PdotMichael
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What's the joke? That there are people who thought they could sell a game with such shitty assets or that there are idiots who buy such games?
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Phil Harrison responds to eSRAM sze, "Clearly not the case, look at Forza 5"
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What's the joke? That there are people who thought they could sell a game with such shitty assets or that there are idiots who buy such games?
justsomeguy
Member
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I just read his blog entry and I'm ... speechless. Wow. I actually feel sorry for him.
phosphor112
Banned
The comments are worse.
Anyway, Phil isn't lying, it's just a really piss poor answer.
PanicFreak
Member
You leave Powerstar Golf out of this! It's an awesome game. LOL
Obviously we go round and round and obviously the ps4 is more powerful (and I'm damn happy I got one), what I can't figure out for the life of me though is why my copy of F5 doesn't look like half of what is posted on the right?Surely doesn't have crowd pop-in like that and the prague buildings look nothing like that blury mess.
RedNumberFive
Banned
It has to be some sort of performance art. Right?
Windom Earle
Member
Full HD GAF is best GAF.
Fnord
Member
I'm not sure the car models in Forza will ever reach the insane levels of detail as the car models in Gran Turismo. Polyphony are obsessive about such things. Turn 10 wants good looking models, but doesn't have that (pardon the pun) drive. IIRC, T10 outsources their car models (at least some of them). I doubt we'll ever see individual screws modeled in a Forza, for instance. It's Kaz's genius and his curse.
Full HD isn t exactly a new feature. Welcome to PC gaming circa 2004.Full HD GAF is best GAF.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
OMG, are people still complaining about this dudes comments. ha ha... Wow.
Windom Earle
Member
Are you saying it's become a working man's resolution?
You have not really researched, have you.
PdotMichael
Banned
I don't believe that there were many 1920 x 1080p computer displays back in 2004.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Speaking of Forza 5...
The word is 128mb esram, unlocked later this year
lmao! almost laughed out loud in class.
It really is like a cult.
Oh my god. You really can't make this stuff up. How delusional must some people be?
This comment is as useless as Kojima's comment regarding resolution. People can make all the claims they want but it's all pointless without any context. Forza 5 looks great, but we all know the performance profile of one game doesn't translate to all games.
Hopefully in a couple years this focus on resolution will simmer down so they can focus on software. They aren't going to win, or even keep up, in the performance race. So they should quit trying and concentrate on producing attractive software to make up for the difference. People loved the ps2 because of the software library regardless of it being much weaker than the Xbox. That is the best route they can take IMO.
Hopefully in a couple years this focus on resolution will simmer down so they can focus on software. They aren't going to win, or even keep up, in the performance race. So they should quit trying and concentrate on producing attractive software to make up for the difference. People loved the ps2 because of the software library regardless of it being much weaker than the Xbox. That is the best route they can take IMO.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
why do you feel sorry for him? Dude is a jackass with an unhealthy hate for Neogaf(really any website that says anything positive about Sony and the ps4) and Sony to the point that he is making shit up and has some severely ignorant people to eat up every word he says, both his and his made up insider.
Dude is a pathetic.
AstroNut325
Member
Yeah. I think they were mostly the 4:3 variants of the 1080p resolution or higher.
phosphor112
Banned
The whole GT vs Forza thing needs to be kept out of this thread. There is a thread for that. As for responding directly to you, both companies scan their cars. But their workflows aren't the same. Turn 10 produces more cars, PD produces more accurate cars. Honestly, I'd take the former, but I just wanted to point out that the poster you quoted is correct.
i used to believe that he and his "insider" were one and the same..BUT...
...ive almost started believing that he (misterX) is just a desperate fanboy (like the readers/commenters of his blog) that has been duped by someone posing as an "insider." They are so desperate to believe that the Xbone is more powerful that they buy everything said "insider" says
rokkerkory
Member
I stopped listening to this guy after E3 2005... he does same PR lip service over and over.
biggersmaller
Banned
This Forza 5?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-23-digital-foundry-vs-forza-motorsport-5
Or this Forza 5?
Nothing good can come of statements like this. They just need to shut the hell up about stuff like this and not even respond to these things. It only makes them look bad. Just ignore it, put out your games. If you have compelling games people might still buy your system, but don't get into a fight you can't win.
This is damning. I was at the taping for that show and was very impressed with the look of the game. I had no interest in sim racers, but thought it was a great showcase for the Xbone. Forward to last week at the Microsoft store...I couldn't put my finger on why I was less impressed. Now it makes sense.
phosphor112
Banned
I used to play my CS 1.6 at ungodly resolutions. It's not consoles that made resolutions drop. It's the switch to digital panels and the switch to deferred rendering.
Full HD GAF is best GAF.
Haha. Oh my, this might continue....
I stumble onto their page some how. I've never read such delusional stuff. It really felt like a brain washed cult... It was scary!
PdotMichael
Banned
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
1280x1024 was the common resolution for gamers in 2004.
Where does it say those statistics are for gaming?
eso76
Member
This is always the case.
But have you guys even taken a look at the tweet PH was responding to ?
"recent interview with Rebellion Games states esram on xbox one too small for 1080p output"
to which PH simply replies
"there are games running in 1080 60p, so that's not the case"
Now, there's A LOT more on the 1080p matter, but as a reply to that tweet, PH message is perfectly reasonable and there really is nothing to argue about.
If anything i don't know what YOUR point was about the downgrade. Yes, the game looks worse than it did when it was first revealed, but that doesn't make it a bad looking game per se at all, doesn't make PH's a bad example.
And my point was the demo wasn't running on a different or more powerful hardware; it was less demanding in a number of ways: graphics were downgraded because other things had to "receive an upgrade" in the final game, not because the hardware was downgraded.
Now, this doesn't make a huge difference because what this means is T10 did expect the hardware to perform better; they expected the xbone to still be able to push those graphics with a full grid and the new physics engine in place which was obviously not the case.
This might be T10's misjudgement or Microsoft's mistake with the OS using more resources than devs were lead to believe, but I don't think anyone was trying to mislead us *with that particular demo* (reveal trailers on the other hand...).
Guys at T10 might not be in the position to come out and tell anyone but i've followed F5 development very closely and at some point that game obviously was in development hell; a lot of things were being redone and i was totally expecting it to get either delayed or downgraded; i'm sure the guys at T10 had to rebuild a lot of the assets and rethink a lot of things when they realized the console (or their current engine) didn't quite match their expectations.
So..what was my point again ? Ahh, yes. You said look at what corners had to be cut for F5 to run in 1080p, what i'm saying that demo WAS running on genuine xbone (not microsoft claim, it's digital foundry guys who investigated) and still could. Just with not enough resources left for a full grid.
Not trying to defend the game or the console, mind you. In fact the xbone is the only console in history i bought at launch and sold after less than 2 months.
I bought the xbone for F5 alone and it was a huge letdown in many ways, while the console itself is the huge design mistake it always looked like.
Appears to me it might be a mental disorder, similar to how and what "hardcore" conspiracy theorists argue.
There's nothing wrong with not believing everything and asking question if you've doubts on certain aspects but if you're as hung up on those things (despite clear evidence to the contrary) as these people including misterxmedia, then there's something wrong mentally, I'd say.
This is what I'd classify as a fanboy:
misterxmedia is something else entirely, just with how much detail and attention he constructs this image in his mind that the XB1 is the stronger console. But I'll stop derailing the thread, sorry.
Saint Gregory
Member
I'm still really confused about what the explanation is for such a significant downgrade in roughly 4-5 months of development time. It's not like they weren't aware of what the final hardware would be capable of handling by that time.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
They actually may not have been. Rumors were tools were pretty late, ditto for final SDK. What we saw at E3 was probably running off higher target specs then what they got int the end. To hit their promise of 1080p60, they had to downscale a bit.
I suspect they will get a lot better visuals out of their next game, given more time to optimize and better tools. I don't think it will ever catch the ps4's peak though.
I really hope not. It's the same demographic that continues to enable franchises like Killzone to get worse, because all the dev has to do is flaunt something that will look good in screenshots and GIFs to get people to create hype for them and sell a million copies easy. It makes this place really hard to stomach at times, seems like Gamefaqs more and more.
It was better here when it was mostly the finer points of the gameplay being debated. That's the kind of input a dev can use to make their game truly better, and these days those kinds of threads get buried fast by useless list wars and graphics comparisons.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Appears to me it might be a mental disorder, similar to how and what "hardcore" conspiracy theorists argue.
There's nothing wrong with not believing everything and asking question if you've doubts on certain aspects but if you're as hung up on those things (despite clear evidence to the contrary) as these people including misterxmedia, then there's something wrong mentally, I'd say.
This is what I'd classify as a fanboy:
misterxmedia is something else entirely, just with how much detail and attention he constructs this image in his mind that the XB1 is the stronger console. But I'll stop derailing the thread, sorry.
The hilarious thing is that there is always an excuse or cop-out ready to keep the cultists of that blog coming back.
A head of the titanfall news this week, they posted that titanfall was not "using the stereo drivers" lol to cop-out of titanfall not running at 1080p.
any who back on topic haha.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
It's actually pretty funny looking back a few months how the PS4 had a latency "problem".
phosphor112
Banned
Thuway told me (and later, everyone else on the forum) that MS was using a GPU in the dev kit that was significantly more powerful than the final one, while Sony was doing the exact opposite. Seems like there is truth to that.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
So nobody answered my question a few pages back.
Would it have been more logical to go with a split memory pool between ddr3 and gddr5 like a pc than using esram?
Would it have been more logical to go with a split memory pool between ddr3 and gddr5 like a pc than using esram?
Saint Gregory
Member
They would have been better off keeping the eye candy and dropping to 30fps. I generally never say that and I love 60fps racers but Horizon did a really good job of distracting me from the fact that it was running at half the framerate. I haven't played Forza 5 but none of the media I've seen for it since it was released has been impressive to me.
I'm hoping that's because plans for the GPU changed after the dev kits went out because the alternative option is just too crazy for words. It would imply that MS thinks that we don't have eyes.
PdotMichael
Banned
Common sense.
If only 10% of the visitors do have a higher resolution than 1024x768 than I wouldn't say that 1080p and better was common in 2004. Or we define PC gamers as master race who invest alot of money into PC hardware.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
1920 x 1080 32.51%
1366 x 768 23.87%
Are the two most common resolution of Steam users today. And the percentage of 1280 x 1024 users is still higher than all >1080p users together.
GHG
Gold Member
Actually 1650 x 1050 was a more common gamer resolution back then.
Ryoohki360
Neo Member
Yes, I'am the 1440p ONE! Thanks cheap overclocking Korean display ! LOLZ!. Will be good until the 4k/60hz are actually 'cheap' enought (TN version)
! LOLZ!. Will be good until the 4k/60hz are actually 'cheap' enought (TN version)
Begaria
Member
Speaking of Forza 5...
The word is 128mb esram, unlocked later this year
I just read through today's post. Loved it! I cannot believe they honestly think that the Xbox One has some kind of dual layer magic mumbo jumbo that has 128 MB of eSRAM, on top of still believing this second layer has the mystical dGPU. It's so bizarre to read and yet I cannot help myself. It's so good. Everyone here HAS to read misterxmedia. It's simply magical to behold.
lol
I think your wrong in that this is ALWAYS the case regarding new consoles. When consoles first launch, specs, hardware, graphical differences, are always contested hotly, and in the future, multiplatforms are always going to be known/posted which version performs better just like Red Dead Redemption last gen on 360/PS3. MS is getting a lot flak rightfully so for the terrible hardware decisions they made. It looks like they were just responding to Sony's earlier dev kits of 4gb DDR3, instead of leading the way on their own with better hardware for everyone.
Of course, gameplay and game discussion will continue.
Fahrenheit
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How about instead of talking about Froza 5s graphics lets talk about the horrible microtransactions that game has
Just started, it's like some sort of train wreck. Horrendous to look at, but you just cannot avert your gaze.
Think I originally stumbled upon it while researching tiled resources. The way what I read then and the blog that I have just read makes me believe the two are one and the same.
Pound_lb003
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Hey guys... I only have a 720p TV
Can I still be involved in the conversation?
Can I still be involved in the conversation?
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