeordie
Banned
Yep, agree - I'm not saying it's wrong or not good business to get the most successful youtube celebrities to play your games - apparetly PewDiePie is the reason flappy bird took off because he did a joke video about it - but I'm asking how they got to be so successful and how big a part of that was the games he did playthroughs of?
GrantDaNasty
Member
I don't much care for the guy, but it does irk me how bothered people are by him existing and making paper off of what he does.
Just don't fucking tune in then, and if the people around you are that obnoxious about keeping thing x,y or z in the zeitgeist, then maybe reconsider your social circles.
TL;DR - PewDiePie do what PewDiePie do. No bones about it.
Just don't fucking tune in then, and if the people around you are that obnoxious about keeping thing x,y or z in the zeitgeist, then maybe reconsider your social circles.
TL;DR - PewDiePie do what PewDiePie do. No bones about it.
It doesn't matter actually.. the same could be said about youtubers who show off the newest tech gadget or cosmetic products. If anything, his endorsement generates more sales.
I could buy the same products and make my own youtube channel: None of the products he has are limited to him.
There are exceptions, though, of course. And from both sides.
I enjoyed his Hatred video a lot, with all the editing and stupid jokes and songs, but in the other hand, the "This is not a game" video was somewhat ruined by him trying to be more interesting than the actual experience (that actually seems to be pretty damn interesting).
Hate is such a strong word towards someone you can or cannot watch in youtube.
This.
I don't like the stuff he makes, or the character he pulls off. Whenever he does that Pewdiepie stuff, I just cringe. That said, he entertains millions of people with his content. And he makes money doing so. Fine by me. Whether he makes 1, 3, 10 or 20 million, I really don't care. It's not me paying him, and it is not going to be my money if he doesn't get it.
Besides, there's some real scumbags out there who make a ton of money by ripping others off or exploiting people. I can't get mad or jealous at someone who makes content to entertain people.
Sanctuary
Member
Right. As though the developers would have never tried making these games if not for the new "Annoying Fred".
Delicious Waffles
Member
I don't know who he is. I've heard the name, mainly because he was on South Park that one time.
However, if he's making a good living off whatever he produces, good for him.
However, if he's making a good living off whatever he produces, good for him.
benicillin
Banned
It would be a fair argument to say they wouldn't. The market for survival horror games has been small for a very, very long time, especially ones that are more focused on actual horror than action. Games like Amnesia got big because of LPs and word-of-mouth, not because they have broad market appeal.
Like he said. Weird when he raises 1 mil for charity it gets some attention but when its about what he makes every site makes a article. Something really wrong there and its like there always a hunt for blood towards these guys.
He does what he likes. Alot of people seem to like it and watch it. Win win and he became a millionaire.
He does what he likes. Alot of people seem to like it and watch it. Win win and he became a millionaire.
Yeah, about the horror thing, I think it's pretty safe to say that Amnesia and Slender are pretty much the reason the genre came back as strongly as it did, and some can give them credit for stuff like P.T. even existing.
If we can also say that a considerable part of Amnesia and Slender's success was all of the youtubers playing them, then it's fair to give them some credit to that.
If we can also say that a considerable part of Amnesia and Slender's success was all of the youtubers playing them, then it's fair to give them some credit to that.
TheGeordie
Banned
RE: revenue generation for devs / pubs...
For every major game that he's covered and generated sales for, there's other games that people haven't bought but still got the majority of the experience for free by watching his videos. Is that fair to the devs / pubs who made those games? Don't you think they should at least be partially compensated by getting a share of the advertising revenue?
Again, genuine interest...
For every major game that he's covered and generated sales for, there's other games that people haven't bought but still got the majority of the experience for free by watching his videos. Is that fair to the devs / pubs who made those games? Don't you think they should at least be partially compensated by getting a share of the advertising revenue?
Again, genuine interest...
The man is smart, and knows his audience very well. You can't be mad at that. Let's face it, people that are mad at him could have easily done the same thing before him and be in his position now but they didn't.
Personally I just hate the character and I find it extremely annoying but I'm not part of his demographic and that's fine. People just need to move on and stop worrying about something that has no effect on them.
Personally I just hate the character and I find it extremely annoying but I'm not part of his demographic and that's fine. People just need to move on and stop worrying about something that has no effect on them.
Frustrated_Grunt
Member
That's a good point. I never thought of the impact LP guys like him had on that genre.
Phrozenflame500
Member
Money isn't fair and success isn't guaranteed just because you work hard. Dude's filling a demand and I don't blame him personally for doing that, even if I'm not into his videos personally.